Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#7

[sherlockh]

if it was very clearly RS's print, it wouldn't still be discussed 6 years later :twocents:

Oh I am sure it would. It took years till everybody was ready to accept that Sollecito's DNA is on the bra clasp so few more years for the footprint maybe?

 

[sherlockh]

I'm learning so much about DNA and how easily it's transferred that I have to ask a question. I don't believe this happened but here's a scenario and sorry to be so graphic.

If Guede had seen Merideth on Halloween and touched her hands, then she had gone home and inserted a tampon, could she have transferred his DNA inside of her?

It is a lot easier. Guede was friends with Meredith's boyfriend. That is all you need. A connection. I wonder why his lawyers didn't think of that

 

[Harmony 2]

In photo B, is that the lamp crossing the upper left corner of the photo?

photo B?

 

[otto]

No one is going to dictate the direction of the topic so no need to apologize. As long as we remain within the parameters of TOS we are free to discuss any topic. Moreover, no one's theory or opinion is superior to others, we are all on equal ground.

Regarding the footprints, considering that all the footprints were from Rudy's left shoe how do you explain placard 'B' in front of the bed? If he was walking toward the door wouldn't his right foot be adjacent to the bed?

link for attachments:

http://www.injusticeinperugia.com/PhotoGallery5.html

Thanks. I wanted to visualize all three photos together, so I put them together. I also enhanced the red to hopefully make it easier to see the prints. I'm not sure what I'm looking at. Is there a print of the bottom of Guede's shoes that we can look at the same time for comparison?

 

[otto]

photo B?

The photo with the B on it corresponding to the spot on the floor with the B?

 

[Chris_Halkides]

Here is the link that it came from.

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index..._testify_those_devils_that_lurk_in_the_detai/

It is from the transcript.

Go down to number three on the page.

truejustice: "Edda: Okay, you called me first to tell me about some things that had shocked you. But this happened before anything really happened in the house."

From Katody's post upthread (which apparently comes from Galati's appeal): "M): Yes, but this happened before anything had really happened, besides the house..." (bolding mine)

Both put the qualifier (really) in front of the word "happened." That changes the meaning. The really big thing that happened was finding Meredith's body, and so IMO Edda is saying in effect, "What had bothered you enough to call me prior to Meredith's body being discovered?"

The difference between the two "besides" versus "in" is interesting. It seems to me that in the second version Edda is thinking out loud and beginning to answer her own question, "Yes there was some reason to call; the house had been disturbed." MOO.

 

[otto]

If the prints were wiped clean from Knox's bathmat shuffle, was the bottom of the mat tested for blood?

 

[aa9511]

Nope. He never claimed that. Raffaele never saw it. Amanda had told him about it but he looked in her bathroom and didn't see it.

ETA: Amanda first noticed the crap after her shower.

I was talking about the broken window. You said Amanda didn't see the broken window until she came back to the cottage the second time.

And I love how we are taking Amanda's, Raffaelo's, and even sometimes Rudy's words as given, certain truths.

IMO, what the suspects and convicted in a case say should be taken within the context of the situation they're in.

I have seen over and over again, people say "amanda did this," "amanda did that"......failing to say it's what she claims she did.

Maybe this is a big reason why we seem to interpret things so differently.

 

[otto]

truejustice: "Edda: Okay, you called me first to tell me about some things that had shocked you. But this happened before anything really happened in the house."

From Katody's post upthread (which apparently comes from Galati's appeal): "M): Yes, but this happened before anything had really happened, besides the house..." (bolding mine)

Both put the qualifier (really) in front of the word "happened." That changes the meaning. The really big thing that happened was finding Meredith's body, and so IMO Edda is saying in effect, "What had bothered you enough to call me prior to Meredith's body being discovered?"

The difference between the two "besides" versus "in" is interesting. It seems to me that in the second version Edda is thinking out loud and beginning to answer her own question, "Yes there was some reason to call; the house had been disturbed." MOO.

Yes, Edda can surmise why Knox would have been shocked, and so can we, but a shocked person does something about it. A shocked person does not proceed to have a shower with the front door unlocked (since the wind blew it open), but on that morning she did. A shocked person does not do the bathmat boogie (bloody footprint on the bathmat) down the corridor facing the front door, naked, to get towels. A shocked person does not see and do all of this, and actually be shocked.

Knox did not call her due to the shock that her mother and we perceive. Knox had lunch and mopped Sollecito's floor before she did anything about her "shock". Two and a half hours later, she phoned her mom, with the only difference being that Meredith's body had not yet been found.

 

[otto]

I was talking about the broken window. You said Amanda didn't see the broken window until she came back to the cottage the second time.

And I love how we are taking Amanda's, Raffaelo's, and even sometimes Rudy's words as given, certain truths.

IMO, what the suspects and convicted in a case say should be taken within the context of the situation they're in.

I have seen over and over again, people say "amanda did this," "amanda did that"......failing to say it's what she claims she did.

Maybe this is a big reason why we seem to interpret things so differently.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you have the opportunity to skim Knox's book recently and wasn't one of the points that Knox stated that she saw the broken window during her first morning visit at the cottage? Did Filomina know about the broken window before she arrived?

 

[MichaelSmith]

I was talking about the broken window. You said Amanda didn't see the broken window until she came back to the cottage the second time.

And I love how we are taking Amanda's, Raffaelo's, and even sometimes Rudy's words as given, certain truths.

IMO, what the suspects and convicted in a case say should be taken within the context of the situation they're in.

I have seen over and over again, people say "amanda did this," "amanda did that"......failing to say it's what she claims she did.

Maybe this is a big reason why we seem to interpret things so differently.

My mistake although you didn't state you were referring to the broken window.

 

[aa9511]

You are entitled to whatever "gut feeling" you chose to have. I can't argue with anyone's "gut feeling". In my opinion, however, no one should be convicted of a crime based on someone's "gut feeling". I believe that the poster I was originally responding to appreciates that.

Thank you. I appreciate it too. However, my feelings about this case are not going to convict Amanda or Raffaelo, so I find it interesting how myself or other "pro-guilt" posters are always being accused of throwing Amanda in prison or "convicting" based on our feelings.

I didn't know my feelings were so powerful, that they can affect 2 people I've never met and somehow imprison them wrongfully and take away their liberties.

I should really look into this "power" of mine.

 

[Harmony 2]

In photo B, is that the lamp crossing the upper left corner of the photo?

I think it is the edge of the bed.

 

[otto]

Thank you. I appreciate it too. However, my feelings about this case are not going to convict Amanda or Raffaelo, so I find it interesting how myself or other "pro-guilt" posters are always being accused of throwing Amanda in prison or "convicting" based on our feelings.

I didn't know my feelings were so powerful, that they can affect 2 people I've never met and somehow imprison them wrongfully and take away their liberties.

I should really look into this "power" of mine.

I don't think a Supreme Court makes gut reaction decisions either.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

I'm learning so much about DNA and how easily it's transferred that I have to ask a question. I don't believe this happened but here's a scenario and sorry to be so graphic.

If Guede had seen Merideth on Halloween and touched her hands, then she had gone home and inserted a tampon, could she have transferred his DNA inside of her?

It is unlikely unless she did not wash her hands in the interim. I seem to recall a study that showed that if a man and a woman held hands and then the man urinated soon afterwards, her DNA could sometimes transfer to his penis. They may have studied the effect of hand washing, but the details have slipped my mind.

I don't have that citation handy, but this link describes a similar phenomenon. There is one difference: the results from this case suggest either that washing one's hands will not remove all DNA, which is surprising, or that the defendant was mistaken about whether or not he washed. In any case there is no reason to believe Guede's tale of having met Meredith (you don't seem to believe it, either, unless I am mistaken).

 

[otto]

I was talking about the broken window. You said Amanda didn't see the broken window until she came back to the cottage the second time.

And I love how we are taking Amanda's, Raffaelo's, and even sometimes Rudy's words as given, certain truths.

IMO, what the suspects and convicted in a case say should be taken within the context of the situation they're in.

I have seen over and over again, people say "amanda did this," "amanda did that"......failing to say it's what she claims she did.

Maybe this is a big reason why we seem to interpret things so differently.

Sollecito reported that Filomina's door was open when he arrived. Knox would have passed the open door four times during her first visit. Did two of Meredith's friends testify that Knox announced several things at the police station, including that she found the body, that it was near the wardrobe, that Meredith slowly bled to death, and that she saw the broken window during her first visit?

 

[aa9511]

Is the implication that no record of a fine means that Knox did not fail to fulfill small bathroom cleaning responsibilities?

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[aa9511]

i know, eh?

plus, if MK was angry over poo left by RG, wouldn't she be mad at him, not amanda? it's just not logical.

i saw this recently and it sums this up well: something smells in poo-rugia, and it ain't the smell of chocolate !

bbm

Hmm....wonder where that was seen? Couldn't have been some pro-innocence website or blog or something, could it?

 

[Myvice]

It is unlikely unless she did not wash her hands in the interim. I seem to recall a study that showed that if a man and a woman held hands and then the man urinated, her DNA could sometimes transfer to his penis. They may have studied the effect of hand washing, but the details have slipped my mind.

I don't have that citation handy, but this link describes a similar phenomenon. There is one difference: the results from this case suggest either that washing one's hands will not remove all DNA, which is surprising, or that the defendant was mistaken about whether or not he washed. In any case there is no reason to believe Guede's tale of having met Meredith (you don't seem to believe it, either, unless I am mistaken).

You're correct, I don't believe that happened.

I'm just fascinated how scientific things can be interpreted in so many ways, much like statistics.

 

[aa9511]

I'm learning so much about DNA and how easily it's transferred that I have to ask a question. I don't believe this happened but here's a scenario and sorry to be so graphic.

If Guede had seen Merideth on Halloween and touched her hands, then she had gone home and inserted a tampon, could she have transferred his DNA inside of her?

I don't believe he would even have had to touch her hands. He could have sneezed into his hands, then he touched the doorknob to open the door when he was leaving, and then Meredith also could have touched the same doorknob, and the DNA transferred that way.

No direct contact even involved.

Just a scenario, too, obviously.