American doctor in Liberia tests positive for Ebola virus

[redheadedgal]

outrage all over CDC fb page: https://www.facebook.com/CDC

 

[redheadedgal]

outrage on emory healthcare fb page: https://www.facebook.com/emoryhealthcare

 

[redheadedgal]

Ebola discoverer says would sit next to victim on train:
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if it only spreads through bodily fluids, why do they want to "trace" everyone who was on a plane or in an airport (see mirror article below)? i know i have never gotten close to anyone's "fluids" while on a plane, so doesn't this seemingly negate the claim above about being willing to sit beside an ebola victim on a train?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ebola-spiders-web-infection-growing-3939374

 

[redheadedgal]

why is the CDC deleting comments from it's fb page? (i've just read multiple posts saying this)... so, ebola -- yes. free speech -- no.

 

[redheadedgal]

cdc very recently "sloppy" with anthrax and bird flu "blunders"... if this happened inside a "highest level biosafety lab" with all it's safety measures, could something worse not happen at a hospital?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/16/congress-hearing-cdc-lab-safety-anthrax-incident/12721585/

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[Oddsocks]

Surely the risk outweighs the benefit?
While I suspect there are already vials of the disease in USA, living people with the disease is another matter. There are already superbug outbreaks that are hard to contain in hospitals. I can't imagine what would happen should this spread.
I am suspicious. Who is going to make money from this?

 

[jjenny]

if it only spreads through bodily fluids, why do they want to "trace" everyone who was on a plane or in an airport (see mirror article below)? i know i have never gotten close to anyone's "fluids" while on a plane, so doesn't this seemingly negate the claim above about being willing to sit beside an ebola victim on a train?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ebola-spiders-web-infection-growing-3939374

Exactly.

 

[jjenny]

if the healthcare workers are taking precautions in africa, why/how are they getting infected?! if they aren't taking the necessary precautions, why aren't they?

They were taking precautions but obviously still got infected. Doctor Brantley was supposedly very cautious about the precautions. I really don't understand why they must be brought into the US. Nobody is saying not to treat them. But why don't treat them where they are until they are no longer infectious? Couldn't CDC send to Liberia whatever experimental treatments they got?

 

[katydid23]

These 2 people are probably the least of our worries. They will be carefully monitored.

However, there are 0ver 300 US foreign Aid workers being brought home from various African nations because of the outbreak. THAT scares the heck out of me.

 

[danzn16]

outrage all over CDC fb page: https://www.facebook.com/CDC

Last post from the CDC:
"Any U.S. hospital that is following CDC's infection control recommendations and can isolate a patient in their own room, is capable of safely managing a patient with Ebola hemorrhagic fever."

We just had a scare here from a pt that just returned from west Africa and had symptoms of Ebola. Luckily he did not have that but it showed how absolutely incapable and unprepared we are for something like that here. And this was at a top level national hospital, not some small rural hospital. This statement from the CDC is absolutely not true whatsoever. Staff are not trained for these type of infectious diseases. Most hospitals don't even have infectious disease doctors.

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.sim.org/index.php/content/missionaries-test-positive-for-ebola

http://www.samaritanspurse.org/arti...liberia-west-africa-tests-positive-for-ebola/

On Thursday, Dr. Brantly received a remarkable gift from a patient he had helped to save.

“Dr. Brantly received a unit of blood from a 14-year-old boy who had survived Ebola because of Dr. Brantly’s care,” Graham said. “The young boy and his family wanted to be able to help the doctor that saved his life.”

 

[jjenny]

Last post from the CDC:
"Any U.S. hospital that is following CDC's infection control recommendations and can isolate a patient in their own room, is capable of safely managing a patient with Ebola hemorrhagic fever."

We just had a scare here from a pt that just returned from west Africa and had symptoms of Ebola. Luckily he did not have that but it showed how absolutely incapable and unprepared we are for something like that here. And this was at a top level national hospital, not some small rural hospital. This statement from the CDC is absolutely not true whatsoever. Staff are not trained for these type of infectious diseases. Most hospitals don't even have infectious disease doctors.

Of course we are not prepared. Which is why it makes no sense to knowingly bring infectious patients into US.

 

[QueenD]

Live coverage on CNN showing the transport of the patient.

I'm not liking this, scarey .


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[Herding Cats]

Yes, very scary. But I still maintain that these guys will be experimented on; as to why it won't be done in Africa/Liberia, because it's super-secret stuff, and we don't want to show it to others.

Now, I think I should clear up one of my earlier thoughts...regarding airborne v. contact.

Airborne transfer means that you can catch something from being in the same environment as the virus - no contact needed; it enters the body through the nose, mouth, lungs. And again, there is no contact.

They're saying that Ebola is a contact transfer; meaning, a secretion (sweat, blood, stool, saliva, droplets from a sneeze) landing on you...so, if someone in a taxi sneezes, and their droplets land on you, that's considered contact transfer.

What I don't understand is how these two got Ebola...if it's a contact-transfer, then they either had a break in their suits and didn't know it (extremely rare), they came in contact with it after they'd unclothed from their bio units, or was exposed while out and about, and not treating patients. Like, sharing a taxi, and someone sneezed...or, in a restaurant...or innumerable other manners.

We have been assuming that both Dr and RN were exposed while in direct care of patients...I'm thinking they were exposed somehow outside of the care units, like in daily living. But that's only if there wasn't exposure via a rip in the bio suits.

And I also have to mention, that photo of protective items drying in the sun...while the sun is considered a great disinfectant...those items - gloves, boots, and whatever else - all need to be disposable/disposed of...because we don't know where this virus comes from, and we don't know what makes it move from where it lives into a population; and we absolutely don't know anymore if it's solely contact or can be airborne.

well, the Dr is here, and inside the hospital. Answering some of the questions from above:
~there is a separate lab for any/all tests or examination of samples;
~there is a separate, biocontained unit for surgery, if necessary (although I don't believe surgery could be done on a patient w/ ebola...too medically fragile)
~waste will be incinerated, and then usually either buried or sunk in bleach, and then disposed of.

Are those going to be good enough precautions? Dunno...this is a very, very, VERY scary disease...and we don't know enough about it to do things confidently.

(And the paranoid side of me, the very small paranoid side of me, says that they've been brought home so that experimental things can be tested on them; that someone in the know believes that our enemies have weaponized ebola, and are either looking to find a cure for it because of that; or, USAMRIID is looking to weaponize it somehow, and needs more samples. And yes, that's a very paranoid thought...but then, so was any consideration of the Tuskeegee Airmen...sigh...)

Best-
Herding Cats

 

[gngr~snap]

Live coverage on CNN showing the transport of the patient.

I'm not liking this, scarey .


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Join the club! I had a hissy. fit! What if the ambulance got hit by an 18 wheeler??? I could just picture that man laying on the expressway bleeding...
Some employee will screw up... imo
I'm not saying a nurse or a doctor, but someone who has no businees in the area who is nosey... I can always hope but, human.error happens....

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[jjenny]

Join the club! I had a hissy. fit! What if the ambulance got hit by an 18 wheeler??? I could just picture that man laying on the expressway bleeding...
Some employee will screw up... imo
I'm not saying a nurse or a doctor, but someone who has no businees in the area who is nosey... I can always hope but, human.error happens....

All posts are MOO

Add to that, these two patients already got experimental treatment while in Liberia. Woman was given some experimental serum, and the doctor had blood injected into him from surviving patient.
So it makes no sense to me whatsoever for them to be brought back to US while they are at their most infectious. Even if patent recovers, he remains infectious for sometime. And bodies remain infectious after death.
Because I don't believe for a second that hospitals in US are ready for Ebola outbreak, why bring it into highly populated area?

 

[liltexans]

Tenn. Man in Quarantine After Ebola Outbreak: 'I'm Feeling Well'

A Tennessee doctor who placed himself in quarantine after volunteering in West Africa, where the Ebola virus is rampant, says he's "feeling well" and showing no sign of symptoms.

Alan Jamison, a retired pediatrician, returned home to Morristown, Tenn., after he was evacuated from Liberia by the aid group he was volunteering for -- working at the same hospital as Dr. Kent Brantly, an American now fighting the deadly virus.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/tenn-man-quarantine-ebola-outbreak-im-feeling/story?id=24810734

 

[redheadedgal]

I wonder if the president has a view on this virus situation? Not trying to be political, but does he have any
say in the comings and goings of the infected into our country? I do realize the infected are US citizens.

I haven't seen any comments from him. Has there been any? all jmo

rush says obama authorized the transfer... is this reliable info?

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/08/01/why_bring_ebola_patients_to_america

 

[redheadedgal]

outrage on samaritan's purse fb page: https://www.facebook.com/SamaritansPurse

 

[redheadedgal]

director of cdc tells cnn that 1) it was SP's decision to bring pt home... then refuses to answer follow up question saying "ask SP" and 2) there is nothing being done in atlanta that could not have been done in africa. SP just wanted to bring pt home... thoughts?

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/08/01/sgmd-gupta-cdc-frieden-ebola.cnn.html