Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#6

[SMK]

I actually watched an episode on the ID channel about 2 college roommates one stabbing the other to death. It too was totally senseless, ill have to see if I can find it on the Internet.

Is that the one where she stabbed her dorm mate over music playing on the iPod?

 

[redheadedgal]

No motive is mentioned in any of those links.

the motive was an argument which escalated, as stated. see post #267.

 

[Amber29]

Is that the one where she stabbed her dorm mate over music playing on the iPod?

I don't know for sure it's been awhile since I saw it but it could be.
I thought the two had been having some disagreements over things before the actual stabbing happened.

 

[otto]

Yes I wonder what the motive in this senseless killing was? Can't be just drugs and alcohol..that doesn't happen.
Notice it was his first time experimenting with ecstasy.

I think that part of the reason that people from the US developed such a poor reputation in European countries is in part because they seem to perceive that laws don't apply to tourists. Consequently, young adults go to Europe and break the law. I can't help but think of Natalie Holloway and her classmates, who went to Aruba to party hard. That should have been a wake up call about the dangers of getting twisted out of shape in a foreign country.

 

[Amber29]

I think you missed my point

I actually didn't miss your point. I think different people can look at a case along with the evidence and find a motive. After all IMO motives are speculation which the evidence has to support. Is it not up to a juror to decide which evidence he finds credible? I do not think you have to accept a prosecutors motive to find someone guilty.

We are discussing a prosecutor which did not handle the initial trial and investigation, so yes his conclusions may be different than GM/MC.

 

[otto]

the motive was an argument which escalated, as stated. see post #267.

In the links provided, the violence was a result of conflict, or an argument, but no details are provided about the reason for the argument. Was it filthy personal habits, missing money, failure to participate in chores, using the residence as a party spot? "Conflict" or "argument" does not tell me anything about motive.

The prosecutor in this case has said that there was a conflict, or an argument. However, he also suggested the origin, or motive, in that conflict.

The term "argument" is not motive. The reason for the argument is the motive.

 

[redheadedgal]

I think that part of the reason that people from the US developed such a poor reputation in European countries is in part because they seem to perceive that laws don't apply to tourists. Consequently, young adults go to Europe and break the law. I can't help but think of Natalie Holloway and her classmates, who went to Aruba to party hard. That should have been a wake up call about the dangers of getting twisted out of shape in a foreign country.

previous thread:

otto: I provided a quote from Meredith's father. Is the request for a transcript of a father's statements about his murdered daughter before it can be believed?

Perhaps I can refer you to his book.
Perhaps people have forgotten who the victim is.

1) it's natalee
2) victim blaming is acceptable in this thread?

 

[redheadedgal]

In the links provided, the violence was a result of conflict, or an argument, but no details are provided about the reason for the argument. Was it filthy personal habits, missing money, failure to participate in chores, using the residence as a party spot? "Conflict" or "argument" does not tell me anything about motive.

The prosecutor in this case has said that there was a conflict, or an argument. However, he also suggested the origin, or motive, in that conflict.

The term "argument" is not motive. The reason for the argument is the motive.

semantics. each article clearly said there was an argument b/w the roommates. just b/c the reporter didn't include that info in his article does not negate the point.

 

[Amber29]

semantics. each article clearly said there was an argument b/w the roommates. just b/c the reporter didn't include that info in his article does not negate the point.

It does negate the point. Crini also said this was an argument between roommates, he only went further and speculated what caused the argument.
Either way MANY times arguments have lead to death between roommates/friends and the links you provided proved that.

Who knows each one of those arguments could've been over something as small as an unflushed toilet.

 

[SMK]

I don't know for sure it's been awhile since I saw it but it could be.
I thought the two had been having some disagreements over things before the actual stabbing happened.

Yes, it says that weeks of dorm tension finally escalated into a conflict over an iPod. It happens:

'I didn't mean it': How student stabbed her roommate,19, to death after weeks of dorm tension boiled over in iPod row

A college student accused of stabbing her room mate to death after a row over an iPod told friends 'I didn't mean to do it', it was reported today.

Alexis D. Simpson, 19, was charged with first-degree murder, second-degree murder and first-degree assault after her room mate Dominique Frazier, 18, was found unconscious in a second-floor hallway.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...room-mate-Dominique-Frazer.html#ixzz2lyylvmhV

 

[SMK]

Here is a case where a woman in her 30s stabbed one of her roommates with a spear over arguments about wasting electricity in the apartment. These things do occur.

http://www.abc27.com/story/21367071/police-woman-stabbed-roommate-with-decorative-spear

 

[Amber29]

Yes, it says that weeks of dorm tension finally escalated into a conflict over an iPod. It happens:





http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...room-mate-Dominique-Frazer.html#ixzz2lyylvmhV

Yes thanks SMK!

So not only do we have a possible argument here but IMO drugs and alcohol also play into it.

 

[Amber29]

Here is a case where a woman in her 30s stabbed one of her roommates with a spear over arguments about wasting electricity in the apartment. These things do occur.

http://www.abc27.com/story/21367071/police-woman-stabbed-roommate-with-decorative-spear

Yes it is crazy for anyone to insinuate that people don't kill for minor arguments. It does happen all the time.
Roommates kill each other almost as ofton has spouses do it seems.

 

[SMK]

Yes it is crazy for anyone to insinuate that people don't kill for minor arguments. It does happen all the time.
Roommates kill each other almost as ofton has spouses do it seems.

Yes, that's true. And I think if you look at the 3 headlines below, the Kercher one does not seem out of place:

In all 3, it presupposes a brewing conflict, personality clashes and disorders----while Knox MIGHT be innocent, it is not impossible that this scenario occurred as Crini conjectures.

Those who support Knox would do well to say, Yes, it could happen, but we don't think the evidence supports it: NOT No, absurd, could never happen.The first is logical, the second is folly.

Bowie State student stabbed to death by roommate -- after heated argument over an ipod

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-argument-ipod-article-1.957426#ixzz2lz3RUCTp

'Meredith Kercher Murdered over Toilet Cleaning Squabble’:
Prosecutor Alessandro Crini demands 30-year sentence for former US student over Perugia killing

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/5...-trial-florence-meredith-kercher-murdered.htm

Woman arrested for stabbing roommate with spear over conflict about saving electricity

http://www.abc27.com/story/21367071/police-woman-stabbed-roommate-with-decorative-spear

 

[Amber29]

Yes, that's true. And I think if you look at the 3 headlines below, the Kercher one does not seem out of place:

In all 3, it presupposes a brewing conflict, personality clashes and disorders----while Knox MIGHT be innocent, it is not impossible that this scenario occurred as Crini conjectures.

Those who support Knox would do well to say, Yes, it could happen, but we don't think the evidence supports it: NOT No, absurd, could never happen.The first is logical, the second is folly.



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-argument-ipod-article-1.957426#ixzz2lz3RUCTp


http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/5...-trial-florence-meredith-kercher-murdered.htm

http://www.abc27.com/story/21367071/police-woman-stabbed-roommate-with-decorative-spear

Thank you great post and I agree.

 

[otto]

previous thread:



1) it's natalee
2) victim blaming is acceptable in this thread?

I'm not blaming a victim, I'm saying the same thing that Natalie's mother is saying to schools all over the country: be careful when traveling in foreign countries. A foreign country is not a playground. Irresponsible use of illegal drugs and alcohol in a foreign country can and will result in serious consequences.

 

[otto]

semantics. each article clearly said there was an argument b/w the roommates. just b/c the reporter didn't include that info in his article does not negate the point.

Sure, let's leave it at this with this case as well. There was an argument that resulted in murder.

 

[MichaelSmith]

Regarding this website: http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/ almost every single statement (sentence) is referenced with a link to an independent source. How is possible that a fully referenced document, where each sentence is referenced, completely wrong, but an online translation of a legal document is accurate? Anyone that is fluent in more than one language would never use an online translation because they have first hand knowledge of how completely inaccurate the translations are.

The reference links don't work. The witness summaries are just his own spin about was said and he takes things out of context and twists peoples words to suit his agenda.

I'm not saying the actual translated transcripts aren't accurate although recently someone noticed Guede's Skype call was a little different on that site compared to the one on PMF.

In his summary for Francesco Sollecito he writes Raffaele had 2 knives on him at the police station when it was only his regular pocket.

One of the editors on the fake wiki is a man who claims to be Jesus Christ and the fake wiki blogger also posts on a forum run the same guy who claims to be Jesus Christ and can control the weather.

Like Chris said....buyer beware getting taken in by an anonymous blogger like this guy.

 

[otto]

The reference links don't work. The witness summaries are just his own spin about was said and he takes things out of context and twists peoples words to suit his agenda.

I'm not saying the actual translated transcripts aren't accurate although recently someone noticed Guede's Skype call was a little different on that site compared to the one on PMF.

In his summary for Francesco Sollecito he writes Raffaele had 2 knives on him at the police station when it was only his regular pocket.

One of the editors on the fake wiki is a man who claims to be Jesus Christ and the fake wiki blogger also posts on a forum run the same guy who claims to be Jesus Christ and can control the weather.

Like Chris said....buyer beware getting taken in by an anonymous blogger like this guy.

BBM

Sure they do. The references are numbered footnotes and the referenced footnotes are at the bottom of the page.

Each link works as it should

 

[SMK]

The reference links don't work. The witness summaries are just his own spin about was said and he takes things out of context and twists peoples words to suit his agenda.

I'm not saying the actual translated transcripts aren't accurate although recently someone noticed Guede's Skype call was a little different on that site compared to the one on PMF.

In his summary for Francesco Sollecito he writes Raffaele had 2 knives on him at the police station when it was only his regular pocket.

One of the editors on the fake wiki is a man who claims to be Jesus Christ and the anon blogger also posts on the forum run the same guy who claims to be Jesus Christ and can control the weather.

Like Chris said....buyer beware getting taken in by anonymous blogger like this guy.

The only thing which is worrisome to me:

I began poring over that murderwiki when Hellmann was overturned (don't ask me why; I had been pro-innocence since 2007).

The wiki is set up so expertly in its template, that I assumed it was a subset of Wikipedia, which has the most stringent editing standards. It also makes the claim that it is "an objective analysis". There is a section addressing members of the press. I read and read and my head was turned.

Then, Harmony (moderator here) told me it is only an opinion site. That it is backed by no objective authority and is not holding truth in checkmate.

I will admit, I was a bit taken aback. I began to hear complaints. Yes, it is disturbing. But the same complaints might be made of the Injustice in Perugia site (which I do still respect, despite many people's attempts to demonize Fisher et al ).: I still find merit in what I have read on the wiki--it is not disordered, and draws mainly from Massei. The truth lies somewhere between the two perhaps. One should read both sides: both sides' books, sites, etc. Then use logic, intuition, and court documents --and hope that the verdict, whether convictions upheld or annulled, will be a just one / lease: ETA: I have pored over that site obsessively, and I have never had a link or footnote number link which did not work.