American made 737-800 disintegrated upon crashing Russia -62 dead

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  • #141
Awesome visulization of windsheer.When the first enter it it lifts the plane up. So the pilots are trying to low
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er nose. Then suddenly the downdraft slams the plane (already configured to try and drop the nose) into the ground

google images and who knows windsheer could have started stomething in this mess !!
 
  • #142
CARIIS said:
Cant seem to get thier story together are basic stuff

Closed-circuit TV footage showed the plane going down at a steep angle and exploding. The powerful explosion left a big crater in the runway

??????

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-black-boxes-from-deadly-plane-crash-badly-damaged/

Google images

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=black+boxes+russian+plane+crash&tbs=qdr:d


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Hmm. Okay now they seem to be recasting their previous statements. Regarding the black boxes.
Early reports state that the black boxes have been found intact and look in good condition to decipher what happened after the pilot told the ATC that they were 'gonna go round again. Bye bye'
That evidence is crucial. To discovering actually what brought that plane down


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  • #144
Just click on read source.. sorry seems I am stuck with c&p for now 😩

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  • #145
AlwaysShocked said:
If the pilot had decided to abort the second landing attempt and was going back up and then got caught in a windshear, the windshear could drop the plane like that. But it does look like there is a fire at the front of the plane prior to it hitting the ground.

As far as the Russians disseminating info to the world about things like this, I think Vlad has an old school KGB attitude about things like that.
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Hi Always!

I just dont know they just dont say very little instead of coming up with al this crazy stuff.

For MH17 , that coke can - it served Putin. He was starting to get a of global heat for his air stikes in Syria.

So ,IMO the "Coke Cola Terorrists"(opens Firday in a theatre near you !) served his purpose

See terrorists are still posing a threat. That plane was 31 miles from our border . I think they accidently shot it down, and came up with the "Coke Cola Terorrists".

Saying it was terrorists took off any possible outrage worlewide.

Lets just pretend the black and white video was never, pardon pun, in the picture.

Whole different story. What could possibly be a reason for trying to throw this off track??

Not a conspiracy nut --the b/w video , according to the video that followed does not match up. that is all I am saying
 
  • #146
1&2&3 said:
On the following reconstruction video, we can see that the plane did hit the ground short of the runway, looks like it did a flip, and crashed before the runway started.

So, why are we not seeing pictures of the initial impact of the plane? It would appear that is where the majority of the plane would be.

If I am misunderstanding this reconstruction video, please post your thoughts.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/flydubai-plane-crash-chilling-3d-7597825
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IMO you are not misunderstanding a thing!! Or, if you are, we are both misunderstanding the exact same thing!
 
  • #147
Gigi-G said:
Hmm. Okay now they seem to be recasting their previous statements. Regarding the black boxes.
Early reports state that the black boxes have been found intact and look in good condition to decipher what happened after the pilot told the ATC that they were 'gonna go round again. Bye bye'
That evidence is crucial. To discovering actually what brought that plane down


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Hi Gigi!

And so simple. OPen eyes. Look at black boxes ! Were they externally damaged or not. It is a yes/no !!!

To be getting all this simple stuff so back and forth raises doubts about a whole bunch of other stuff doesnt it!!!

Kinda same thing with intial impact! LOok around, glance !! Oh that must be where it first hit!!

Video tape it and braodcast to the world ! All we have seen is a lot of un burned stuff on the runway - and that
does not even look like it is on the "edge" of a feild!!

Almost as if who ever is granting acess to videographers is saying only shoot that direction where it looks like for ages on the runaway there is the whole plane

Gigi Always123 --why do you think they are doing it this way??

GGIT --Golly, get it together!!! Are you proud of me _ I have made up my own text jive !!! Thats funny!
 
  • #148
Knock knock anyone home!

he committee said late Sunday That device had "good recording quality" and included information about the plane's final seconds, the committee said. (Is this the BS commitee?)

linked earlier

From Giii great find :

 top Russian aviation official says it's going to be very difficult to extract the data ...... hampering the investigation into the tragedy that killed all 62 people aboard.( OR, is this the BS commitee)


Compare and contrast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Assignment due Wed!

And, often they are externally damaged and still readable. And then if NTSB cant get anything a lot of times they send it to manufacotr of the recorders and they do get the readings !!
 
  • #149
While clicking around it wont let me add it to same post !!
 
  • #150
Finaaly found an aerial view! That is not all that is left of 737-800, IMO - unless there is a huge holer and a lot of it is in th
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e hole!

Look at top of picture - I see pristine undisturbed snow ! SIlly !

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...passengers-crew-fireball-Russian-airport.html


Interesting, ok they cant see runway , intiate go around, windshear plummers them down. Notice where impact icon is, there are a bunch of trees , (which are in the black and white video).

Intial impact according to this graphic is totally off the runway, Then look at first picture in this post ??
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First time I have heard that they made it back up to 4000 feet during the attempted abort.
Same link
 
  • #151
almost an hour behind schedule. ...


The aircraft began its approach to the airport at 22:39 and aborts the landing attempt 4.1 miles from the runway at height of 1,725 feet.



At the time, visibility was only 4,200 metres with cloud down to 1,600 feet.

The aircraft climbed without incident to 8,000 feet (there graphic in the very same article says they made it 4000 feet ?)..........

at 15,000 feet in a holding pattern

entering cumulonimbus clouds....is highly dangerous. The only sensible defence against the hazards associated with a Cb is therefore to avoid flying into one in the first place.

Sukhoi Superjet from Moscow made the first of three attempts to land before diverting to Krasnodar half an hour later.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...w-fireball-Russian-airport.html#ixzz43Yl2XjoQ
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  • #152
CARIIS said:
Hi Always!

I just dont know they just dont say very little instead of coming up with al this crazy stuff.

For MH17 , that coke can - it served Putin. He was starting to get a of global heat for his air stikes in Syria.

So ,IMO the "Coke Cola Terorrists"(opens Firday in a theatre near you !) served his purpose

See terrorists are still posing a threat. That plane was 31 miles from our border . I think they accidently shot it down, and came up with the "Coke Cola Terorrists".

Saying it was terrorists took off any possible outrage worlewide.

Lets just pretend the black and white video was never, pardon pun, in the picture.

Whole different story. What could possibly be a reason for trying to throw this off track??

Not a conspiracy nut --the b/w video , according to the video that followed does not match up. that is all I am saying
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I'm not a bona-fide conspiracy nut. But it's all in what 'they' tell you. (Or in this case don't tell you)
Which to me shouts out red flag red flag red flag.
Whether in hoping this event would mask another event happening globally I don't know. I know that Obama has been visiting different countries. And his 'air force 1' was spotted very low coming into land.
Could be a gazillion things. But amazes me why call out 'terrorism is not believed to be a part of this crash'
I bet you 50 cents that they'll put it down to weather and human error.
Well this pilot was not depressed he was looking forward to making a new life with his wife and young baby.
Anyways with all the geeky tech stuff. Really guys b+w cctv us soo mehhh n last century even.

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  • #153
CARIIS said:
IMO you are not misunderstanding a thing!! Or, if you are, we are both misunderstanding the exact same thing!
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N if you're misunderstanding and they are misunderstanding. And I'm misunderstanding. Then we have a whole load of misunderstandings that are misunderstanding. Phewww

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  • #154
Hahaha sorry I had to. Anyways. I'm pulling a break here to mull over the posts n eat some dinner. I love your post CARIIS. Keep on doing what yr doing.. amazing stuff! ☺

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  • #156
KaaBoom said:
Yes, and the greenery in the field is completely burned black in the impact zone. Which would be consistent with a large fiery explosion. Also it looks like most of the non-metal debris was also burned black.
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What CARIIS and I are stating is that scrutinising many air line crash scenes. The more velocity and force that the plane came down..would of meant a decent sized crater. And debris scattered over a large area. The pictures the msm are releasing do not purport to me the actual 'crash site' the blackened earth. Just states something was burnt there. If aviation fuel went up. You'd see far more charring of the grass/vegetation. And very mangled/ melted tarmac/runway.
Just like earlier reports said the black boxes look to be in 'good shape'.
And now stating they are 'indecipherable' as they are built and housed in containers that can stand extremes of temperatures -50° to +2000° I posted up a couple of well known air crashes. Lockerbie and the M1 crash. Both 25 years at least ago. But NTA and NTSA. Both undertook together the tagging n bagging. Each site was scrupulously cleared. And not in just 24/36 hours either. Every bit was placed in an area where it would of been on the plane. It is an extensive job. Many many hours in the making.


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  • #157
Now if that was 25 years ago.... good grief. There's so much more modernisation and cgi
And cctv cameras with the megapixels today. are quite good in light as in darkness.

So who's kidding who?

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  • #158
Gigi-G said:
I'm not a bona-fide conspiracy nut. But it's all in what 'they' tell you. (Or in this case don't tell you)
Which to me shouts out red flag red flag red flag.
Whether in hoping this event would mask another event happening globally I don't know. I know that Obama has been visiting different countries. And his 'air force 1' was spotted very low coming into land.
Could be a gazillion things. But amazes me why call out 'terrorism is not believed to be a part of this crash'
I bet you 50 cents that they'll put it down to weather and human error.
Well this pilot was not depressed he was looking forward to making a new life with his wife and young baby.
Anyways with all the geeky tech stuff. Really guys b+w cctv us soo mehhh n last century even.

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I don't think this pilot was depressed, I think he was sloppy and in a hurry to get on to his next job. I think he was rushing to finish this flight because it was his last one with this airline, and I think he was careless. All the other pilots diverted to other airports when they saw how difficult it was to land there instead of hanging around in the air for two hours and trying again. Maybe they ran out of fuel.
 
  • #159
Gigi-G said:
What CARIIS and I are stating is that scrutinising many air line crash scenes. The more velocity and force that the plane came down..would of meant a decent sized crater. And debris scattered over a large area. The pictures the msm are releasing do not purport to me the actual 'crash site' the blackened earth. Just states something was burnt there. If aviation fuel went up. You'd see far more charring of the grass/vegetation. And very mangled/ melted tarmac/runway.
Just like earlier reports said the black boxes look to be in 'good shape'.
And now stating they are 'indecipherable' as they are built and housed in containers that can stand extremes of temperatures -50° to +2000° I posted up a couple of well known air crashes. Lockerbie and the M1 crash. Both 25 years at least ago. But NTA and NTSA. Both undertook together the tagging n bagging. Each site was scrupulously cleared. And not in just 24/36 hours either. Every bit was placed in an area where it would of been on the plane. It is an extensive job. Many many hours in the making.


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The vegetation is completely burned in the pictures. Along with anything else that looks like it would burn. Nothing there looks inconsistent with any other air-crash to me.

As for the lack of a crater, it appears to me that the plane impacted the runway. Which would be designed to withstand an impact like that. IMHO.
 
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