Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#12

[SMK]

This is especially true for one part of his story: he insists Meredith let him in to the apartment. Why not say Amanda let him in? He could say they all went in together, or she gave him a key so he could get a drink or use the bathroom. Why say Meredith let him in? Then he has to invent a situation where Amanda rings the doorbell instead of using her key?

So, in the guilty scenarios, does anyone really believe Meredith let Rudy into the house herself?

When I look from a perspective of the defendants being involved, I feel Guede was given access to the cottage.

The only possible way I can imagine Meredith letting him in, is if he himself rang the doorbell, said he was looking for the guys downstairs, she told him they were away, and he asked politely to use the bathroom - Under these conditions, I think she may have HESITANTLY let him in, but I still doubt he came in that way.

I've often wondered in his "date with Meredith" story, if it was Amanda who actually "smiled, said, 'have you been waiting long?', got out her keys, and shouted, 'anyone home?'" and not Meredith as he says it was.

 

[quesarita]

When I look from a perspective of the defendants being involved, I feel Guede was given access to the cottage.

The only possible way I can imagine Meredith letting him in, is if he himself rang the doorbell, said he was looking for the guys downstairs, she told him they were away, and he asked politely to use the bathroom - Under these conditions, I think she may have HESITANTLY let him in, but I still doubt he came in that way.

So do I, so why wouldn't he have some story like that about Amanda letting him in? If she gave him access to the cottage then he's telling a truth, and it doesn't require him to make up any stories about her involvement or non-involvement in the murder.

 

[SMK]

So do I, so why wouldn't he have some story like that about Amanda letting him in? If she gave him access to the cottage then he's telling a truth, and it doesn't require him to make up any stories about her involvement or non-involvement in the murder.

Either she really did not give him access, and has no involvement, OR she did,

but to admit that would be to admit he was in on an illegal plan.

In his story which he has stuck to all these years, he had a date, never harmed her, someone else did, and he was a coward and ran, and never called 112 as he didn't have a phone on him and felt he would be blamed anyway (he is pure innocence in his story, just a coward).

 

[Katody]

I've often wondered in his "date with Meredith" story, if it was Amanda who actually "smiled, said, 'have you been waiting long?', got out her keys, and shouted, 'anyone home?'" and not Meredith as he says it was.

I can see Meredith saying "anyone home" when she unlocked the door coming into the house she thought was empty.

 

[quesarita]

Either she really did not give him access, and has no involvement, OR she did,

but to admit that would be to admit he was in on an illegal plan.

In his story which he has stuck to all these years, he had a date, never harmed her, someone else did, and he was a coward and ran, and never called 112 as he didn't have a phone on him and felt he would be blamed anyway (he is pure innocence in his story, just a coward).

I understand, but none of that would be contradicted by saying Amanda let him in (along with herself) or gave him access earlier. He could have still gotten friendly with Meredith, gone to the toilet etc. There's really no connection between Amanda letting him in and some illegal plan. He'd been let into the apartment downstairs before, and other men's and women's apartments in Perugia while he lived there.

 

[Katody]

Either she really did not give him access, and has no involvement, OR she did,

but to admit that would be to admit he was in on an illegal plan.

I think it would make more sense for him to incorporate the true elements, if they were really true, instead of making up weak lies. For example, Amanda invited me and Raffaele, I went to the loo and in the meantime they had an argument and killed Meredith.

 

[SMK]

I can see Meredith saying "anyone home" when she unlocked the door coming into the house she thought was empty.

Yes, so can I.

 

[otto]

The hooks are between your body and the bra. If he stuck his finger between the bra and her body he would touch the hook before any material.

He may have even thought if he grabbed the hook it would unclasp without cutting it. It just wouldn't pass through the eye at the angle it was bent I guess.

Guede's DNA was only on the cuff of Meredith's sweatshirt, but if he alone is responsible for the murder it should be all over the sweatshirt ... if one were to expect an abundance of DNA on clothing when it is touched. However, I don't think one should expect an abundance of DNA on clothing when it is touched. I think investigators are lucky if they find DNA.

 

[SMK]

I understand, but none of that would be contradicted by saying Amanda let him in (along with herself) or gave him access earlier. He could have still gotten friendly with Meredith, gone to the toilet etc. There's really no connection between Amanda letting him in and some illegal plan. He'd been let into the apartment downstairs before, and other men's and women's apartments in Perugia while he lived there.

I guess that's true. Unless he wanted to stick with this "date with Meredith" story (not believable to those who knew her character and that she was seeing Giacomo) to explain his dna inside her. He is shrewd and without conscience, for sure. If he wanted people to believe (due to the dna) that he had a date with Meredith, perhaps Amanda letting him in would to wait for her might still raise questions.

 

[Katody]

Guede's DNA was only on the cuff of Meredith's sweatshirt, but if he alone is responsible for the murder it should be all over the sweatshirt ... if one were to expect an abundance of DNA on clothing when it is touched. However, I don't think one should expect an abundance of DNA on clothing when it is touched. I think investigators are lucky if they find DNA.

Let's not forget Guede's DNA was on the torn bra.

 

[otto]

Yes, so can I.

Filomina's bedroom window is in clear view of anyone walking towards the cottage. If lights were on, the broken window should have been obvious. We know that someone like Knox would probably enter the cottage under those circumstances and have a shower without locking the front door, but would Meredith also demonstrate that kind of foolishness? I think most people would stop dead in their tracks and phone Filomina to see if she is all right.

 

[Katody]

Filomina's bedroom window is in clear view of anyone walking towards the cottage. If lights were on, the broken window should have been obvious.

Not if Guede pulled the shutters in, or pulled in Filomena's door leaving her room dark.

 

[SMK]

I think it would make more sense for him to incorporate the true elements, if they were really true, instead of making up weak lies. For example, Amanda invited me and Raffaele, I went to the loo and in the meantime they had an argument and killed Meredith.

Well, this would be true, if police really accepted these stories. We can see with Amanda's Patrick story that Mignini would not let go of the fact that she "had placed herself at the scene.". So in your story above, Guede would be told, "Well, now you placed yourself at the scene; we believe you also were in on the killing. You never called 112, etc." ------- I have watched true crime docu-shows on American tv, and I am often shocked at how the "bystander" gets charged along with the murderer. (an example: A woman was going through a messy divorce and killed her husband. She had a male coworker help her move the body (he admitted this to police). They charged him with first-degree murder alongside her. They obviously didn't buy his story. I was stunned. )

 

[SMK]

Filomina's bedroom window is in clear view of anyone walking towards the cottage. If lights were on, the broken window should have been obvious. We know that someone like Knox would probably enter the cottage under those circumstances and have a shower without locking the front door, but would Meredith also demonstrate that kind of foolishness? I think most people would stop dead in their tracks and phone Filomina to see if she is all right.

Well, I meant if Rudy was sitting there in the bathroom, Filomena's room door closed or no lights on (I doubt he would have fumbled for a light in Fs room ). He is on the toilet and he hears, "Hi, anyone home?". I don't have the cottage layout very clearly in my mind. I picture her at one end of the cottage coming in, him at the other in the bath.

 

[quesarita]

Not if Guede pulled the shutters in, or pulled in Filomena's door leaving her room dark.

And if some other light were left on (not in Filomena's room) it would be logical for Meredith to call out, "Anyone home?" on walking in. I know some people feel she would have also freaked out and started looking through the apartment to see if anyone was there, but if I had 3 room mates I would assume one of them had come in during the evening and was either there or had left a light on and left. I doubt I would do more than call out and then forget it.

 

[quesarita]

Well, I meant if Rudy was sitting there in the bathroom, Filomena's room door closed or no lights on (I doubt he would have fumbled for a light in Fs room ). He is on the toilet and he hears, "Hi, anyone home?". I don't have the cottage layout very clearly in my mind. I picture her at one end of the cottage coming in, him at the other in the bath.

Exactly. There's a small vestibule around the front door that blocks the view of most of the cottage. There would be time for someone in the bathroom to hear the unlocking of the door, and turn off the light in the bathroom and/or shut the door.

 

[aa9511]

This is especially true for one part of his story: he insists Meredith let him in to the apartment. Why not say Amanda let him in? He could say they all went in together, or she gave him a key so he could get a drink or use the bathroom. Why say Meredith let him in? Then he has to invent a situation where Amanda rings the doorbell instead of using her key?

So, in the guilty scenarios, does anyone really believe Meredith let Rudy into the house herself?

Yes, Quesarita, exactly....why not?? Why didn't he say Amanda let him in? Why didn't he say they all went in together? Why didn't he mention Amanda and Raffaele more? I don't understand. It doesn't make sense to me, just like I guess in the guilt scenario, it doesn't make sense to you guys.

When he was first arrested, I mean, he already knew Amanda and RS had been arrested too. He could have used them in his story in order to take the blame off of himself - he could have used them to his benefit - if they were innocent. That is exactly my point. They would not be able to say anything to refute him. The only thing which could maybe refute him was the evidence, ok, that's true, but everything he said was refuted by the evidence anyway! It's not like he told the truth.

I just find it odd that he deliberately leaves Amanda and RS out of the picture, when they were already placed "in" the picture by the investigators (in innocent scenario). It's not like he would just be naming those two out of the blue and all by himself. They were already placed there, available for him to use in his stories.

 

[aa9511]

So do I, so why wouldn't he have some story like that about Amanda letting him in? If she gave him access to the cottage then he's telling a truth, and it doesn't require him to make up any stories about her involvement or non-involvement in the murder.

Yes, why didn't he? Why did he deliberately choose to leave Amanda and RS out of the picture, in the innocent scenario. When they were already placed in the scene by the investigators, according to the innocent scenario, the investigators already did all the work for him.

 

[aa9511]

I understand, but none of that would be contradicted by saying Amanda let him in (along with herself) or gave him access earlier. He could have still gotten friendly with Meredith, gone to the toilet etc. There's really no connection between Amanda letting him in and some illegal plan. He'd been let into the apartment downstairs before, and other men's and women's apartments in Perugia while he lived there.

Bingo, Quesarita, Bingo. There was only positive for him in including that information about Amanda, if she was innocent and he was innocent. They are both guilty, IMO that is why he didn't say what would have been very convenient for him to say. The only way he could get away with saying that is if he was innocent and only Amanda was guilty. Because then she would not have anything on him. In this case, both are guilty. MOO. So if he had talked about her, she could have possibly turned around and said, "oh no no no, wait a sec. You weren't in the bathroom during the murder. Remember? You were holding the knife and stabbing Meredith along with us."

 

[aa9511]

I think it would make more sense for him to incorporate the true elements, if they were really true, instead of making up weak lies. For example, Amanda invited me and Raffaele, I went to the loo and in the meantime they had an argument and killed Meredith.

But the problem with that is, that he didn't really wait in the loo while they had an argument and killed Meredith. That is a lie, and the problem is - that two other people know it's a lie. And if he had said that, they would have turned around and exposed his lies.