American made 737-800 disintegrated upon crashing Russia -62 dead

[CARIIS]

I want to see the crater the plane caused! Pictures tell stories better than words. . .well, at least sometimes.

I am with you! I cannot grasp how they think (apparently!) that the world is going to buy that there are no indentions when a plane crashes! That is a impossility, IMO. And why, would they not want to show that.

If there truly is not a crater, then the plane broke up in the air, thats just how it works with gravity and trajectory and all that stuff.

It is strange- but debunking the video- makes more questioins. No two airplanes crash the same way. I cant help but think that black and white video survliance is already old!

The notion that a black and white camera cought that other 737 crashing and three years later they are still using black and white cameras just does not jive IMO.

To me it looks like a 1960's military test of some sort.

Here is a giant jumbo late model 747, which landed only to refuel (which would lead one to the logical conclusion that she she had a heck of a lot more fuel aboard). becasue it had such a long journey ahead.

It is a huge airplane : the model has a maximum capacity of 660 passengers . Just for a size comparasion this one max 169 passengers. It is just logival IMO to doubt that a 737-800 with a couple of hours fuel aboard can make a bigger fireball than a full 747-400, IMO

I am not a conspircay nut - but the first time I saw the video I thought thisis BS! There are reasons why people BS ! I dont know what this one is ! But something is wrong here IMO!

THe most fuel this one could have left on it is 2.5 hours (capacity as it relates to total flight time for this model is 8.5 hours in good weather). The plane was light in terms of passengers and one assume related baggage, so we can , IMO, assume that the weather and go arounds increase fuel burn rates

Notice how long the actual fireball lasts and then just turns into black smoke - the fuel is vaporized on impact, and explodes away, and then all furnishings and stuff produce black smoke.

In the b/w video the intnese explosion goes on and on - how can that be??

It was a huge cargo retrofitted plane. Full . Carrying like war jeeps. The ultimaly figure out that one of the trucks came untied on take off, rolled backward, creating a change in the center of gravity resulting in the stall you can see in the video. 7 killed crew. No passengers.

It was actually amazing flying skills -they found parts of the truck from inside on the runway - so the truck had to crash into the rear bulkhead when they lifted off, which would then transfer also to damage to the tail, which would impact control surfaces. So in essence the plane was "unflyable". How they got her someone stabilized before impact is some amaizng flying IMO!!

[video=youtube;lksDISvCmNI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lksDISvCmNI[/video]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Airlines_Flight_102
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747-400

 

[gregjrichards]

Bear with me I can't post directly from RT. So I don't know if this will work..

https://t.co/hMTXs3AiFj

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Oh My Goodness it just dropped to the ground like a bomb. Thanks for posting it for myself and others to see.

 

[CARIIS]

Regarding "fatigue" compliants :

Regarding fly Dubia: The number of fatigue incidents reported in 2015 has jumped to around 150, which is 10 times more than the average over the previous three years.......

Isn'this, in response to fatigue, finally, getting press classic managemnt:

Emirates airline denied the allegations, saying they were “based on anonymous people that we cannot confirm currently work or have worked at the airline.”

IMO a stupid PR release. Pilots ( retired) that see that attitude are gonna say ok fine interview me!! Just to cool it al down IMO they should have said something like we are looking into it !!

FD is a spin-off from the huge Emerates Airline., (based in Dubai, United Arab Emirates.) They own it. . It is a govt run entity. Emerates comes in at the second safest airline in world. Oil money is big! They fly 72 of the biggest planes on earth! (A380).

If ya wanna grab one they only cost $304 (not typo) million each!

Cathay Pacific is number one.

For the heck of it, here are some of the legacy carriers most are faimiliar with :

The first American carrier on the list is Jet Blue at 9. Sotuhwest came in at 24 while Delta came in at 26. Surprise MAL came in 57. Full list below . Air Canada was 4th. Australias Quantis was 7 while Germanies Luthansia came in at 12. British Airways at 14. Easy Jet 22. United 30 while Swiss Air was 32. Air France 38, and American at 39

FD did not make the list. There are 60 ranked.

https://www.rt.com/news/337113-flydubai-scandal-leaks-fatigue/


http://www.jacdec.de/airline-safety-ranking-2015/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirates_fleet#Airbus_A380

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=cost+of+a380

These folks are seriously serious!!

Here is an example:
http://www.jacdec.de/Order/JACDEC Airline Safety Report_2015_SAMPLE.pdf[

 

[AlwaysShocked]

I too am not a conspiracy freak. But I am one who recognizes red flags and pays attention when something gives me a hinky feeling.
I live in western Pennsylvania and have good friends who live close to where flight 93 went into the ground on 9/11.
Very very difficult to believe a huge plane created that small hole. Look at photos and videos taken immediately afterwards.
Yes I think the plane crashed there. Many locals saw it in the sky descending. But to look at the hole - hard to believe. But they extracted parts including an engine, black boxes, etc.

 

[CARIIS]

Hi ALways !!


Oh yeh I agree. the Us air left a small crater too. I agree that speed at impact can certainly disintergrate t amazing degree. My thing is all we have seen is disintegration. They are claiming a wingtip strike. At the begining, IMO ,of any impact sequence there is a "beginning" if that makes sense.There was "evidence" of impact. flight 93

A wingtip strike (fuel tanks are!!) how can that not be intense burning marks if wing was start of sequence?? I can not remember one that looks like this. By that i mean there has to be more ground damage. What they have showed us so far looks like mid air breakup where parts "sprinkle down" Will post some pics of that kind of debris in moment . I dont remember how many pics "take in one post!!


photograph shows Flight 93's impact crater google
flight impacted at 563 mph --

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93#Crash

Flight 93:

Flight 93

US Air 427 was a very high speed impact as well

United 232 was a wing impact as the start of the accident sequence :

I too am not a conspiracy freak. But I am one who recognizes red flags and pays attention when something gives me a hinky feeling.
I live in western Pennsylvania and have good friends who live close to where flight 93 went into the ground on 9/11.
Very very difficult to believe a huge plane created that small hole. Look at photos and videos taken immediately afterwards.
Yes I think the plane crashed there. Many locals saw it in the sky descending. But to look at the hole - hard to believe. But they extracted parts including an engine, black boxes, etc.

 

[CARIIS]

'Pull up!': Russian TV airs final words of flydubai jet...

Pilots do not say "pull up"! It is a system in aircraft called GPWS - Ground Proximity Warning System. It is a recording that yells at the pilots telling them they are about to crash into terrain.

And in most controlled flight into terrain you pretty well hear pull up pull up pull up until impact. What is scary here is if this is really how the folks inverstigating this think oh my.

The NTSB would say: The GPWS activated at XX:XX:XX and continued until impact .

Here are the warnings they get - this is all of them !! Before take off the push a button to test and make sure all of them are working .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs4TwmdH_-w



"Don't worry," the pilot says in the transcript.

A voice is then heard: "Don't do that". I think this might be in repsonse to someone turning off autopilot but not sure yet.

Screams are then heard..

the article then states ............accidentally switched on a stabilising fin at the tail as he tried to pull the plane back to a horizontal position.

You dont "switch on " the stablizer !! They are "there"!! Just like "wings"! You cant accidently "switch on wings!! This also can not be right !

We might be in serious trouble here folks when the official transcript comes out and they are "talking like this!! ! Thats funny!

https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/rud.html

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Russian+plane+crash

got excited when I saw they had some of the cockpit recorder then it turned into a sitcom for me!!


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Back to mid air breakup (focus issues at times ha)

IMO, these look far more similar :

Metro Jet in flight breakup above

breakup

Asiana air tail stike on runway:

google images

 

[CARIIS]

New Yorks tines seens t have gotten it "better"!

.................. was translated into Russian,

On the second landing attempt, the crew decided to pull up and try again, but 40 seconds after beginning the ascent, one of the pilots switched off the autopilot, possibly in response to sudden turbulence, the report said. Seconds after the autopilot was turned off, the plane plunged to the ground

The Russian tv station channel emphasized that its interpretation of the transcript could not be considered the official version of what had happened.

Don’t do that!” The last words recorded were repeated calls to “Pull up!” Only “inhuman screams” could be heard for the last six seconds. I am awssuming that means screaming was heard the final 6 secodns ..

“the elevator is no longer working and the plane practically does not react to the pilot’s control panel,” the report said. Makes much more sense the evleater can be altered, the stabliser does not move,

IMo it would make more sense this way. in auto pilot, the plane would "know" it was not where it was suppossed to be , so it would start to correct by trying to get the nose up.

The only reason to turn the autopilot off would be to try and take over manual conrrol.WIth the ground zooming to you the pilot IMO would pull back further on the yoke, (too much) to get also get nose up.

IMO the nose went way to high, they were light and the plane stalled.

But the real question will be what started the intial accident sequence (the airplane being to close to the ground in terms of where it should have it been intiating the whole sequence,

Imo that is gonna be windshear/microburst - pushes the plane violently down (intense downdraft) picture gaint hand pushing down. But in windshear all that windslamming into the ground results in an intense up draft shortly afterward.

So the pilot is already trying to get the nose up and then this swosh of air going UP pushes nose even more up and the plane stalls.

Here is great animation of Delta 191 with cockput vocie recorder. Pilot knew it was going happen he says "your gonna lose it all of sudden("meaning height) . Then notice they try to get nose up, Then the updraft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKwyU1RwPto

Big airplane!! What she actually did was bounce a bit went back up a little little bit came back down and hit again. It then hit a car and kept going, Then split apart and slammed into a water tank.Amazing there were some surivors.

It was becaauce of 191 that windshear was discovered:

resulted in the longest aviation trial in American history,Preparing the animated video for trial cost the Department of Justice around $100,000 to $150,000, and required nearly two years of work.

Please note that noone even now is claiming that there was any fire onboard before impact, nor any questioning why the suppossed video shows "thing" on fire before contact with ground .

they have opened a criminal inquiry into the crash.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/world/europe/flydubai-crash-russia.html?_r=0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_Flight_191#Legacy

Animation of microburst

[video=youtube;0uD_eeKsrc4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uD_eeKsrc4[/video]

Changed aviation forever and has saved thousandes. They were able to devolp microburst detectors and are world wide now.

Those who lstned to ATc tapes on this Russian accidnet - you can hear windshear mentioned several times!

 

[CARIIS]

Size eont change:

An American airlines pilot was arrested on the tarmac Saturday as shocked passengers looked on after he failed a breathalyzer test at the Detroit Metropolitan Airport.


Crazier and crazier this world goes

http://breaking911.com/tricks-and-tips-every-netflix-subscriber-should-know/

 

[gregjrichards]

Recent articles with updates

MOSCOW, March 30 (UPI) -- The Boeing 737-800 that crashed in Russia on March 19, killing 62 aboard, was in good working order, a flight recorder analysis revealed.

FlyDubai flight FZ981 traveled from Dubai to Rostov-on-Don, Russia, where it crashed in bad weather on its third attempt to land. A statement Tuesday by the Interstate Aviation Committee is in line with information previously published by Russia's Kommersant newspaper and broadcast on Russian television, citing unidentified sources, suggesting pilot error was at fault.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-N...-it-crashed-investigators-find/9251459342839/

Russian investigators have confirmed that audio from the cockpit voice recorders onboard flydubai flight FZ981 which fatally crashed two weeks ago will not be made public.

The Russian Interstate Aviation Committee said that – in accordance with international and Russian air accident investigation policy – the CVR data is considered as “non-public disclosure information.”

http://www.gulfbusiness.com/article...der-data-will-not-be-disclosed-investigators/

"According to Russian business daily Kommersant, pilot error is emerging as the likeliest cause of the crash of a FlyDubai airliner in southern Russia on March 19.

Having deciphered the flight recorder of the crashed Boeing 737-800, Russian investigators have been able to recreate the last moments before the disaster."

https://www.the-newshub.com/interna...y-have-been-caused-by-conflict-between-pilots

 

[Gigi-G]

Nice to "see" you Hat!

CCTV camera footage posted on YouTube claims to have captured the moment of the explosion as the aircraft impacted the ground. However, its authenticity could not be immediately verified.

https://www.rt.com/news/336185-boeing-crash-dubai-rostov/

Go here Hat its 26 sec, not sure if you saw this one give me break !!

Pilots ‘worked to death’: Flydubai whistleblower says fatigue-related crash predicted

RT also obtained the flight log of the co-captain of flight FZ981, which revealed that Alejandro Cruz Alava had worked for 11 days with only one day off prior to the crash.

Alava had been transferred from day flights to night flights without being given enough time to readjust his sleep pattern.
had reportedly filed paperwork containing his resignation because of the unbearable schedule,

that is actually why he had resigned.”

internal survey that asked “Do you think there’s going to be a crash?”
“Over 80% of the pilots that participated … said yes, there will be a crash at Flydubai. And it’s unbelievable, I mean they knew this was coming, they absolutely knew it and of course they will blame it on the pilots.”

But that is actually all airlines except the huge with senority

and that makes sense he was gonna make less at Ryan try to find that linjk

https://www.rt.com/news/336514-flydubai-pilots-fatigue-crash/


http://www.airlive.net/flydubai/

I think that. At the end of the day. The smaller the 'airline' the more 'savings' there will be. The 'Major players' B.A A.A etc etc will be in a position to buy up the latest ship to the grace the skies. Selling off their older stock. 10+ years old to the budget airlines like Ryan air eze jet fly.be. As CARIIS said 25+ years ago you'd top off the fuel. N she'd be good to go. Now it's calculated xyz÷abc×efg=...... with just enough in a reserve cell to hold in a stack system prior to landing. Or run off to nearest airfield.

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[Gigi-G]

After the aborted landing, the aircraft increased its speed and within 43 seconds climbed to 3,975 ft. Then at 03:41:37 the altitude decreased to zero.

Source

What ever took over those seconds prior to the reading dropping to zero. Was as if it were fighting. The last few seconds on flightradar24 graph actually looks like it's a pulse.. regular steady contractions..

Does anyone else know of any 'strange' happenings in and/or around the same vicinity at that time/day/night?

Throwing this open for discussion here. Even though I'm going out on a limb

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[Gigi-G]

Here.Is. The Video.Released from Russia in
2013 of November about a 737 crash in Russia:

Give me a break they identical!!!!!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/11/18/russia-plane-crash-video/3628193/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/11/18/russia-plane-crash-video/3628193/

Here is the crater that flight left :

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...d=0ahUKEwiEh_vvudjLAhUJQSYKHTebDhEQMwhOKCowKg

Now that's the size crater you'd expect to see. Not just like there was a bit of a bonfire to the one side and it was scooped up along with the snow n tarmac brushed clean. Come ON!
Even a discarded cigarette dropped into a sofa can reach temperatures up and beyond of 600° in 30/45 minutes.
So aviation fuel is gonna burn a hell of a lot hotter quicker. .... dang this is just right outta Disney if it wasn't for the fact innocent people lost their lives...

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[CARIIS]

What ever took over those seconds prior to the reading dropping to zero. Was as if it were fighting. The last few seconds on flightradar24 graph actually looks like it's a pulse.. regular steady contractions..

Does anyone else know of any 'strange' happenings in and/or around the same vicinity at that time/day/night?

Throwing this open for discussion here. Even though I'm going out on a limb

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my goodness that looks like it was quite an unpleasant for the passengers for some time - I have thought windshear/microburst -- but this nonsense is that is where the place crashed is a bunch of silliness MAL 380 bs!!

 

[Gigi-G]

my goodness that looks like it was quite an unpleasant for the passengers for some time - I have thought windshear/microburst -- but this nonsense is that is where the place crashed is a bunch of silliness MAL 380 bs!!

So true CARIIS.
they must think we came down in the last rain shower. Blind deaf and dumb.... errrmmm hello. After the Panama paper leaks who's the dumb ones? 😃

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[Gigi-G]

I've seen on the Internet that a plane (don't know which) had come down in a similar way to this one.
But. However even though the plane took a full nose dive from 4000 feet. (Nose straight down tail straight up)
Becuz of the stresses on the shell of the plane it actually disintegrated. Before its final plummet of 1000 ft. There was no crater. But....... there was debris. Plenty scattered over a vast area. Plenty for NTSB to go thru etc.
Now given that the time this plane was trying to land and stacking blah blah blah. The winds were horrendous the rain torrential. If she came down in the vicinity she was circling. That debris would of been scattered over houses streets cars airport runway. On n on n on...... no sufficient debris found.... still with me?
I'll have a look for the link later. I'm still rather sleepy. N just up for meds. 😊

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[Gigi-G]

What ever took over those seconds prior to the reading dropping to zero. Was as if it were fighting. The last few seconds on flightradar24 graph actually looks like it's a pulse.. regular steady contractions..

Does anyone else know of any 'strange' happenings in and/or around the same vicinity at that time/day/night?

Throwing this open for discussion here. Even though I'm going out on a limb

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Aliens..... planet x
The brown dwarf
Planet Nibiru
😁
Planet X to really cause mass extinction this month?
Published: 9 Apr 2016 | 07:54 GMT

The elusive Planet X, or Nibiru, with its unimaginably long 27-million-year orbit, is still only a theory to many. But one astrophysicist believes it spells doom for Earth. Nibiru’s arrival this month, he says, will bring about a mass extinction of untold proportions.

The celestial body, theorized in many an ancient text – most notably among the Sumerians – is predicted to be 10 times our size, and is currently still thousands of times further away from us than our sun. But if the latest research is correct, something is having a skewing effect on a group of objects in the Kuiper Belt, just beyond Neptune. And it’s closing in fast

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[Gigi-G]

What ever took over those seconds prior to the reading dropping to zero. Was as if it were fighting. The last few seconds on flightradar24 graph actually looks like it's a pulse.. regular steady contractions..

Does anyone else know of any 'strange' happenings in and/or around the same vicinity at that time/day/night?

Throwing this open for discussion here. Even though I'm going out on a limb

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Planet X to really cause mass extinction this month?
Published: 9 Apr 2016 | 07:54 GMT

The elusive Planet X, or Nibiru, with its unimaginably long 27-million-year orbit, is still only a theory to many. But one astrophysicist believes it spells doom for Earth. Nibiru’s arrival this month, he says, will bring about a mass extinction of untold proportions.

The celestial body, theorized in many an ancient text – most notably among the Sumerians – is predicted to be 10 times our size, and is currently still thousands of times further away from us than our sun. But if the latest research is correct, something is having a skewing effect on a group of objects in the Kuiper Belt, just beyond Neptune. And it’s closing in fast.

Hmmmm Aliens 😂

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