Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#7

[aa9511]

Oh I am sure it would. It took years till everybody was ready to accept that Sollecito's DNA is on the bra clasp so few more years for the footprint maybe?

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[aa9511]

truejustice: "Edda: Okay, you called me first to tell me about some things that had shocked you. But this happened before anything really happened in the house."

From Katody's post upthread (which apparently comes from Galati's appeal): "M): Yes, but this happened before anything had really happened, besides the house..." (bolding mine)

Both put the qualifier (really) in front of the word "happened." That changes the meaning. The really big thing that happened was finding Meredith's body, and so IMO Edda is saying in effect, "What had bothered you enough to call me prior to Meredith's body being discovered?"

The difference between the two "besides" versus "in" is interesting. It seems to me that in the second version Edda is thinking out loud and beginning to answer her own question, "Yes there was some reason to call; the house had been disturbed." MOO.

If she had 8 days to think about it and couldn't figure out it might have been because of the "burglary signs," then there is a problem.

Basically what is happening is Edda is completely minimizing the "signs of burglary" that Amanda noticed.

Now why would that be?

 

[aa9511]

If the prints were wiped clean from Knox's bathmat shuffle, was the bottom of the mat tested for blood?

IDK, that is an excellent point.

 

[Myvice]

I don't believe he would even have had to touch her hands. He could have sneezed into his hands, then he touched the doorknob to open the door when he was leaving, and then Meredith also could have touched the same doorknob, and the DNA transferred that way.

No direct contact even involved.

Just a scenario, too, obviously.

It really is interesting because most people wouldn't wash their hands until after inserting it, lol. Something to remember! I'd hate to have hubs find someone else's DNA where it shouldn't be. Lot's 'splainin' over that, I'm sure!

 

[otto]

IDK, that is an excellent point.

If there's blood on the bottom of the mat, it does raise the question of how it got there ... bathmat boogie? ... no blood on the bottom of the bath mat doesn't mean anything?

 

[aa9511]

Sollecito reported that Filomina's door was open when he arrived. Knox would have passed the open door four times during her first visit. Did two of Meredith's friends testify that Knox announced several things at the police station, including that she found the body, that it was near the wardrobe, that Meredith slowly bled to death, and that she saw the broken window during her first visit?

There seems to be a lot of confusion for her regarding this broken window, that's for sure.

 

[otto]

There seems to be a lot of confusion for her regarding this broken window, that's for sure.

Conflicting testimony surrounding when Knox first noticed the broken window is difficult to sort out. Two witnesses say one thing, Knox says another. Filomina was aware of the broken window at some point, but when? Was it before or after Sollecito saw the window, at the same time, or after Filomina arrived?

Did she tell Fiomina about the broken window after she arrived at the cottage with Sollecito, so some time between 12:30 and 12:46? Was this call made before or after the Postal Police arrived?

 

[Myvice]

I was looking for the pic that showed the bathroom after they sprayed the luminol but can't find it. Was there much blood on the floor?

 

[MichaelSmith]

I was looking for the pic that showed the bathroom after they sprayed the luminol but can't find it. Was there much blood on the floor?

Amanda Knox - Bathroom Fallacy - What Amanda Really Saw - YouTube

 

[otto]

I was looking for the pic that showed the bathroom after they sprayed the luminol but can't find it. Was there much blood on the floor?

Check the dailymail website.

 

[aa9511]

It really is interesting because most people wouldn't wash their hands until after inserting it, lol. Something to remember! I'd hate to have hubs find someone else's DNA where it shouldn't be. Lot's 'splainin' over that, I'm sure!

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Lots of women everywhere have a lot of explaining to do!! LOL!

If only they knew what's really going on behind their backs.....we're committing DNA-adultery.

 

[aa9511]

If there's blood on the bottom of the mat, it does raise the question of how it got there ... bathmat boogie? ... no blood on the bottom of the bath mat doesn't mean anything?

Otto, sometimes I feel like you already know the answers to the questions you ask. Like you're trying to get us to see some obvious point through your questions, so we will understand the logic behind it.

:fence:

I'm not sure, maybe I'm just "reading" you all wrong......

 

[redheadedgal]

In really complex cases, analysts need to be able to draw a line and say "This is just too complex, I can't make the call on it," says Butler. "Part of the challenge now, is that every lab has that line set at a different place. But the honest thing to do as a scientist is to say: I'm not going to try to get something that won't be reliable."

In the wake of the Hoey case, Belfast-based solicitor Peter Corrigan of Kevin Winters and Company has routinely sought access to the lab reports behind the DNA evidence presented in court, which has resulted in four successful challenges. "The underlying data had never been subject to any court scrutiny," he says. "Defence experts were trusting that the scientists had interpreted the data correctly. This perpetuated the myth that DNA is infallible."

Peter Gill of the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow, UK, a former analyst at the UK's Forensic Science Service, admits that there is a problem. "There's a considerable lack of understanding, not just from the public, but from the judges and lawyers."

http://www.geneticsandsociety.org/article.php?id=5339


Stop withholding evidence, judge orders Amanda Knox prosecution (2011): http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2...evidence-judge-tells-amanda-knox-prosecution/


does anyone know if stephanoni ever provided her reports as requested?

 

[Myvice]

otto:

Is this it?

http://perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=21&image_id=1657

 

[sherlockh]

If there's blood on the bottom of the mat, it does raise the question of how it got there ... bathmat boogie? ... no blood on the bottom of the bath mat doesn't mean anything?

It was in the Hellmann report that professor Vinci found some blood on the bottom of the bathmat. This was used to support Knox's bathmat boogie story, and the lack of footprints leading to the bathroom, as if Knox had wiped them all up with the bathmat and left a perfectly clean floor.

 

[aa9511]

http://www.geneticsandsociety.org/article.php?id=5339


Stop withholding evidence, judge orders Amanda Knox prosecution (2011): http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2...evidence-judge-tells-amanda-knox-prosecution/


does anyone know if stephanoni ever provided her reports as requested?

If no one but the prosecution has seen these test results and paperwork, then how come we go through pages and pages of DNA-analysis on this forum alone.

How is it that so many scientists' opinions/assessments of the DNA in this case are linked to on here pretty much every day? Are they just "imagining" the results, and then writing about their imaginings?

So these random scientists have seen the results, but Amanda's own defense team has not?

:scared::scared:

 

[otto]

Otto, sometimes I feel like you already know the answers to the questions you ask. Like you're trying to get us to see some obvious point through your questions, so we will understand the logic behind it.

:fence:

I'm not sure, maybe I'm just "reading" you all wrong......

In this case, I suppose so. Knox claims that she did the bathmat boogie naked from the bathroom down the hall to her bedroom, fully aware of the fact that there was a bloody print on the bathmat and that the front door might blow open at any second. That her roommate, with tidy expectation, leaked menstrual fluid, leaving a bloody footprint on the bathroom, and blood on the light switch, on the faucet ... seemed reasonable to her?

Anyway, let's have her scootching down the hallway on the bathmat. If prints from the bathroom to Meredith's bedroom are missing, perhaps they were wiped up by the bathmat boogie?

If they weren't wiped up by the bath mat boogie (no blood on the bottom of the bath mat), then where are the prints leading from the body to the bathroom to get towels, back to the body to give aid, back to the bathroom to wash clothes, back to the bedroom to search the purse, and then down the corridor to the exit?

 

[redheadedgal]

If no one but the prosecution has seen these test results and paperwork, then how come we go through pages and pages of DNA-analysis on this forum alone.

How is it that so many scientists' opinions/assessments of the DNA in this case are linked to on here pretty much every day? Are they just "imagining" the results, and then writing about their imaginings?

So these random scientists have seen the results, but Amanda's own defense team has not?

i never said no one but the prosecution has seen the results... was that the takeaway? results and what hellman requested are two completely different things from my understanding...

are you affirming that stefanoni's reports were provided as requested? do you have a link?

 

[otto]

It was in the Hellmann report that professor Vinci found some blood on the bottom of the bathmat. This was used to support Knox's bathmat boogie story, and the lack of footprints leading to the bathroom, as if Knox had wiped them all up with the bathmat and left a perfectly clean floor.

Thank you. Guede would have made four trips between Meredith's bedroom and the bathroom if we believe that he got towels and he washed his clothes. If he only got towels, there would be fewer prints. If he didn't get towels, there would be no prints. There are no prints. If Knox boogied down the hall on the bath mat, there would be blood on the bottom of the bathmat, but this would not remove luminol evidence of prints.

However, it doesn't end there. After having her boogie on the bathmat to her bedroom, we have her standing barefoot in front of Meredith's bedroom door, but now she has fruit pulp, iron rich water, or bleach on the bottoms of her feet.

 

[otto]

i never said no one but the prosecution has seen the results... was that the takeaway? results and what hellman requested are two completely different things from my understanding...

are you affirming that stefanoni's reports were provided as requested? do you have a link?

The defense alleged that they did not have all the information, however they were invited to attend all testing of all DNA. If Balding reviewed Conti and Vecchioti's work, then he had all the paperwork, as did the defense