Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#9

[Myvice]

Yes, I got that it was an opinion. I think sometimes people don't agree with your opinion, so then asking facts when it's clearly your opinion.

To me it seems like always keeping someone on the defensive.

 

[otto]

And yet she is free as is RS. How can it be that she is a convicted murderer who's appeal was annulled and be on trial yet again to find her guilty?

Italian law is funny that way. Additionally, it is not unheard of for a convicted murderer to be released during appeal. In this case, we know that the pair were released on the basis of a faulty, now annulled, court ruling. The C&V report has been labelled as shoddy. We are all well aware of the fact that, due to the circumstances, Knox and Sollecito remain free during this appeal of their murder convictions. If their conviction is overturned, it's all over. If their conviction is confirmed, they will be rounded up again and placed in prison to serve their sentences.

We'll have to wait until January to see how it goes.

 

[otto]

LOL! I love that!

Mozart's Magic Flute is appropriate for Christmas, but this debate also has that feeling of a duet, back and forth. Papagena and Papageno still love each other, even though they have difficulties understanding each other.

 

[quesarita]

I think she's probably too busy torturing kittens and eating babies to follow a fast moving thread like this one.

Made me laugh! Thanks for that! JMO!!!

 

[aa9511]

To me it seems like always keeping someone on the defensive.

Yes, that too.

 

[aa9511]

Mozart's Magic Flute is appropriate for Christmas, but this debate also has that feeling of a duet, back and forth. Papagena and Papageno still love each other, even though they have difficulties understanding each other.

message too short, so just adding words.

 

[otto]

This is for those that are fluent in Italian

http://multimedia.quotidiano.net/vi...ga-del-legale-della-famiglia-kercher-na-56534

 

[otto]

Tomorrow we start with the arguments presented by the lawyers for Knox. I'm looking forward to it ... in part because I'm curious as too how much of the defense argument is actually presented on forums.

 

[otto]

I'm curious about something. In the Jason Young trial (NC) there was a civil ruling independent of a criminal ruling. The civil ruling came first. I'm wondering if Italian law permits that someone can be found responsible for the death and not be found guilty - like OJ Simpson. That is, can the fine of €25M be awarded even if they are deemed not guilty? Guede is guilty, so he can be fined, but what about Knox/Sollecito. Perhaps, in hearing both cases simultaneously, the upside is that the ruling can be one or the other, but not both - as we have seen in cases in the US. I don't know enough about Italian law, but having a simultaneous and consistent ruling seems far more just to me.

 

[Amber29]

Tomorrow we start with the arguments presented by the lawyers for Knox. I'm looking forward to it ... in part because I'm curious as too how much of the defense argument is actually presented on forums.

I'm curious as which way they are going to go with needing to account for RGs definate SCC ruling.

 

[Amber29]

I'm curious about something. In the Jason Young trial (NC) there was a civil ruling independent of a criminal ruling. The civil ruling came first. I'm wondering if Italian law permits that someone can be found responsible for the death and not be found guilty - like OJ Simpson. That is, can the fine of €25M be awarded even if they are deemed not guilty? Guede is guilty, so he can be fined, but what about Knox/Sollecito. Perhaps, in hearing both cases simultaneously, the upside is that the ruling can be one or the other, but not both - as we have seen in cases in the US. I don't know enough about Italian law, but having a simultaneous and consistent ruling seems far more just to me.

Yeh I don't know I would think it depends on the judges ruling in the criminal case. Considering they have different rulings for actually innocent and acquit by not proveing their guilt. If I am explaining it correctly.

But I truly don't know, maybe someone who does will respond.

 

[otto]

I'm curious as which way they are going to go with needing to account for RGs definate SCC ruling.

The lawyer today seemed to set the stage in terms of reminding the court that Knox's statement of "I was there" factored into the Supreme Court determination that Guede did not act alone. I recall, from years ago (Trial), that Sollecito's lawyer conceded that Guede did not act alone. I couldn't find a link even if I wanted to, but I suppose that the defense lawyers will have to take a stand one way or the other: if Knox/Sollecito are not involved, the court will want to hear an explanation for the evidence that implicates them.

Sollecito's barefoot print in the bathroom is difficult to overcome, as are Knox's prints in the hallway. The lawyer today implied that contamination and incompetence will be argued, and asked the court to respect the Supreme Court reasoning regarding the annulment.

 

[SMK]

I'm curious about something. In the Jason Young trial (NC) there was a civil ruling independent of a criminal ruling. The civil ruling came first. I'm wondering if Italian law permits that someone can be found responsible for the death and not be found guilty - like OJ Simpson. That is, can the fine of €25M be awarded even if they are deemed not guilty? Guede is guilty, so he can be fined, but what about Knox/Sollecito. Perhaps, in hearing both cases simultaneously, the upside is that the ruling can be one or the other, but not both - as we have seen in cases in the US. I don't know enough about Italian law, but having a simultaneous and consistent ruling seems far more just to me.

That is a good question; I don't know Italian law well enough though to answer it.

 

[SMK]

The lawyer today seemed to set the stage in terms of reminding the court that Knox's statement of "I was there" factored into the Supreme Court determination that Guede did not act alone. I recall, from years ago (Trial), that Sollecito's lawyer conceded that Guede did not act alone. I couldn't find a link even if I wanted to, but I suppose that the defense lawyers will have to take a stand one way or the other: if Knox/Sollecito are not involved, the court will want to hear an explanation for the evidence that implicates them.

Sollecito's barefoot print in the bathroom is difficult to overcome, as are Knox's prints in the hallway. The lawyer today implied that contamination and incompetence will be argued, and asked the court to respect the Supreme Court reasoning regarding the annulment.

Regarding the "I was there" statement:

I know it was during a taped jailhouse visit with her parents - and was later explained away as Amanda meaning she was at Raffaele's apt.

Why isn't there a full transcript of this conversation so one could see the whole context and decide what she meant?

Tape 'puts Knox at Meredith murder scene'

Dramatic new evidence has emerged that may help prove that Amanda Knox, the American girl accused of murdering Meredith Kercher, was present when the British student died.

Knox was secretly bugged by investigators while talking to her parents in prison, in a conversation which appears to contradict her previous insistences that she was not in the house on the night of the murder.

Police sources revealed that when the conversation turned to whether Knox, 20, was at the scene, she said: “It’s stupid, I can’t say anything else, I was there and I cannot lie about it.”
“It is clear to us that she was talking about being at the scene,” said the police source.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1571166/Tape-puts-Knox-at-Meredith-murder-scene.html

 

[redheadedgal]

:facepalm:

or maybe she was just giving credit to the owner of the photo?

Originally Posted by Myvice
I was on her website last night and as I look now there are definite changes.

Amanda, IMO, was trying to make it look like the Kerchers believed she was innocent. She credited them for pics of Merideth as if they had given her permission to use them.

She really is heartless. They asked her not to go to the gravesite so she doesn't have the sense to realize they want nothing to do with her? It's obvious that she has not grown past the things some had attributed to her youth etc.

 

[otto]

That is a good question; I don't know Italian law well enough though to answer it.

For some reason, given what little I know about the Italian justice system, I suspect that a finding of not guilty will automatically result in a finding that there is no financial penalty. I know that many disagree, but the Italian justice system strikes me as one that is fair, and determined to understand the truth. Fairness also dictates that if a suspect is found not guilty for a murder, that suspect not should be financially penalized for the murder.

Perhaps what we see in the US is that if the jury gets it wrong and a suspect is found not guilty of murder (eg: Casey Anthony), the prosecutor's hands are tied, so the next best thing is a civil trial and financial award.

 

[otto]

Regarding the "I was there" statement:

I know it was during a taped jailhouse visit with her parents - and was later explained away as Amanda meaning she was at Raffaele's apt.

Why isn't there a full transcript of this conversation so one could see the whole context and decide what she meant?

Someone (Katody?) posted a link to the transcript of the wire tap recording when we discussed what exactly was said about the phone call. If that link can be located, it should contain the complete conversation, including the "I was there" statement. If the only portion that is available relates to the phone call, then that's a bit fishy. Additionally, if the only link is to what Knox has to say about the discussion, then I wouldn't consider it credible.

 

[sherlockh]

Tomorrow we start with the arguments presented by the lawyers for Knox. I'm looking forward to it ... in part because I'm curious as too how much of the defense argument is actually presented on forums.

I am going to listen very carefully. If I can find one small inaccuracy then I am going to fill 5 pages here calling them horrible liars. Ok, just kidding

 

[whoanellie]

It is paradoxical that Mr. Maresca complains that Meredith is being forgotten, but then berates Amanda Knox for directing people toward a fund, one of whose purposes is to keep Meredith Kercher's memory alive.

Here today Amanda has been criticized both for not going to Meredith's memorial and for linking to Meredith's memorial fund.

If Maresca believes the purpose of that fund has not been adequetely specified who is he criticizing?

 

[SMK]

Someone (Katody?) posted a link to the transcript of the wire tap recording when we discussed what exactly was said about the phone call. If that link can be located, it should contain the complete conversation, including the "I was there" statement. If the only portion that is available relates to the phone call, then that's a bit fishy.

Is there any way the link can be located? Maybe I'll try and Google it in context?