Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#6

[redheadedgal]

ETA: I have pored over that site obsessively, and I have never had a link or footnote number link which did not work.

Sure they do. The references are numbered footnotes and the referenced footnotes are at the bottom of the page.

Each link works as it should

try the link to elisabetta lana's testimony... there's nothing there.

 

[redheadedgal]

Do you have links for those assertions. I missed that post.

i am not sure where on the site i saw the assertion, but you can google greg hampikian on TJMK and then search my posts for the same. it was a poster here who first mentioned that GH had distanced himself from the case so i went looking for real evidence. i found none, only proof of the opposite. and sorry, i can't recall the poster who said that was either, but it's here somewhere too.

 

[Myvice]

incorrect. charges, conviction, and sentence:



http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/01/amanda.knox.author/index.html

I see how that works. Mignini is guilty of corruption in the Knox trial because of a conviction in another trial.

Guede is guilty of breaking the window because he had been charged with that in the past.

Amanda is a confused child regardless that she too had been in trouble for throwing rocks.

 

[otto]

incorrect. charges, conviction, and sentence:



http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/01/amanda.knox.author/index.html

Have charges been re-filed?

Feb 5, 2013 4:01pm
"In November 2011, the Court of Appeal in Florence overturned Mignini’s conviction for lack of jurisdiction and referred the case to the prosecutor in Turin to decide whether to re-file the charges"

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/02/amanda-knoxs-slander-trial-moved-to-florence/

 

[SMK]

incorrect. charges, conviction, and sentence:



http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/01/amanda.knox.author/index.html

Why was his sentence suspended? Just wondering.

 

[otto]

i am not sure where on the site i saw the assertion, but you can google greg hampikian on TJMK and then search my posts for the same. it was a poster here who first mentioned that GH had distanced himself from the case so i went looking for real evidence. i found none, only proof of the opposite. and sorry, i can't recall the poster who said that was either, but it's here somewhere too.

Where's his presentation? All I could find was that he seems to think that he solved the murder of Meredith Kercher. I'd like more information on how he accomplished this.

 

[otto]

Why was his sentence suspended? Just wondering.

He was trying to solve a serial murder case. Is the complaint related to Spezi and Preston? If so, the complaint is retaliatory because the prosecutor didn't appreciate their interference in the investigation.

Here's a news flash: there is probably not a single prosecutor that has practiced for any length of time that has not had a complaint made against them. It's part of the job to have disgruntled criminals objecting to how prosecutors do their job.

 

[Yellow]

Logically, I think guilt stands or falls with the fact of staging/simulation, even making consideration of dna/blood/luminol/knife evidence - and even the clean up - less relevant.

For if the burglary and sexual assault were simulated (as has been set forth by the prosecution and ruled by Massei), then it can be inferred backwards that someone had an interest in doing this, and it was not likely to be Guede.

If AK and RS were present when MK was sexually assaulted (the evidence suggesting this, and only this, for no evidence suggests that either of them sexually assaulted the victim) then it can be deduced that it was the consciousness of this assault (having been present when it transpired) which would give them the idea to stage a sexual assault once the victim was deceased, (removing the bra with a knife, and pushing the shirt up) to mislead investigators about their presence, and to lead them to believe that a lone wolf and not a threesome were the perpetrators of ANY violence.

Furthermore, the staging of a breakin and burglary would again seem to lead away from Guede-as-lone-wolf and toward Knox and Sollecito.

If there was no staging/simulation, the rest goes falling down into nothing. And this must be concluded from determining facts such as if the bra was removed after or prior to death and if the rock was thrown from inside or outside the window. If I were on the jury, this would be my obsession right now, to rule out reasonable doubt.

I don't see how you could prove staging, and what difference would it make about the bra before or after death. RG could very well have sexually assaulted the victim after death and removed the bra. I also don't see how you could prove when the bra was removed.

I could see focusing on the break in as if it was proved that it was broken from the inside, that would be circumstantial evidence against AK. But I don't think the whole case comes down to staging and I also don't see how you could prove either way how the window was broken or in the absence of other evidence rule out that RG wanted to stage the break in or more accurately,make the scene look more like a burglary than it already was

Also, very coincidental that AK would use a rock to stage, given RG modus operandi. AK might be dumb but I don't think RS is, I think he would have staged it by going outside and hitting it outside.

 

[SMK]

Have charges been re-filed?

Feb 5, 2013 4:01pm
"In November 2011, the Court of Appeal in Florence overturned Mignini’s conviction for lack of jurisdiction and referred the case to the prosecutor in Turin to decide whether to re-file the charges"

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/02/amanda-knoxs-slander-trial-moved-to-florence/

I don't know, but apparently his role in the overturning of Hellmann has positioned him first in line for Prosecutor General of the Region of Umbria (or so says P Quenelle) As far as your mentioning of Spezi, isn't he once more in hot water? I thought I had heard this, although I have no judgments on the whole Monster of Florence case...it seems a sad business for all parties involved...

 

[SMK]

I don't see how you could prove staging, and what difference would it make about the bra before or after death. RG could very well have sexually assaulted the victim after death and removed the bra. I also don't see how you could prove when the bra was removed.

I could see focusing on the break in as if it was proved that it was broken from the inside, that would be circumstantial evidence against AK. But I don't think the whole case comes down to staging and I also don't see how you could prove either way how the window was broken or in the absence of other evidence rule out that RG wanted to stage the break in or more accurately,make the scene look more like a burglary than it already was

Also, very coincidental that AK would use a rock to stage, given RG modus operandi. AK might be dumb but I don't think RS is, I think he would have staged it by going outside and hitting it outside.

Well, the bra is only important insofar as if it was removed after death, then someone came back to do staging (the soaked strap showing she had laid on her side for some time). I don't know what to say about a rock at all. I don't see why either a burglar OR a simulator would use a rock: A window can be cut with a knife or glass cutter, or hit with a heavy object (like a hammer or a board)-- a rock is not what would come to my mind, whether thieving or staging....

 

[Yellow]

Of course we do. The argument that DNA is all over is simply wrong. There is no reason to swap every square inch of the cottage and rather impossible to do so. Thinking that 'something' is there because you didn't test it, is a desperate defensive attempt to distract from what is actually there. IMO.

No, I did mean every inch. But it is common to do control testing on random areas, this was not done, this likely could have resulted in mixed DNA profiles of Mk and the other roommates too.

 

[Yellow]

Well, the bra is only important insofar as if it was removed after death, then someone came back to do staging (the soaked strap showing she had laid on her side for some time). I don't know what to say about a rock at all. I don't see why either a burglar OR a simulator would use a rock: A window can be cut with a knife or glass cutter, or hit with a heavy object (like a hammer or a board)-- a rock is not what would come to my mind, whether thieving or staging....

I don't think we will ever be able to know what went on w that bra. It was photographed in numerous areas of the room and was not collected for 47 days. She obviously was raped or there was an attempted rape so why stage a sexual attack when there WAS a sexual attacK? I don't see how the bra has any relevance at all as to staging

And what you say about the Rock - that it is not an obvious choice - speaks to the fact that however the rock got there RG was probably involved bc how would AK and RS have known to use RG modus operandi unless RG was involved w them in suggesting the staging OR RG in fact came in during a attempted burglary using the same method he used in the past?

Especially if the window was broken from the inside. Where would the rock have come from? Would AK and RS have gone outside, get a rock and then throw it from inside? Why not just throw it from outside if they were outside anyway getting the rock?

Or do people think that Fiomella was a Rock collector and just had a rock handy in her room to throw a rock at the window and break from the inside? Where did this Rock come from?

I wonder if they did any testing to see if the rock matched ones outside the home. If so, if they had to go outside to get the rock, they would have thrown it from outside since they would be outside anyway getting the Rock. Thus it would be impossible to tell whether staging or burglar even if rock thrown from outside. Of course there would be more risk of getting seen throwing it from outside.

 

[otto]

I don't know, but apparently his role in the overturning of Hellmann has positioned him first in line for Prosecutor General of the Region of Umbria (or so says P Quenelle) As far as your mentioning of Spezi, isn't he once more in hot water? I thought I had heard this, although I have no judgments on the whole Monster of Florence case...it seems a sad business for all parties involved...

He is in trouble again, most likely for making false statements about the prosecutor's office.

 

[SMK]

I don't think we will ever be able to know what went on w that bra. It was photographed in numerous areas of the room and was not collected for 47 days. She obviously was raped or there was an attempted rape so why stage a sexual attack when there WAS a sexual attacK? I don't see how the bra has any relevance at all as to staging

And what you say about the Rock - that it is not an obvious choice - speaks to the fact that however the rock got there RG was probably involved bc how would AK and RS have known to use RG modus operandi unless RG was involved w them in suggesting the staging OR RG in fact came in during a attempted burglary using the same method he used in the past?

Especially if the window was broken from the inside. Where would the rock have come from? Would AK and RS have gone outside, get a rock and then throw it from inside? Why not just throw it from outside if they were outside anyway getting the rock?

Or do people think that Fiomella was a Rock collector and just had a rock handy in her room to throw a rock at the window and break from the inside? Where did this Rock come from?

I wonder if they did any testing to see if the rock matched ones outside the home. If so, if they had to go outside to get the rock, they would have thrown it from outside since they would be outside anyway getting the Rock. Thus it would be impossible to tell whether staging or burglar even if rock thrown from outside. Of course there would be more risk of getting seen throwing it from outside.

Well, this business with the bra, the stencil effect, the blood droplets, etc., was hugely, massively important in Massei, and I believe also in the Galati appeal. It revealed that someone had returned to move the victim many hours after death.

If Guede threw a huge rock at partially closed shutters and entered in that way, I don't know what to say. If ONLY surveillance cameras were everywhere: We would know if anyone entered there, we would see inside the cottage and know what occurred. I want to KNOW what happened,( you cannot be on the side of truth or justice if you don't know what happened) and I'm afraid I never will. :tantrum: ETA: And yes, the rock might have been thrown from the outside even in a simulation.

 

[Nova]

BBM
What does that mean ... "wanting to save face"? Is the suggestion that after Knox and Sollecito were arrested, the prosector's office was unable to back down even if there was no evidence? If that's the case, why was the prosecutor's office able to back down and release Patrick?

The defense was heard throughout the trial. They did not have to wait until the appeal to present a case.

Because Patrick's alibi left Mignini no choice but to release him. Even so it took 2 weeks.

You know this.

 

[Nova]

I see. The prosecutor's office is corrupt. We've heard that before, but there is no proof that it is true. It's merely another attempt to excuse Knox from participation in the murder by alleging that the Italian Justice system was corrupt when Patrick was released due to lack of evidence and Guede, Knox and Sollecito were arreseted based on evidence.

The corrupt prosecutor's office was eager to put Sollecito in jail because somehow this means the office saves face? I don't get it.

If RS were not connected to the murder, then his alibi for AK would have been nearly as solid as PL's. By naming RS as a co-conspirator, Mignini effectively negated the ability RS and AK to alibi one another.

I don't know that the Perugia prosecutor is "corrupt" in the sense that he decided to convict people he knew to be innocent. But it's clear that Mignini has an active imagination for "evil groups" and the sadistic murders they commit. He tried to make the death of MK fit his mold.

 

[Karmady]

incorrect. charges, conviction, and sentence:



http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/01/amanda.knox.author/index.html

Have y'all read monster of florence? great book. I really enjoyed it!

 

[Nova]

Drugs are drugs ... they mess up people's minds. There is a reason that drugs are illegal, and there is a reason that Sollecito swore off ever using drugs again after the night of the murder. knox and Sollecito admitted to using pot or hashish, but they are both proven liars, so there's no reason to believe this. It's quite possibly another self serving statement in the sense that pot explains their messed up memories, but it doesn't mean that they were so out of it that the drugs could be related to the murder.

Knox and Guede had partied together, Knox and Sollecito had partied together. There is no giant leap in terms of Knox partying with both at the same time.

1. All drugs are not the same. Some make people overly aggressive while others make users overly passive. All drugs are not the same even to the same user.

2. Few if any drugs "mess up people's minds" to the extent users become homicidal.

3. There are many reasons some drugs are illegal, but if the degree of damage were the criterion, then alcohol would be outlawed and pot would be legal.

3. By the standards you employ to call Ak and RS "known liars"<modsnip>. Personally, I think people make mistakes, particularly when they are under pressure. And, yes, sometimes people lie. But the idea that anyone tells the truth ALL the time or lies ALL the time is something we should have outgrown in 2nd grade.

4. Somehow you have concluded that AK and RS were BOTH stoned out of their minds and NOT stoned (because they are known liars). And both arguments are used as needed.

5. AK and RG met once or twice briefly. RS and RG had never met at all. Even AK and RS had only known each other for a couple of weeks. And yet you and PLE want us to believe they formed an on-the-spot conspiracy to murder a young woman that neither of them knew very well.

 

[Nova]

But if all this is SO absurd, why didn't the Italian Supreme court simply throw the case out?

Politics.

 

[Nova]

So perhaps the US student that was using the happy drug ecstasy when he stabbed his friend was lying about the drugs he used, or is there a possibility that happy, couch potato drugs can potentially lead to violence?

Or maybe one thing had nothing to do with the other. That's hardly a representative sampling.

Regardless, there is no evidence that RS and AK did ecstasy on the night of the murder.