Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL* #2

[Harmony 2]

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[otto]

LOL.... Is it starch, contaminated, or a myth? Or maybe they found Meredith's DNA on the blade because the knife is the murder weapon?

Supreme Court of Cassation sentencing report in English


http://thefreelancedesk.com/wp-cont...ning-on-Amanda-Knox-Case_-English-Version.pdf

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.c...e#Is_the_DNA_on_the_Knife_Meredith.27s_DNA.3F
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Using the DNA charts in the second link, I overlaid the two to see how they line up. Red is Meredith's DNA. Blue is the DNA sample from the knife. Perhaps someone with some expertise in DNA can offer some insight into why the DNA on the blade would not belong to Meredith.

 

[OldSteve]

The US Government Role:

http://groundreport.com/experts-to-...case-of-amanda-knox-and-raffaele-sollecito-4/

 

[aa9511]

I don't really find it that compelling since there is no denial that AK used that knife at times.

I have never thought that knife was the murder weapon. I don't see why they would bother taking it back to RF's place with them. That makes zero sense. Wouldn't they just dump it somewhere like Meredith's phone?

And why bother taking a massive kitchen knife over there when there were undoubtedly many more knives in the flat anyway?

Even if I thought they were guilty, I still would not think that knife was the murder weapon.

I saw RS interview with Katie Couric....he was talking about the knife and said that the investigators opened the drawer and picked up the knife which was on the very top and suggested it was the murder weapon. He was saying it like to support his point of the "witchhunt" and all that. So I don't know whether that's true or not (that they picked up the first knife they saw), but that kind of stuck with me the way he said it.

Of course it is proven that he has lied about other things, so, guess we should take "his version" with a grain of salt....

 

[aa9511]

Another thing is that it would seem like even if they cleaned off the knife, they would surely have put it on the bottom of the stack of knives!

 

[aa9511]

Why don't you reason from what the evidence tells you instead of making up a scenario and then claim that it makes no sense? There is Meredith's DNA on the tip of the knife. This strongly indicates that it was used during the murder. Also the experts concluded that the location of Knox's DNA do not indicate 'normal use'. This 2nd trace seems to confirm that conclusion. Why go against this evidence? What is your proof that they got it all wrong?

Sollecito didn't own that knife. It was part of the inventory of his rental apartment. He might have thought it would look suspicious if he threw it away. There is a picture of the kitchen drawer somewhere from where they took the knife. It showed a bread knife and that is about it. Where is your proof of this 'many more knives'?

bbm

Omg, so that means he WAS lying in the Katie interview! He specifically said, regarding the knife, that the investigators were just looking for things so they could accuse him, and that the knife was so ridiculous b/c they literally opened the drawer and picked up the "knife on the very top" and then said, oh yes, this is the murder weapon. He made it sound like there were many knives in the stack and they just picked the top one.

But from what you're saying, there were only about 2 knives in the drawer to begin with!

 

[otto]

I looked for photos of the drawer and found two photos that are not the same, so I think it might be nearly impossible to find an authentic photo of the actual drawer.

 

[Sonata]

I looked for photos of the drawer and found two photos that are not the same, so I think it might be nearly impossible to find an authentic photo of the actual drawer.

Yeah, me too. And one of them is at a bad angle anyway.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

A negative "species-specific" test? <modsnip>

Even if something is blood, one would like to say whether or not it is human blood. The only way I can think do this involves antibodies to something in blood, such as hemoglobin or glycophorin (a protein found on the surface of red blood cells). I would say that that an antibody-based test is a type of confirmatory test.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

With respect to the C-V report and DNA, it is my understanding that they found a very small amount of DNA, smaller than any point on their standard curve for quantitation. They asked the observers if they objected to discontinuing the test, and none objected at the time. It is correct to say that C-V found no DNA at the level necessary for standard DNA forensics IMO. If the amount of DNA found by the Carabinieri falls into the low template range (as news reports suggest), then that would be consistent with expectations.

 

[SMK]

With respect to the C-V report and DNA, it is my understanding that they found a very small amount of DNA, smaller than any point on their standard curve for quantitation. They asked the observers if they objected to discontinuing the test, and none objected at the time. It is correct to say that C-V found no DNA at the level necessary for standard DNA forensics IMO. If the amount of DNA found by the Carabinieri falls into the low template range (as news reports suggest), then that would be consistent with expectations.

So does this preclude it being found to belong to the victim? There will be no way to ascertain?

 

[Nova]

Meredith's DNA on the tip of the knife is a myth. Remember that.

Exactly. Had MK's DNA actually been found anywhere on the blade, the appellate court would not have overturned the verdict.

 

[sherlockh]

Exactly. Had MK's DNA actually been found anywhere on the blade, the appellate court would not have overturned the verdict.

Yes, and if there was DNA on the knife and they still overturned the verdict then they must have messed up and the acquittal must be cancelled.... oh wait...

 

[sherlockh]

I looked for photos of the drawer and found two photos that are not the same, so I think it might be nearly impossible to find an authentic photo of the actual drawer.

I believe this was the pic.
http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/download/file.php?id=8289&mode=view

 

[sherlockh]

Even if something is blood, one would like to say whether or not it is human blood. The only way I can think do this involves antibodies to something in blood, such as hemoglobin or glycophorin (a protein found on the surface of red blood cells). I would say that that an antibody-based test is a type of confirmatory test.

There is no question that the DNA was human. Clearly the 'species specific' test was wrong. Whether or not they can confirm that it was blood is secondary to the explanations how the DNA could have come onto the blade of the knife. The explanation that Sollecito gave that once he pricked Meredith while cooking is already unbelievable, but now we are supposed to believe that Knox's hand slipped on the blade while cutting onions or something? The results of this new test seem to confirm what was already concluded in the first trial.

Supreme Court Report

In Sollecito&#8217;s apartment, an extremely clean kitchen knife different from the other ones supplied in the house that he occupied on Corso Garibaldi was found; on the handle of this knife, in the raised portion of the handle where the blade begins, a biological trace (trace A) attributable to Knox was found: the place where the trace was found suggested that the knife had not been used in a horizontal direction, but at a certain angle, suggesting a slipping action of a hand seizing the knife to strike rather than to cut.

http://thefreelancedesk.com/wp-cont...ning-on-Amanda-Knox-Case_-English-Version.pdf

 

[otto]

With respect to the C-V report and DNA, it is my understanding that they found a very small amount of DNA, smaller than any point on their standard curve for quantitation. They asked the observers if they objected to discontinuing the test, and none objected at the time. It is correct to say that C-V found no DNA at the level necessary for standard DNA forensics IMO. If the amount of DNA found by the Carabinieri falls into the low template range (as news reports suggest), then that would be consistent with expectations.

You seem to know something about DNA. Could you please tell me what you understand from looking at these two overlaid charts - Meredith is the Red Graph, the DNA on the knife is the Blue Graph:



Thanks

 

[otto]

We've all heard the argument that evidence of Meredith on the knife is low copy number DNA, so it could not be tested and should be dismissed as - just a bit of starch.

The DNA that was available was tested and it is compared with the DNA found on the knife. Is it a match, or is the allele lineup common for a large group of people?

It appears that the knife may also confirm Knox's DNA on the top of the knife blade. It has always been posed by the court that Knox held the knife during the final blow to Meredith. DNA on the top of the blade supports that argument

Does anyone think the court will do a soft sell (Hellman) and acquiesce to setting the "college lovers" accused of murder "free" - nice young kids etc?

 

[otto]

Chris Halkides, I hope that you will take the time to demonstrate your expertise in DNA by explaining the apparent DNA match between LNC DNA evidence of Meredith on the knife.

As someone that holds that the knife was not part of the murder, how do you explain the problem that the "starch" has the same allele layout as Meredith's DNA?

 

[whiterum]

Since the murder was so close to Halloween it could be that the knife had been taken from the drawer (being a larger menacing knife) with the intention of being used as a prop for a halloween costume or a prank to frighten someone (i.e. along with a Scream mask etc) and was still in the persons possession at the bottom of a bag or wherever the next evening.

http://www.costumekingdom.com/p-22461-butcher-knife-accessory-large.aspx

 

[Chris_Halkides]

There is no question that the DNA was human. Clearly the 'species specific' test was wrong. Whether or not they can confirm that it was blood is secondary to the explanations how the DNA could have come onto the blade of the knife. The explanation that Sollecito gave that once he pricked Meredith while cooking is already unbelievable, but now we are supposed to believe that Knox's hand slipped on the blade while cutting onions or something? The results of this new test seem to confirm what was already concluded in the first trial.

Supreme Court Report

http://thefreelancedesk.com/wp-cont...ning-on-Amanda-Knox-Case_-English-Version.pdf

You may have misunderstood what I wrote. A species-specific test refers to a test for blood, not for DNA. I would like to see another case where someone made a successful claim that he or she can tell how a knife was used by where the DNA was found on the handle. That argument sounds fanciful at best. It is remarkable how many false or illogical arguments the court of supreme cassation managed to stuff into their report.