Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#4

[otto]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...er-trial-Rudy-Guede-was-violent-to-women.html

In the document, Abukar Mohamed Barrow, known as “Momi”, accused Guede of drinking too much, taking drugs and trying to steal the handbags of young women during nights out on the town.

“Rudy was often drunk. I know he took cocaine. Often he was off his head with the drugs that he was taking. And when he was like that he would be a nuisance to girls, he’d block their path and try to hassle them. When we were in crowded places he stole their bags,” Barrow testified, according to excerpts of his evidence printed in the Italian press.

Maria Del Prato Discusses Rudy Guede Breaking Into Her Nursery. - YouTube

Maria Del Prato "We all had the feeling he was a dangerous person"

I believe Sollecito admitted in his book that he had experimented with hard drugs. I suppose we can say that Guede and Sollecito, who both lived in Perugia, had a similar vice as well: hard drugs. It's surprising that their paths had never crossed given that they didn't live far from each other, and Sollecito had been studying in Perugia for four years - granted Guede was still in high school for two of those years and he had worked North of Milan after completing high school.

It's true that Guede was trouble for his adoptive parents, where, as a teenager he was truant, lazy and just wanted to play basketball.

 

[MichaelSmith]

That's certainly what came up early on. Patrick told media that Knox had been flirting too much and working too little, so her job had been changed from server to handing out fliers at the door. Meredith had been offered a job behind the bar because of her skill in mixing mojitos, but she hadn't accepted. As far as I know, she also wasn't allowed to work in Italy. Both Knox and Meredith should have been on student visas. I doubt a language student would be granted a work visa, and I doubt an Erasmus student would need to work.

That, along with the impression that Knox was not accepted by Meredith or her friends, and wasn't included in the legal profession social circles (Laura, Filomina), Meredith had a boyfriend downstairs, Knox had a hook up downstairs ... excluded, a loner ... it leaves one with the impression that Knox may have been jealous of Meredith. Meredith was more lady like than Knox. Knox thought it was okay to hang her "joke" vibrator in translucent packaging in the bathroom. Meredith was horrified and didn't get the joke.

I very much agree with your assessment about Knox's insecurities around women and how that played out, or backfired on her more often than not. Bursting into song at a restaurant falls into the category of insecurity that you describe above.

I think you if want to form an opinion about who she was, her life at the cottage, her ability to make friends and her relationship with Meredith then it's best to stick to the testimony and probably the most credible person to testify about that was Filomena who said Amanda & Meredith were friends who shared many interests in common and Amanda was a normal girl with many interests.

 

[MichaelSmith]

Someone recently used the tabloid hack Barbie Nadeau as a cite to show Guede's release is 2016. She is wrong as usual.

Here is Guede's lawyer confirming May 2014.

http://www.perugiatoday.it/cronaca/omicidio-meredith-guede-permessi-uscita-carcere.html

Murder Meredith, from 2014 Guede will leave prison
„
The only culprit is Rudy Guede: definitively sentenced to 16 years for murder in competition with the ghosts .... but (given that there are other culprits at the moment) . And six years after this tragic crime - both for the Kercher family and for the city of Perugia came under the disgraced general - comes the news that the only official guilty (the Ivorian-Perugia) Rudy Guede from May will be able to leave prison having already served between good behavior, preventive detention and one year subscriber - every few already discounted - half of the sentence imposed by the Court.

The confirmation comes directly lawyer Nicodemo Gentile during transmission Mediaset Fourth Grade: "I can confirm - he explained - which from May will be attended our formal request to enjoy the benefits of the law: that the first permits to leave the prison of Viterbo.“

 

[redheadedgal]

And it is said that as of late, he has fallen silent on his role in the Knox case.

TJMK is incorrect in this assertion (as well as numerous others).

in october 2013, GH presented @ the 24th ISHI in atlanta... one of his lectures was entitled

Amanda Knox: How DNA Convicted and the Freed an Innocent Woman

http://ishinews.com/agenda/

 

[redheadedgal]

Thanks. That would be the letter. Initially, there were more signatures, but as soon a the letter was circulated, seven of nine people withdrew their signatures.

chris??

 

[otto]

I think you if want to form an opinion about who she was, her life at the cottage, her ability to make friends and her relationship with Meredith then it's best to stick to the testimony and probably the most credible person to testify about that was Filomena who said Amanda & Meredith were friends who shared many interests in common and Amanda was a normal girl with many interests.

The testimony from Meredith friends and family is clear. Meredith was not comfortable with Knox's habits and was distancing herself from Knox. Although Knox phoned Meredith several times on Halloween, looking for a party, Meredith did not invite her to join the group. This was how Meredith was distancing herself from Knox. The following day, when Meredith joined her friends for dinner, it was reported by Sollecito and Knox that Meredith did not tell them where she was going.

 

[otto]

Someone recently used the tabloid hack Barbie Nadeau as a cite to show Guede's release is 2016. She is wrong as usual.

Here is Guede's lawyer confirming May 2014.

http://www.perugiatoday.it/cronaca/omicidio-meredith-guede-permessi-uscita-carcere.html

Murder Meredith, from 2014 Guede will leave prison
„
The only culprit is Rudy Guede: definitively sentenced to 16 years for murder in competition with the ghosts .... but (given that there are other culprits at the moment) . And six years after this tragic crime - both for the Kercher family and for the city of Perugia came under the disgraced general - comes the news that the only official guilty (the Ivorian-Perugia) Rudy Guede from May will be able to leave prison having already served between good behavior, preventive detention and one year subscriber - every few already discounted - half of the sentence imposed by the Court.

The confirmation comes directly lawyer Nicodemo Gentile during transmission Mediaset Fourth Grade: "I can confirm - he explained - which from May will be attended our formal request to enjoy the benefits of the law: that the first permits to leave the prison of Viterbo.“

I posted a CNN link regarding Guede being eligible for parole in 2016. That does not mean that parole will be granted.

25 years minus one third is eight years and 8 months. From November 2007 to May 2016 is eight year and seven months. How is 2014 half of a 16 2/3 year sentence?

 

[otto]

chris??

I'll find the screen shot when my computer is up and running again. I did take a screen shot of the original signees of the letter.

 

[MichaelSmith]

The testimony from Meredith friends and family is clear. Meredith was not comfortable with Knox's habits and was distancing herself from Knox. Although Knox phoned Meredith several times on Halloween, looking for a party, Meredith did not invite her to join the group. This was how Meredith was distancing herself from Knox. The following day, when Meredith joined her friends for dinner, it was reported by Sollecito and Knox that Meredith did not tell them where she was going.

The actual testimony of what Meredith's British friends really said has only become available in the last week on www.amandaknox.com for the first time.

I got about 1/3rd though it so far and I think people would be surprized. I didn't come across any evidence Meredith was distancing herself from Amanda at all. One of the girls in her original statements told police Meredith liked Amanda.

 

[redheadedgal]

This doesn't look sealed to me.Door looks wide open.

pictures snipped by me for brevity


as well, i recall that chris_h posted that a reporter mentioned seeing the door open/activity at the cottage on at least one day b/w those dates as well...

 

[redheadedgal]

I'll find the screen shot when my computer is up and running again. I did take a screen shot of the original signees of the letter.

yes, i know who signed it -- thanks. what i am after is proof that the signatures were withdrawn... and not that just a copy of the letter sans sigs was posted online and is being used as proof of something it's not.

 

[otto]

The actual testimony of what Meredith's British friends really said has only become available in the last week on www.amandaknox.com for the first time.

I got about 1/3rd though it so far and I think people would be surprized. I didn't come across any evidence Meredith was distancing herself from Amanda at all. One of the girls in her original statements told police Meredith liked Amanda.

The testimony of Meredith's friends was presented at trial.

 

[otto]

yes, i know who signed it -- thanks. what i am after is proof that the signatures were withdrawn... and not that just a copy of the letter sans sigs was posted online and is being used as proof of something it's not.

I believe you introduced the letter discussion with 9 signatures. I mentioned that it was maybe 2. It is two. Perhaps you know what happened to the other seven. Were their signatures removed? Did they choose to have their signatures removed (my understanding)?

 

[MichaelSmith]

The testimony of Meredith's friends was presented at trial.

:banghead:

Otto I was referring to a transcript of their trial testimony has only just become available so we can see what they really said word for word.

Does that make sense?

 

[otto]

pictures snipped by me for brevity


as well, i recall that chris_h posted that a reporter mentioned seeing the door open/activity at the cottage on at least one day b/w those dates as well...

Are you saying that there was an eye witness that can testify that the door was wide open when the cottage was supposed to be sealed as a crime scene? What about the break in? Was that before or after the clasp was collected?

 

[otto]

:banghead:

Otto I was referring to a transcript of their trial testimony has only just become available so we can see what they really said word for word.

Does that make sense?

Sure, but I thought that the testimony had been available for a long time ... video included.

How does this narration on the Knox website compare to the original?

 

[MichaelSmith]

Sure, but I thought that the testimony had been available for a long time ... video included.

How does this narration on the Knox website compare to the original?

Some trial testimony in Italian and English has been available for a long time but large chunks of it from the 1st trial were not available until very recently.

The complete Massei trial transcripts are now available in Italian.

 

[otto]

Some trial testimony in Italian and English has been available for a long time but large chunks of it from the 1st trial were not until very recently.

The complete Massei trial transcripts are now available in Italian.

Who is translating the testimony from Meredith's friends and why?
I can't read "machine" translation.

 

[otto]

Yes, I will say that when reading Hendry's well-laid out theory of the lone wolf killer, I was completely convinced that Guede was a criminal to his fingertips, and acted alone as the drifter and druggie and lustful creature he was. I still have trouble viewing him in any other manner. I am afraid a sub-conscious racism may be at work there, even in myself (although consciously I hold no such view). I guess Guede was speaking to thousands in America when he said, "black man found, black man guilty."

I suppose I took the opposite route. When I heard that someone named Ron Hendry had prepared a report on crime scene analysis for the Murder of Meredith Kercher, I was very interested. My next step was to research Ron Hendry. The first question I had was: what does a vehicle accident software specialist know about blood spatter. I'm still waiting for the answer. It's nice when people reveal their backgrounds with their opinion, because otherwise it's just another anonymous opinion. Now it's an opinion from a vehicle accident reconstructionist.

 

[MichaelSmith]

Sophie Purton testimony starting page 98

PROSECUTOR - Look, you remember what he said, which

were the relations between Meredith and Amanda?

HEADS - I would say that they had a good relationship but there were

things that bothered Meredith, but I do not think

had many discussions or arguments. Meredith pointed

only that he had some trouble against him.

DEFENSE LAWYER BRUSCO Page 107

LAWYER - So I say he's never heard her say "now

move house, I can no longer stay with Amanda, or goes away

she or I'm leaving "something?

WITNESS - No, she never said anything like that.

Page 109

LAWYER - I get it. Also remember if Amanda and Raffaele or

someone other than you had a few scratches, some

wound that night?

WITNESS - No, I have not noticed anything like that.