Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#7

[Katody]

I disagree. If we are at the point of claiming that after the murder, Guede did not have blood on his shoes, then I think we have to throw out all the claims that because there is only one bloody shoe print that is the same size as Knox, Knox and Sollecito could not have been in the bedroom.

Who makes such claims? All the shoeprints in the bedroom are Guede's. And there's a lot of them.

Some are very faint and partial, like the ones on the pillow cover.
During the murder he stepped in blood, then trampled the pillow cover, leaving a lot of fainter and fainter prints on it. When he walked in his shoes to the bathroom which is right next to the bedroom he was already not leaving any visible traces.

he then removed his shoe, washed his pants, his foot got wet.
He stood on the bathmat, leaving the watered-down footprint.
Replaced his shoes and returned to the room.
At some moment later he dipped one of his shoes in blood. That's the trail that goes out of the room, along the corridor then disappears, fading to nothing in the kitchen.

 

[Katody]

I am not a liar. I read the testimony on the weekend and will post the link in a bit.

I'm not saying you are. You are just relying on mendacious propaganda instead of the primary sources.

 

[aa9511]

Well, well stated.

Although some here are annoyed that we continue to discuss this call , if one is psychologically-minded and intuitive, the truth pivots on this call.

What you have stated here is exactly the reason, for example, some detectives rely on intuition (they will come back to a point later if they have no logic to back it up, but they have 'flagged' it, as it were.)

Again: Bravo.

Thanks, SMK.

 

[Katody]

Why would anyone expect that when a prosecutor is cross examining a suspect druing trial, the prosecutor is going to feed the facts to the suspect? It is the responsibility of the suspect to present the facts.

I would expect the prosecutor to not tell outright lies. Like the one Comodi said when she claimed she has the 12:00 phone call on record.

 

[Sigh Sister]

Wasn't "forgetting" was used throughout the investigation? Why change that if she perceives that that is working for her.

Saying she forgot or couldn't remember didn't seem to work for her at all. Here we are on round three

 

[aa9511]

What time was the door broken down?

Geevee, IIRC it was like 1:25 or something like that?

maybe a little earlier then that...IDK off the top of my head....

 

[Katody]

If she had told the prosecutor what the content of the call was, we could rest these questions. But she didn't. Instead, she said she couldn't remember ever even making the call.

Exactly! Why didn't she?
'I called to tell there was a break-in, window is broken, traces of blood, Meredith's room locked, she's not responding.'

Why didn't she have a story prepared, 2 years after the crime and supposedly meticulously preparing herself for her testimony?

Makes no logical sense.

Unless this really was the contents of the phone call, just like Edda testified, and Amanda really had hard time remembering all the events of that shocking day.

 

[Amber29]

Who makes such claims? All the shoeprints in the bedroom are Guede's. And there's a lot of them.

Some are very faint and partial, like the ones on the pillow cover.
During the murder he stepped in blood, then trampled the pillow cover, leaving a lot of fainter and fainter prints on it. When he walked in his shoes to the bathroom which is right next to the bedroom he was already not leaving any visible traces.

he then removed his shoe, washed his pants, his foot got wet.
He stood on the bathmat, leaving the watered-down footprint.
Replaced his shoes and returned to the room.
At some moment later he dipped one of his shoes in blood. That's the trail that goes out of the room, along the corridor then disappears, fading to nothing in the kitchen.

How does the rest of the blood get all over the bathroom? He used the sink,bidet, and toilet?

Do you not think if there had been blood on his shoes that luminal would reveal his path to the bathroom even if the prints weren't visible?

 

[Myvice]

If it's me that changed the discussion, I apologize. It was just that Harmony2 had responded to me with a pic of a bloody footprint by the bed to suggest Guede had sat down to take off his shoes there. To me, the photo looked like the footprint was walking past the bed rather than from someone seated on the bed.

I was really just responding to Harmony2 but it was from the last thread so I couldn't quote it. I really am sorry : (

 

[Sigh Sister]

I don't remember even who started it now. I thought the original poster is still part of the discussion?

The call was brought up in post # 851 in thread number 6. A poster on the first page of this thread responded and it took off from there.

 

[aa9511]

Thanks for making it a little clearer to me how you try to "connect the dots". As far as I know she never "denied" making the phone call. She simply said she didn't remember it. There is a difference.

When the ONLY things a suspect "doesn't remember" are those which might contribute to them looking guilty, while at the same time having seemingly perfectly clear memory to remember all sorts of minute details which help them to look innocent...................................then there is a problem. "We have a problem."

 

[Amber29]

If it's me that changed the discussion, I apologize. It was just that Harmony2 had responded to me with a pic of a bloody footprint by the bed to suggest Guede had sat down to take off his shoes there. To me, the photo looked like the footprint was walking past the bed rather than from someone seated on the bed.

I was really just responding to Harmony2 but it was from the last thread so I couldn't quote it. I really am sorry : (

It is no worries the phone call has been hashed out past the point it can, only so much can be said.

 

[aa9511]

We just talked about this yesterday or the day before. :floorlaugh: :escape:

SighSister, this happens daily. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Coldpizza]

There are many new members, posters and readers that may have not read the numerous threads prior to this one and are new to this case. Please be mindful and respectful of that if old discussions are brought up. Scroll and roll if need be...

Thank you

 

[Katody]

How does the rest of the blood get all over the bathroom? He used the sink,bidet, and toilet?

And the light switch and also brushed his bloody pants at the edge of the door. What's the problem?

Do you not think if there had been blood on his shoes that luminal would reveal his path to the bathroom even if the prints weren't visible?

I seriously doubt it. Prints in the murder room show only one of his shoes was bloody and the prints on the pillowcase were very faint and partial. I believe that was the situation when he walked out to the bathroom. I wouldn't expect anything given that the pillowcase is absorbent and the floor is not.

 

[otto]

Who makes such claims? All the shoeprints in the bedroom are Guede's. And there's a lot of them.

Some are very faint and partial, like the ones on the pillow cover.
During the murder he stepped in blood, then trampled the pillow cover, leaving a lot of fainter and fainter prints on it. When he walked in his shoes to the bathroom which is right next to the bedroom he was already not leaving any visible traces.

he then removed his shoe, washed his pants, his foot got wet.
He stood on the bathmat, leaving the watered-down footprint.
Replaced his shoes and returned to the room.
At some moment later he dipped one of his shoes in blood. That's the trail that goes out of the room, along the corridor then disappears, fading to nothing in the kitchen.

I believe Crini mentioned the print on the pillow and attributed it to Knox, however the Massei report does not rule on the print, instead stating that Knox was barefoot, as evidenced by her barefoot prints elsewhere in the crime scene.

 

[aa9511]

The simplicity of it is subjective, for sure
Let's assume she remembered the call perfectly well and she said very very incriminating things in it.
Why would she pretend not remembering it in the courtroom? It doesn't make any sense. She would have readily corrected Comodi's falsehood and told some prepared made up story, coordinated with what her mother testified.
Doesn't add up.

Well, for one, she had already told her mom she didn't remember it. And when she was talking to her mom, at that point she probably hadn't had time to think up a story, and she really didn't need to think up a story just to please, or convince, her mom. Which at that point (and still now), only her mom knew the details. No one else knew. She didn't need to make up a story, her mom was already on her side. She could explain "everything" to her mom once she got out of there and then they could talk in private and go over everything. I'm sure she has since thought up a story to appease her mom regarding that conversation, but that's a whole 'nother discussion.

She couldn't "remember" it when she was talking to her mom in that conversation regarding the phone call, because then the details would have come out and prosecutors would have heard about what was said in the phone call. Which she didn't want. She had to "unremember" it so as to avoid the topic altogether.

So she couldn't all of a sudden, come up with a "story" and remember everythign she had un-remembered previously. That would look even more suspicious, not remembering something a week after it happens, but suddenly remembering the details of it much later.

 

[otto]

I would expect the prosecutor to not tell outright lies. Like the one Comodi said when she claimed she has the 12:00 phone call on record.

Let's take the case of Jason Young. He claimed that he was hundreds of miles away at the time of the murder. Should the prosecutor ask what he was doing when he was hundreds of miles away, or should the prosecutor ask him why he switched shoes during the murder? The answer is obvious, and that is how it works when a prosecutor cross examines a murder suspect like Knox.

 

[Sigh Sister]

It is no worries the phone call has been hashed out past the point it can, only so much can be said.

I feel like everything in this case has been beaten into the ground, but this is a discussion board where opinions are sharply divided. Unless new information is released, we will continue to ride the merry-go-round. Of course there is always the option to not participate in discussions that one finds annoying, boring, or decided. I know I have exercised these options!

 

[Sigh Sister]

SighSister, this happens daily. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

I know. I was just teasing Otto. :seeya: