Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#7

[Sigh Sister]

Those are only the prints that were on the pillow. There were other prints that Guede left in the room as well. As far as I can tell the prints on the pillow only correspond to the shoe imprint that has been identified as Guede. I have seen on that same sight another print that was claimed to have been attributed to RS, however his shoe imprints do not match up with Guede's and IMO do not match the impression. However, IMO, Guede's shoe imprint does match the impression.

I'm pretty sure in was definitively decided to be Guede 's. I don't think the prosecution is even stating that it's Raffaele's anymore, are they?

 

[TorisMom003]

Addendum: I took it from the murderwiki, believing it was trustworthy. (GRRRRR)

Unfortunately that happens, thinking that a site is to be believed only to find out that perhaps it shouldn't be. Please don't worry about it. This case has provided fodder for many sites to post many claims. It proves difficult to really know what to believe and what to question.

 

[Katody]

Thank you. If I understand correctly, there is a discrepancy between what was said in the wiretap, and how that was restated during trial? I suppose, in a sense, both would now be accurate since the original discussion was restated or confirmed during trial. I suppose that more of the content and meaning has been lost in translation, and that probably explains why there is still so much debate six years after the murder.

I don't know about any discrepancy. There's just a made up manipulated transcript posted by someone on some website.

The actual transcript is available in court documents, both in Italian and in translation.

 

[TorisMom003]

I'm pretty sure in was definitively decided to be Guede 's. I don't think the prosecution is even stating that it's Raffaele's anymore, are they?

At this point I no longer know what the prosecution is still claiming or stating. It seems that they are continuing to change their position on a frequent basis. I only know that at one point the prosecution had claimed that RS made at least one shoe imprint in Meredith's room even though the imprint clearly matched Guede's shoe imprint instead.

 

[Sigh Sister]

There is also the pillow case print that the prosecution argued belonged to Knox on the basis that the size of the print is consistent with her shoe size. The defense argued that the print belonged to Guede and it appeared smaller than his other prints because the fabric was folded when the print was made. Massei did not rule on that print, instead stating that Knox was barefoot based on her barefoot prints in the crime scene.

I remember you posting awhile back that her shoe size is a 35 ( which is equivalent to US size 5-5.5). Is that what the prosecution claimed her size was? I just read today that her shoe size is actually a 39.

 

[SMK]

I don't know about any discrepancy. There's just a made up manipulated transcript posted by someone on some website.

The actual transcript is available in court documents, both in Italian and in translation.

I actually did not know this; thanks for telling me.

I was relying on the translations of TJMK/PMF (which they posted on themurderofmeredithkercherdotcom WIKI ).

But if there are going to be things added (assuming the sentence in question truly does not appear in court transcripts at all) then it is wise to go to the original source (translated).

Thanks very kindly. SMK

 

[SMK]

I remember you posting awhile back that her shoe size is a 35 ( which is equivalent to US size 5-5.5). Is that what the prosecution claimed her size was? I just read today that her shoe size is actually a 39.

Do you mean MK's or AK's? In any case, 5 - 5 1/2 would be a very tiny foot for either girl (I would think 7 is more the norm).

 

[otto]

I don't know about any discrepancy. There's just a made up manipulated transcript posted by someone on some website.

The actual transcript is available in court documents, both in Italian and in translation.

Thanks for filling in the blanks. I find it a bit of a concern that facts are manipulated just a bit, with the result being that the interpretation is significantly different.

 

[Sigh Sister]

This link says the shoe print was a 37. It goes on to explain that in fact all of the prints belonged to Guede

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/footprints-04.html

 

[otto]

At this point I no longer know what the prosecution is still claiming or stating. It seems that they are continuing to change their position on a frequent basis. I only know that at one point the prosecution had claimed that RS made at least one shoe imprint in Meredith's room even though the imprint clearly matched Guede's shoe imprint instead.

That claim was only made in the first few days after the arrest. That print was interpretted as belonging to Sollecito and supported his arrest. Shortly thereafter, it was determined that the print did not belong to Sollecito and the prosecution did not argue that it belonged to Sollecito during trial. Because of the size, the prosecution attributed that print to Knox.

 

[otto]

I remember you posting awhile back that her shoe size is a 35 ( which is equivalent to US size 5-5.5). Is that what the prosecution claimed her size was? I just read today that her shoe size is actually a 39.

I don't remember exactly, but it's in Massei. I think they said that the print was between 37 and 39, and that her shoe size is 38.

 

[Sigh Sister]

Do you mean MK's or AK's? In any case, 5 - 5 1/2 would be a very tiny foot for either girl (I would think 7 is more the norm).

Yeah, it is tiny, but I looked it up and the prosecution claimed it was a women's 37

 

[Katody]

There are shoe prints of Guede missing in his trail unless he jumped around. I am not aware of any shoe print to the bathroom or a Luminol shoe print.

Which print is missing and where?

 

[otto]

This link says the shoe print was a 37. It goes on to explain that in fact all of the prints belonged to Guede

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/footprints-04.html

Quite right. Massei Report, page 333, a print size 36 or 38 is attributed to Knox, who has shoe size 37.

All the other prints are attributed to Guede.

Page 344, the court does not draw any conclusions about the size 37 shoe print, and then mentions that Knox moved through the crime scene bare foot.

 

[otto]

Which print is missing and where?

My understanding is that there are more prints from one shoe than the other, and that there is no print trail from the blood to the prints near the end of the bed (near the door).

 

[Katody]

There are shoe prints of Guede missing in his trail unless he jumped around. I am not aware of any shoe print to the bathroom or a Luminol shoe print.

1. Supposed luminol shoeprint (impronta da calzatura), page 19 of Rinaldi's report:

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/rinaldi1.pdf

2. Bloody shoe print of Rudy Guede in the hallway between Meredith's door and bathroom is marked with large number "3" placard in the crime scene photos. I'm not saying it's heading to the bathroom. I'm saying it's there, negating any hypothesis that there was cleanup of this area.

 

[Sigh Sister]

I've been wondering about the shard of glass found in Meredith's room. I never noticed it until Amber posted a pic showing it. It's above evidence marker K:

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=21&image_id=3963

( sorry. I don't know how to do thumbnails)

Has this been discussed before? Was there any glass broken in Meredith's room? If not, how did it get there?

 

[TorisMom003]

I've been wondering about the shard of glass found in Meredith's room. I never noticed it until Amber posted a pic showing it. It's above evidence marker K:

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=21&image_id=3963

( sorry. I don't know how to do thumbnails)

Has this been discussed before? Was there any glass broken in Meredith's room? If not, how did it get there?

I believe that is the metal stand that holds the placard up. If you look at other crime scene photos you will notice that most, if not all, of them have a metal stand.

 

[Sigh Sister]

I believe that is the metal stand that holds the placard up. If you look at other crime scene photos you will notice that most, if not all, of them have a metal stand.

I do believe you are right. Thanks!

 

[otto]

I've been wondering about the shard of glass found in Meredith's room. I never noticed it until Amber posted a pic showing it. It's above evidence marker K:

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=21&image_id=3963

( sorry. I don't know how to do thumbnails)

Has this been discussed before? Was there any glass broken in Meredith's room? If not, how did it get there?

I tried altering the color to see if that line would take on the appearance of glass, or change color, but I can't make out if it's a string or glass.

(ref: same as upthread when image first posted)