Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#13
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Yes actually its discussed in the Massei report iirc. About the DNA samples being taken before the tmb test.
Yes, this is exactly why they staged it as Rape + Murder, instead of only Murder.
So you believe the bra clasp was planted DNA? Why do you think the investigators stopped at the bra clasp? Why not plant it on Merediths blue hoodie she was wearing or the empty purse that was on her bed, those things were also collected the same day?
It seems to me if they were in the business of planting DNA, they could've made their framing of RS alot stronger of a case.
I would like to expand on my earlier post:
Let's say there was no rape. Let's say it was staged as only a burglary (leading to murder). Then what do we have? We have a burglar following a woman into her room, murdering her brutally in a stabbing murder with a knife, only kind-of searching through one room, and then not taking anything except some money, keys, and 2 cell phones, leaving plenty of other things behind. Oh, and the keys are no use to him. And the cell phones were thrown out. Makes you go, hmmmm.
I know the supporters of her innocence would probably not question this. But I would imagine others would.
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Once is enough. They had her tied to the conspiracy via the cheap 5 euro kitchen knife and him with the clasp, along comes the stooge/professional witness career criminal toto high on smack used in previous trials seeing them and suddenly they have a case according to Perugia BARD.
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Nina Burleigh stated that no one in Italy spoke English.
Silly.
Burleigh said she got the information on the law office break-in from Paolo Brocchi's testimony on June 26, 2009:
"The person or persons who entered into the study, from what we could rebuild together with the crew of the squad who spoke on the spot, entered through a window in the area of ​​the secretariat that has been breaking the glass, of a glass of this window with the aid of a piece of porphyry, a stone large enough that we then retrieved always on site. The window was broken, then these people or this person has opened the handle. The glasses were clearly scattered everywhere, because it was a glass quite impressive in size. After that, we found these glasses over our clothes. Practically the glass was sprinkled on the floors and the windows were above our jackets, and those of my colleague Palazzoli that were hanging on the hanger right on the corridor while the front window."
"We spoke then of rummages (chin), as well as said before, with broken glass on the clothing."
"Then there were others in the (copier room) glass fragments from always that window, the only route, which were placed on a mat that is right in front of a workstation, to a computer."
Apologies for the machine translation. There's a lot of interesting information in his testimony.
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Paolo_Brocchi's_Testimony
Just as an example that if one Googles something, they can usually find something which supports their theory, I found this very interesting article when I googled "staged burglary, rape, and murder":
'Staging is a conscious effort by the offender to mask the true motive for the crime by altering the crime scene to suggest false motives. The offender's goal in staging a crime scene is to misdirect the investigation and conceal his involvement in the crime.'
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'The minimal amount of property damage done while "ransacking" the house is noteworthy because of its inconsistency with the homicide. The offender engaged in overkill in his assault on Marilyn Sheppard, but appeared to be generally careful in handling the property of his victims. This type of care is consistent with someone who had an overriding proprietary interest in these items. Another key indicator that contradicts the hypothesis that this was a "for-profit" burglary is that nothing of any great value has been taken from the scene. The only evidence of anything being taken from the property is Dr. Sheppard's report of thirty to fifty dollars allegedly missing from his wallet.'
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'Burglars rarely take the time to stack some drawers, selectively dump the contents of other drawers or search a wallet at a crime scene as was done at this scene. The reason is that it is too high risk an environment, especially when the crime scene is a murder scene.'
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'It is more likely that an offender motivated to commit a for-profit or drug-related burglary would have taken Dr. Sheppard's wallet and medical bag from the scene and searched them later, when he could do so safely and thoroughly.'
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'"The dishevelment of the house appears to be more a cover than a quest for valuables, as the worthless things taken tend to indicate. No burglar would hit a woman 25-35 times. He would run away."'
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'The body of Marilyn Sheppard was found on her bed in the early morning hours of July 4, 1954. Subsequent investigation revealed that her pajama top had been unbuttoned and pushed up exposing her breasts and that one pant leg of her pajama bottoms had been pulled off of her leg'
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'In a sex crime the offender exposes the victim's breasts so that he may physically fondle and manipulate them. The presence of blood on her torso, but the lack of blood on her breasts reveals an offender who only wanted to expose her breasts, but not touch, fondle or manipulate them.'
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'There is also inconsistent behavioral evidence in that if this was a sexually violent offender who engaged in overkill to subdue his victim it is most likely that the sexually violent behavior would have continued unabated and he would have ripped the victim's clothing off, and brutally raped her leaving clear evidence of vaginal and anal trauma. '
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'It was also of importance to the killer to display the victim and stage the crime scene to imply a sexual motivation for the crime.'
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'It would be logical to expect a secondary transfer of blood from his fingers and hands to the telephone. No blood was detected on either the telephone or on Dr. Sheppard's fingers, hands, or person in spite of the fact that Dr. Sheppard testified that he did not wash or clean up.'
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'One must conclude that the most logical explanation for the lack of blood on Dr. Sheppard's pants and wallet, as well as on his watch, keys and ring and the green bag in which these three items were found is that these items were not handled by anyone with bloody hands.'
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'Crime scenes are high-risk environments and none more so than a homicide scene. Offenders typically spend no more time than necessary at a crime scene for fear of being interrupted or caught. Consequently there is a high degree of correlation between the amount of time an offender spends at a crime scene and the offender's familiarity and comfortability at that scene. The more time an offender spends at a crime scene the higher the probability that the offender is comfortable and familiar with that scene. Offenders who spend a great deal of time at a crime scene often have a legitimate reason for being at the scene and therefore are not worried about being interrupted or found at the scene.'
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' It was a crime in which the offender took a good deal of time to stage the scene to imply these motives. The amount of time spent staging this scene not only reveals how comfortable and familiar the offender was, but also indicates how important it was for the offender to mask the true motive for the crime. As in all staged homicides, this offender realized that if he did not stage the scene in some way he would immediately become a primary suspect. The offender displayed his lack of criminal sophistication by offering multiple, feebly staged pseudo-motives for this crime.'
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'When a crime scene is staged the responsible person is not someone who just happens upon the victim. It is almost always someone who had some kind of association or relationship with the victim.'
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'This offender will further attempt to steer the investigation away from him by his conduct when in contact with law enforcement. Thus, investigators should never eliminate a suspect solely on the grounds of that person's overly cooperative or distraught behavior.'
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'First, did the subject take inappropriate items from the crime scene if burglary appears to be the motive? Second, did the point of entry make sense; and third, did the perpetration of this crime pose a high risk to the offender?'
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'Forensic red flags indicating staging include excessive trauma beyond that necessary to cause death (overkill). The victim (not money or goods) is the primary focus of the offender. This type of offender may attempt to stage a sexual or domestic homicide to appear motivated by criminal enterprise. This does not imply that personal-type assaults never happen during the commission of a property crime, but usually the criminal enterprise offender prefers a quick clean kill that reduces his time at the scene. Any forensic red flags, after careful analysis, should be placed in context with victimology and crime scene information. When an offender stages a domestic homicide, he frequently plans and maneuvers a third-party discovery of the victim. The offender often will manipulate the victim's discovery by a neighbor or family member or will be conveniently elsewhere when the victim is discovered.' [iv]
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'Inappropriate items taken from the crime scene if burglary appeared to be the motive.':
'In effect, nothing of value was taken from the crime scene.'
'Did the point of entry make sense?':
'not a logical point of entry....it would make no sense to break in a basement door when the ground floor doors were unlocked.'
'Did the perpetration of this crime pose a high risk to the offender?':
'This high-risk approach is very uncommon for rapists, who are usually cowardly by nature. If an alleged intruder was in the house to burglarize or rape, he was doing so at great risk for detection.'
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'Excessive trauma beyond that necessary to cause death (Overkill)':
'35 injuries were noted on the autopsy report. The cause of death was listed as multiple impacts to the head and face with comminuted fractures of skull and separation of frontal suture, bilateral subdural hemorrhages, diffuse bilateral subarachnoid hemorrhages and contusions of the brain. The number and severity of these injuries can reasonably be considered overkill'
'The offender will often manipulate the victims discovery by a neighbor or family member'
'Dr. Sheppard called his neighbors, Mr. and Mrs. Houk, and asked them to come to the house stating, I think theyve killed Marilyn. Once Mr. and Mrs. Houk arrived, Dr. Sheppard remained downstairs and they went upstairs where they discovered her body. Although Dr. Sheppard testified that he had discovered his wifes body on two separate occasions he never called the police. Instead he called his neighbors who, once they discovered the body, called the police.'
'The murder weapon, fingerprints and other evidentiary items often removed'
'The murder weapon was removed from the scene and no latent fingerprints of value were developed.'
'The crime scene often involves the victim's or offender's residence, as the offender typically has control of the scene and therefore can spend time staging the scene without worry of being interrupted.'
'The victim's residence was the crime scene.'
'Death may appear to have occurred in the context of another criminal activity such as a robbery or rape.'
'The offender staged the scene to make Marilyn Sheppard's death appear as though it occurred in the context of a failed sexual assault or a burglary.'
'An offender who has a close relationship with his victim will often only partially remove the victim's clothing (e.g. pants pulled down, shirt or dress pulled up, etc.) He rarely leaves the victim nude.'
'The victim's pajamas were only partially removed as her pajama bottoms were pulled off one leg and her top was unbuttoned and pushed up over her breasts.'
'The offender frequently positions the victim to infer that a sexual assault has occurred.'
'The offender exposed the victim's breasts, pulled off one pant leg and slightly spread her legs implying that the victim was the target of a sexual assault.'
I note that a reference is John Douglas' work, so he should really brush up on his own work before he makes statements which directly refute the work he himself has established.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/sheppard2/assignment_2.html
'Staging is a conscious effort by the offender to mask the true motive for the crime by altering the crime scene to suggest false motives. The offender's goal in staging a crime scene is to misdirect the investigation and conceal his involvement in the crime.'
--------------------------
'The minimal amount of property damage done while "ransacking" the house is noteworthy because of its inconsistency with the homicide. The offender engaged in overkill in his assault on Marilyn Sheppard, but appeared to be generally careful in handling the property of his victims. This type of care is consistent with someone who had an overriding proprietary interest in these items. Another key indicator that contradicts the hypothesis that this was a "for-profit" burglary is that nothing of any great value has been taken from the scene. The only evidence of anything being taken from the property is Dr. Sheppard's report of thirty to fifty dollars allegedly missing from his wallet.'
-------------------------
'Burglars rarely take the time to stack some drawers, selectively dump the contents of other drawers or search a wallet at a crime scene as was done at this scene. The reason is that it is too high risk an environment, especially when the crime scene is a murder scene.'
-------------------------
'It is more likely that an offender motivated to commit a for-profit or drug-related burglary would have taken Dr. Sheppard's wallet and medical bag from the scene and searched them later, when he could do so safely and thoroughly.'
------------------------
'"The dishevelment of the house appears to be more a cover than a quest for valuables, as the worthless things taken tend to indicate. No burglar would hit a woman 25-35 times. He would run away."'
------------------------
'The body of Marilyn Sheppard was found on her bed in the early morning hours of July 4, 1954. Subsequent investigation revealed that her pajama top had been unbuttoned and pushed up exposing her breasts and that one pant leg of her pajama bottoms had been pulled off of her leg'
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'In a sex crime the offender exposes the victim's breasts so that he may physically fondle and manipulate them. The presence of blood on her torso, but the lack of blood on her breasts reveals an offender who only wanted to expose her breasts, but not touch, fondle or manipulate them.'
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'There is also inconsistent behavioral evidence in that if this was a sexually violent offender who engaged in overkill to subdue his victim it is most likely that the sexually violent behavior would have continued unabated and he would have ripped the victim's clothing off, and brutally raped her leaving clear evidence of vaginal and anal trauma. '
------------------------
'It was also of importance to the killer to display the victim and stage the crime scene to imply a sexual motivation for the crime.'
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'It would be logical to expect a secondary transfer of blood from his fingers and hands to the telephone. No blood was detected on either the telephone or on Dr. Sheppard's fingers, hands, or person in spite of the fact that Dr. Sheppard testified that he did not wash or clean up.'
------------------------
'One must conclude that the most logical explanation for the lack of blood on Dr. Sheppard's pants and wallet, as well as on his watch, keys and ring and the green bag in which these three items were found is that these items were not handled by anyone with bloody hands.'
------------------------
'Crime scenes are high-risk environments and none more so than a homicide scene. Offenders typically spend no more time than necessary at a crime scene for fear of being interrupted or caught. Consequently there is a high degree of correlation between the amount of time an offender spends at a crime scene and the offender's familiarity and comfortability at that scene. The more time an offender spends at a crime scene the higher the probability that the offender is comfortable and familiar with that scene. Offenders who spend a great deal of time at a crime scene often have a legitimate reason for being at the scene and therefore are not worried about being interrupted or found at the scene.'
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' It was a crime in which the offender took a good deal of time to stage the scene to imply these motives. The amount of time spent staging this scene not only reveals how comfortable and familiar the offender was, but also indicates how important it was for the offender to mask the true motive for the crime. As in all staged homicides, this offender realized that if he did not stage the scene in some way he would immediately become a primary suspect. The offender displayed his lack of criminal sophistication by offering multiple, feebly staged pseudo-motives for this crime.'
-----------------------
'When a crime scene is staged the responsible person is not someone who just happens upon the victim. It is almost always someone who had some kind of association or relationship with the victim.'
-----------------------
'This offender will further attempt to steer the investigation away from him by his conduct when in contact with law enforcement. Thus, investigators should never eliminate a suspect solely on the grounds of that person's overly cooperative or distraught behavior.'
---------------------
'First, did the subject take inappropriate items from the crime scene if burglary appears to be the motive? Second, did the point of entry make sense; and third, did the perpetration of this crime pose a high risk to the offender?'
--------------------
'Forensic red flags indicating staging include excessive trauma beyond that necessary to cause death (overkill). The victim (not money or goods) is the primary focus of the offender. This type of offender may attempt to stage a sexual or domestic homicide to appear motivated by criminal enterprise. This does not imply that personal-type assaults never happen during the commission of a property crime, but usually the criminal enterprise offender prefers a quick clean kill that reduces his time at the scene. Any forensic red flags, after careful analysis, should be placed in context with victimology and crime scene information. When an offender stages a domestic homicide, he frequently plans and maneuvers a third-party discovery of the victim. The offender often will manipulate the victim's discovery by a neighbor or family member or will be conveniently elsewhere when the victim is discovered.' [iv]
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'Inappropriate items taken from the crime scene if burglary appeared to be the motive.':
'In effect, nothing of value was taken from the crime scene.'
'Did the point of entry make sense?':
'not a logical point of entry....it would make no sense to break in a basement door when the ground floor doors were unlocked.'
'Did the perpetration of this crime pose a high risk to the offender?':
'This high-risk approach is very uncommon for rapists, who are usually cowardly by nature. If an alleged intruder was in the house to burglarize or rape, he was doing so at great risk for detection.'
----------------
'Excessive trauma beyond that necessary to cause death (Overkill)':
'35 injuries were noted on the autopsy report. The cause of death was listed as multiple impacts to the head and face with comminuted fractures of skull and separation of frontal suture, bilateral subdural hemorrhages, diffuse bilateral subarachnoid hemorrhages and contusions of the brain. The number and severity of these injuries can reasonably be considered overkill'
'The offender will often manipulate the victims discovery by a neighbor or family member'
'Dr. Sheppard called his neighbors, Mr. and Mrs. Houk, and asked them to come to the house stating, I think theyve killed Marilyn. Once Mr. and Mrs. Houk arrived, Dr. Sheppard remained downstairs and they went upstairs where they discovered her body. Although Dr. Sheppard testified that he had discovered his wifes body on two separate occasions he never called the police. Instead he called his neighbors who, once they discovered the body, called the police.'
'The murder weapon, fingerprints and other evidentiary items often removed'
'The murder weapon was removed from the scene and no latent fingerprints of value were developed.'
'The crime scene often involves the victim's or offender's residence, as the offender typically has control of the scene and therefore can spend time staging the scene without worry of being interrupted.'
'The victim's residence was the crime scene.'
'Death may appear to have occurred in the context of another criminal activity such as a robbery or rape.'
'The offender staged the scene to make Marilyn Sheppard's death appear as though it occurred in the context of a failed sexual assault or a burglary.'
'An offender who has a close relationship with his victim will often only partially remove the victim's clothing (e.g. pants pulled down, shirt or dress pulled up, etc.) He rarely leaves the victim nude.'
'The victim's pajamas were only partially removed as her pajama bottoms were pulled off one leg and her top was unbuttoned and pushed up over her breasts.'
'The offender frequently positions the victim to infer that a sexual assault has occurred.'
'The offender exposed the victim's breasts, pulled off one pant leg and slightly spread her legs implying that the victim was the target of a sexual assault.'
I note that a reference is John Douglas' work, so he should really brush up on his own work before he makes statements which directly refute the work he himself has established.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/sheppard2/assignment_2.html
Nina Burleigh studied and learned Italian during her year in Italy, so it's also not true that she didn't speak Italian.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_facto..._it_might_be_worth_learning_the_language.html
Thanks for this. Very odd indeed. So this appears to be from the pro-guilt wiki. I wonder what they make of it?
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More of Sollecito's text messages related to his time with Kelsey
http://amradaronline.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/raffaele-conversation.pdf
http://amradaronline.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/raffaele-conversation.pdf
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I posted the quote from Burleigh and provided a link.
I'm really bad at these translation things but to me this says the clothes were hanging by the window and got glass on them and that the glass from the floor was tracked into the copying room and was found on the floor mat in front of the desk. This is just my interpretation.
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Thank you. That makes sense. Electronic translations are so strange that they leave open the opportunity to change the meaning to suit one's objectives, but there is nothing in the electronic translation that leads me to believe that Guede carried pieces of glass to a computer and neatly placed them side by side next to a computer. Perhaps Burleigh was using electronic translations when she wrote her book.
Not a floor mat - more like a mouse pad on the desk.
I think Raffaelle has flipped his gourd .... :waitasec:
I don't remember when your link was from, but obviously she did not speak Italian when she arrived, but did speak it by the time she left.
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Here's the quote from Nina Burleigh again:
"Burleigh recently returned to the United States after spending seven months in Italy doing research for her new book about the Amanda Knox trial. Burleigh is still working on the research portion and once the book is published, it will be her fifth one.
“The research was hard because no one spoke English over there, contrary to belief,” Burleigh said. “I took Italian classes and worked with a translator and I’ve learned what it’s like to work in a country where the concept of freedom of speech doesn’t exist. They do certainly have legal right to free speech, just not as extensive as ours.”
http://www.columbiachronicle.com/metro/article_8cd702e7-c560-591a-80bc-00ae83e6a7f6.html
"Burleigh recently returned to the United States after spending seven months in Italy doing research for her new book about the Amanda Knox trial. Burleigh is still working on the research portion and once the book is published, it will be her fifth one.
“The research was hard because no one spoke English over there, contrary to belief,” Burleigh said. “I took Italian classes and worked with a translator and I’ve learned what it’s like to work in a country where the concept of freedom of speech doesn’t exist. They do certainly have legal right to free speech, just not as extensive as ours.”
http://www.columbiachronicle.com/metro/article_8cd702e7-c560-591a-80bc-00ae83e6a7f6.html
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