Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#13

[sherlockh]

the US court that adjudicated Brenk vs. Arkansas, 1993, as referred to earlier, would disagree, as do many forensic and scientific journals/websites that can be found online.

Luminol testing is now universally accepted. Objections to accept Luminol testing as evidence (including references to Brenk vs Arkansas, 1993) were rejected in a case in Illinois for example. It is up to the judge and jury to weigh the evidence.

In sum, luminol testing is not novel and is universally accepted as a presumptive test for blood. In addition, defense counsel fully explored the limitations of the test and Rini was not allowed to opine whether blood was actually present on the items that tested positively in defendant's home. Thus, the evidence regarding luminol testing was admissible under Frye and the trial court properly denied defendant's request for a Frye hearing.

http://www.state.il.us/court/opinions/appellatecourt/2006/2nddistrict/june/html/2031177.htm

 

[Linda7NJ]

I understand. For me, accident is easier to understand. I can actually see something like that really happening. And then the actions made afterwares (overkill, staging of body and scene) were done out of desperation.



It also would account for their actions over the years (strongly insistening on their innocence).



It would also account for why none 3 ever talked about each other (Rudy cannot talk because he did the overkill b/c Amanda and RS couldn't bring themselves to do it, and Amanda and RS can't talk b/c they did all of the cover-up and staging, tampering with evidence, and the accidental wound, plus the whole prank idea which led to it all).



It explains everything for me.

It doesn't explain Amanda's complete and total detachment for me. I don't see desperation from her. I view her more the Jodi Arias type...self absorbed narcissist.


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[Linda7NJ]

Why would they need to stage the rape if the rape was real? If Rudy raped her, then rape really happened. Then why the need to stage it.



I don't believe any rape actually happened. JMO.

Ya know...I actually have a nagging inkling that Rudy was truthful.


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[MichaelSmith]

http://projects.nfstc.org/bsw/presentations/02_BioScreening_Blood_012010_CBS_JMS.pdf

http://projects.nfstc.org/bsw/

10-6 would be 10 to the power of negative 6, which is 1:1,000,000 or 0.000010

10-8 would be 10 to the power of negative 8, which is 1:100,000,000 or 0.00000010

Which scientific study says luminol used at crime scenes has 1:100 000 000 senstivity?

 

[aa9511]

Just search for the word 'imagine'. I can't quote, but the testimony is all about imagining and she even imagines what the police was imagining. I can't imagine any objective person would think Knox is telling the truth here. JMO.
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Amanda_Knox's_Testimony

To me everything she says is about covering bases. She puts it in a "fuzzy," grey area, so that if it works out for her favor, she can accept it, and if it doesn't end up working out for her, she can blame it on "imaginings," "dreams," "mar-i-juani," "images," "fog," "haziness", etc..

 

[miley]

Thanks for posting that. There was a tweet about it from Injustice Anywhere and I saw it linked to elsewhere. They say it's a work in progress.

https://twitter.com/NJusticAnywhere

Injustice Anywhere ‏@NJusticAnywhere 18h
Advocates Look To Correct Misleading Information Presented By Anti-Amanda Knox WIkipedia Style Website

I listened to the podcast with Chris Halkides discussing the dna and was surprised to hear about the human blood downstairs (not really surprised) but apparently, Sollecito's attorney brought it up in closing arguments, do you know the context of this? So, what do you think happened in the downstairs apartment?

btw, for anyone who missed it, I highly suggest, explains a lot (the dna/ luminol) Chris, if you're out there, nice job, thanks

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/injust...lyzing-the-dna-evidence#.Utd6gV4dees.facebook

 

[Linda7NJ]

interesting... thanks otto for highlighting this fact

Do you believe there was some sort of bloody animal sacrifice in the apartment? A huge spill of fruit juice? Beat pulp foot baths? Horseradish pulp foot baths? Onions? metals?

Bleach was positively ruled out as a false positive cause based on the weeks between any possible use and the luminol testing.


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[Linda7NJ]

Which scientific study says luminol used at crime scenes has 1:100 000 000 senstivity?

I'm trying to understand the logic here.
Is someone saying the footprints are not blood???
Is someone claiming false positive luminol footprints were cause by anything other than blood???


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[redheadedgal]

There is more than a little talk of a photoshopped photo of that exact footprint posted by Amanda supporters.
I'm sorry but i would need a different source to be convinced.

It actually appears to be two overlapping footprints. One barefoot and one shod.

the same "print" is used on TJMK... is that good enough?

scroll down to map: http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C339/


** that the defense is now manufacturing evidence despite all criticism that the prosecution was doing the same astounds me !!

 

[otto]

Which scientific study says luminol used at crime scenes has 1:100 000 000 senstivity?

What do you mean?

 

[MichaelSmith]

I'm trying to understand the logic here.
Is someone saying the footprints are not blood???
Is someone claiming false positive luminol footprints were cause by anything other than blood???


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The footprints and none of the luminol positive results were blood. They tested negative for blood. Who knows what caused the luminol to react but it's worthless as evidence against Amanda & Raffaele.

 

[Harmony 2]

Is it verified true that that is Rudy's shoeprint on the pillow?

Yes

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/Vinci.pdf

 

[Bill C]

Thanks but no thanks.

Aa9511,
I'm disappointed. I thought you were open-minded. One should be able to read anything critically and in their own mind determine whether the arguments are valid. I personally read both pro-guilt and pro-inocense sites including the wiki site and pick and choose what I believe on the strength of the arguments. I'm willing to have my mind changed if I'm convinced logically. Don't close your mind to potentially new and different ideas that may or may not change your mind. It's not a crime to change your mind.

 

[MichaelSmith]

What do you mean?

Which scientific study says luminol used at crime scenes has 1:100 000 000 senstivity?

I'll rephrase.

What is the name of the scientific study that shows luminol sensitivity for blood is 1:100 000 000 when processing crime scenes.

 

[aa9511]

considering the supposed "footprint" amanda left in front of MK's door, she must wear oddly shaped, custom made shoes...

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/footprints-01.html



but it doesn't appear that her feet are oddly shaped at all... hmmm...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/amanda-knox-trial-meredith-kercher-3052789#.UuMYFXbTn4g

Yes, you're right, none of the luminol ones are perfectly shaped. I thought it was the innocence supporters who are always asking why are the footprints not smudged if they were cleaned? You can see from the picture that some part of the footprint is missing! And the blue next to Rudy's perfectly shaped shoeprints definately looked smudged-up to me, not perfectly shaped like Rudy's prints in red are.

In that picture of RS and Amanda - is that where he is asking her to marry him? :floorlaugh:

 

[otto]

Is it verified true that that is Rudy's shoeprint on the pillow?

There are several prints on the pillow case. One is attributed to Knox as it is a size 37-38 print (too small for Guede).

 

[Linda7NJ]

The footprints and none of the luminol positive results were blood. They tested negative for blood. Who knows what caused the luminol to react but it's worthless as evidence against Amanda & Raffaele.

Do you have a link stating they were made by anything other than blood?

I have several stating they were a haematic substance and contained Meredith DNA


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[Linda7NJ]

Aa9511,

I'm disappointed. I thought you were open-minded. One should be able to read anything critically and in their own mind determine whether the arguments are valid. I personally read both pro-guilt and pro-inocense sites including the wiki site and pick and choose what I believe on the strength of the arguments. I'm willing to have my mind changed if I'm convinced logically. Don't close your mind to potentially new and different ideas that may or may not change your mind. It's not a crime to change your mind.

I read anything that's linked.
I am not going to just read a link that isn't used to provide an answer to something specific.


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[Bill C]

The footprints and none of the luminol positive results were blood. They tested negative for blood. Who knows what caused the luminol to react but it's worthless as evidence against Amanda & Raffaele.

I think it would put to an end to this argument if you will provide a reference for this! Thanks!

 

[otto]

I'll rephrase.

What is the name of the scientific study that shows luminol sensitivity for blood is 1:100 000 000 when processing crime scenes.

I believe we are waiting for information that contradicts the information that I posted and linked. Is that available?