Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#12

[otto]

What was on the bottom and top windows in Nov 2007? Difficult to view in the pics available, but I'm sure without the fitted bars, there is no way to navigate your way up the wall.

There were no security bars on Filomina's bedroom window in 2007, but the climber is unable to get to the window ledge without using those security bars. The bottom line is that today, a climbing enthusiast can climb onto the window ledge. In 2007, a climbing enthusiast could not have climbed onto the window ledge.

 

[SMK]

The reason that uninterrupted footage of the athlete climbing from the ground to the window ledge, without using the newly installed bars, is not available is because it's not possible, even for a professional climber, or climbing enthusiast, to climb to the window without using the security bars. If it were possible, there would be actual, unedited footage. It's another smoke screen intended to mislead people.

True. Also, let's just presuppose Guede as a lone wolf: In the dark, would it be obvious to him that the lower window would be a good way to climb up; enough so that he would throw a rock and choose that way in? Obviously, Ricardo had done this prior to the filming of it. He had a chance to familiarize himself, practice a bit, and it was broad daylight to boot.

 

[otto]

Now that Dr Mignini has been acquitted of all the allegations from disgruntled participants in the Monster of Florence case, I suppose he has to be viewed as a good prosecutor that was doing his job as a prosecutor in the Meredith Kercher murder trial ... or does Knox have a new reason to slander, or complain about, the prosecutor?

 

[otto]

True. Also, let's just presuppose Guede as a lone wolf: In the dark, would it be obvious to him that the lower window would be a good way to climb up; enough so that he would throw a rock and choose that way in? Obviously, Ricardo had done this prior to the filming of it. He had a chance to familiarize himself, practice a bit, and it was broad daylight to boot.

To get to the downstairs flat, Guede would have taken the stairs, as that is the normal route to visit friends at the downstairs flat. To get to the stairs, he would walk past the cottage (along the wall with laundry and large bathroom), around the corner past Laura's bedroom, down the stairs, around the corner, past the downstairs entrance, around the building past Meredith and Knox's windows to beneath Filomina's bedroom window. Then, in the complete dark and rain, he supposedly scaled the wet, stone wall, leaving not a trace of evidence beneath the window as he entered a window without disturbing the broken glass.

To get to the window, he would have walked past the downstairs door, which had a security grate on it in 2007. That grate would be easy to use as a ladder to access the patio of the upstairs flat. If Guede wanted to be spiderman that night, it would have been much easier to be spiderman climbing the door grate to the patio than scaling a shear, wet wall in the dark and climb through a broken window.

 

[quesarita]

So conceivably, back then you could use hands and feet on the lower window (as Ricardo does in the youtube), but what about the top one?

I can't speak to edits in the footage, but what I see is that he can reach the upper window sill whole standing on the SILL of the lower window, so its not a great distance from the lower window to the upper. When he's operating the shutters etc. of the upper window he is standing on the projecting stone lintel above the lower window. It doesn't look like a large projection but it's clearly enough for him to have footing.

 

[SMK]

Now that Dr Mignini has been acquitted of all the allegations from disgruntled participants in the Monster of Florence case, I suppose he has to be viewed as a good prosecutor that was doing his job as a prosecutor in the Meredith Kercher murder trial ... or does Knox have a new reason to slander, or complain about, the prosecutor?

I guess its only fair to let his acquittal exonerate him, as hers did her.

 

[otto]

I can't speak to edits in the footage, but what I see is that he can reach the upper window sill whole standing on the SILL of the lower window, so its not a great distance from the lower window to the upper. When he's operating the shutters etc. of the upper window he is standing on the projecting stone lintel above the lower window. It doesn't look like a large projection but it's clearly enough for him to have footing.

You might have to watch the footage several times to see the problems. On the surface, it looks like he scaled the wall without any problems and without the need to use the security bars, but is there an uninterrupted sequence (the camera stays on him the entire time) where he is standing on the ground and climbs to the window without touching the security bars? If so, please post the times for that sequence. That is the only question that is supposedly being answered: whether it was possible in 2007 to scale the wall given the 2007 conditions.

 

[quesarita]

You might have to watch the footage several times to see the problems. On the surface, it looks like he scaled the wall without any problems and without the need to use the security bars, but is there an uninterrupted sequence (the camera stays on him the entire time) where he is standing on the ground and climbs to the window without touching the security bars? If so, please post the times for that sequence. That is the only question that is supposedly being answered: whether it was possible in 2007 to scale the wall given the 2007 conditions.

I see him using the bars on the lower window to get to the point where his feet are on the lower sill, but I've read that the lower windows had bars in 2007.

At first it looked to me like he grabbed the side of the window frame to pull himself up to the upper window, not the bars that were NOT there in 2007, but it's hard to tell for sure. Because of the moderate distances involved, I do believe he could have pulled himself up using the window frame and ledge, had the bars NOT been there.

 

[SMK]

I see him using the bars on the lower window to get to the point where his feet are on the lower sill, but I've read that the lower windows had bars in 2007.

At first it looked to me like he grabbed the side of the window frame to pull himself up to the upper window, not the bars that were NOT there in 2007, but it's hard to tell for sure. Because of the moderate distances involved, I do believe he could have pulled himself up using the window frame and ledge, had the bars NOT been there.

I still feel that after he grabs the ledge, the camera spans away as he most definitely makes use of the bars. Had they been able to film him NOT making use of the bars, I'm sure they would have.

 

[quesarita]

I still feel that after he grabs the ledge, the camera spans away as he most definitely makes use of the bars. Had they been able to film him NOT making use of the bars, I'm sure they would have.

Possibly. My point is that with the bars in place, parts of the window frame and ledge that would have been available for grabbing are not.

 

[otto]

I see him using the bars on the lower window to get to the point where his feet are on the lower sill, but I've read that the lower windows had bars in 2007.

At first it looked to me like he grabbed the side of the window frame to pull himself up to the upper window, not the bars that were NOT there in 2007, but it's hard to tell for sure. Because of the moderate distances involved, I do believe he could have pulled himself up using the window frame and ledge, had the bars NOT been there.

We can believe whatever we want, but there is no uninterrupted footage of him climbing onto the window ledge without using the bars to pull himself up to the window ledge.

 

[SMK]

Possibly. My point is that with the bars in place, parts of the window frame and ledge that would have been available for grabbing are not.

I looked and do not think the bar grate effects the ledge or frame at all.

 

[Katody]

So, Mignini escaped justice on technicality.

Journalists and officials observing the impunity with which he is operating will be extra careful not to cross him or criticize. Who would like to be his next victim?

 

[Katody]

I must say the idea that British TV crew fabricated/faked the climb video, the TV station OK'd and paid for it, the two lawyers who took part were also OK with it, and the Perugian doctor actively took part in the manipulation is... simply nuts IMO.

 

[SMK]

I must say the idea that British TV crew fabricated/faked the climb video, the TV station OK'd and paid for it, the two lawyers who took part were also OK with it, and the Perugian doctor actively took part in the manipulation is... simply nuts IMO.

No one said it was an out and out fabrication or fake. Absolutely they span the camera away when he is grabbing the upper bars. It is nuts to deny this, as it's there. It is a subtle manipulation - had they been able to avoid it, they would have.

 

[Katody]

No one said it was an out and out fabrication or fake. Absolutely they span the camera away when he is grabbing the upper bars. It is nuts to deny this, as it's there. It is a subtle manipulation - had they been able to avoid it, they would have.

Subtle manipulation is still manipulation and fake. The doctor who said it can be done easily either lied or told the truth. I remain at my opinion.


BTW video edits are routinely done to fit the material into the 30 or so minutes of the show, not to "subtly" manipulate.

 

[SMK]

Subtle manipulation is still manipulation and fake. The doctor who said it can be done easily either lied or told the truth. I remain at my opinion.

So they did NOT span the camera to distant when he grabbed the bars?

 

[SMK]

So, Mignini escaped justice on technicality.

Journalists and officials observing the impunity with which he is operating will be extra careful not to cross him or criticize. Who would like to be his next victim?

What technicality? The main accusations had not run out on their statutes yet.

 

[Katody]

What technicality? The main accusations had not run out on their statutes yet.

I heard they did.

 

[Katody]

So they did NOT span the camera to distant when he grabbed the bars?

I have no idea what you mean by that. IMO there was no manipulation and the climb Guede did was demonstrated to be easy. The Perugian doctor who demonstrated it and said it's easy for basically anyone didn't lie.