Analysis of Casey's Clothes and Body Language

[essies]

:furious: I look at those pictures, and I just think "what is so F N funny. She can't control the giggle, it is so funny. She is smiling at the attorneys and laughing at someone we can't see, where does she think she is, the ice cream social? No remorse, no missing her child, no horror at her childs murder, no horror at being accused of being her childs murderer! Come on CA, GA, and Lee. She doesn't give a rat's ass about you, any more than her daughter. Why are you still protecting her? She took Caylee's life, obliterated life as you knew it, and she is happy? Where is the anger at Casey? Where is the outrage? IMO

ITA! Not only nothing showing that remotely shows remorse, grief, sadness, or any other appropriate emotion considering her daughter is laying in pieces in a cardboard box-at this point, her father is still in a psych ward after a suicide attempt. All I see is a slight case of nerves! Very bad actress!!:furious:

 

[Spangle]

I am really puzzled why JB has to beg for every bit of discovery. The court seems to think it all can wait, 60 days to give the certain pieces of evidence? Even stuff that is in their possession they claim it is tough to get from one office to another. I am not a lawyer but I have watched a lot of trials and never heard a judge be so passive about discovery.
JMHO

I see your confussed. Which is JB's point.

But imagine getting a phone call from your sewage facility because it hasn't recieved it's "Aghm"yet. You have delievered it to the toliet, but haven't had a chance to stand up and pull up your pants yet. Much less trip the lever to make it flush.

Kinda unrealistic for the sewage plant to expect it that quick. JB is alot like that. He complains that he hasn't recieved what the LE is collecting at the momment. The Judge knows the evidence will have to be taken back to the labs and analized, reported, etc.. Before it goes anywhere. That isn't passive. That is knowing the science of evidence collection, etc.

Which will lead the the next problem. Because JB has been playing unrealistic games like this.. IF a piece of evidence is held up.. who would listen to him? Kinda like calling wofe to many times.

His goal is that he expects that at least 1 piece of evidence will be delayed. LE is human, just like everyone else. He is laying a record of having to 'beg' for evidence. So when that 'mistake' happens, he will try to use it to prove THAT is what has been going on.

JB is so desperate, he is having to play lots of games and hopes one of them will pay off in the end.

But so far, he hasn't had to wait. If so, I would like to know exactly what piece of evidence he has been force to wait an unrealistically long period of time. Another words, he has complained falsely so much, I now require proof of the claims.

 

[In da Middle]

Spangle, I love your explanation!!

 

[Tinsel]

Tinsel, I can tell that you are an intellectual, and I mean that, most sincerely. I love that last sentence you posted, as it is quite profound. And I do mean that with the utmost respect.

But, don't you think these sentences appear to have some contradictory features? If KC does not have a conscience, then how could she look upon the appearance of tears on her fingers as a curiosity?

Gosh, thank you! :blushing:

To me, the nervous habit KC has of constantly inspecting her own tears is because she is looking for an answer there. Her question is: do I have feelings? Feelings are foreign to her. Her conscience isn't well developed, or it's in a state of arrested development.

A sign that she may be getting a conscience would be her looking ashamed. Hanging her head down, etc. Haven't seen that at all.

Since she probably hasn't cried very much before, she is probably unconsciously looking for clues in her own tears.

But what she doesn't realize is that she is crying because, just like her angry outbursts, she is trying to manipulate the system.

Her tears are not from a conscience. They are a way of grappling for control.

She is already such a disturbed person, I think she will get further disturbed in jail.

:chicken:

 

[OneLostGrl]

Gosh, thank you! :blushing:

To me, the nervous habit KC has of constantly inspecting her own tears is because she is looking for an answer there. Her question is: do I have feelings? Feelings are foreign to her. Her conscience isn't well developed, or it's in a state of arrested development.

A sign that she may be getting a conscience would be her looking ashamed. Hanging her head down, etc. Haven't seen that at all.

Since she probably hasn't cried very much before, she is probably unconsciously looking for clues in her own tears.

But what she doesn't realize is that she is crying because, just like her angry outbursts, she is trying to manipulate the system.

Her tears are not from a conscience. They are a way of grappling for control.

She is already such a disturbed person, I think she will get further disturbed in jail.

:chicken:

Interesting. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

 

[Psmith]

Gosh, thank you! :blushing:

To me, the nervous habit KC has of constantly inspecting her own tears is because she is looking for an answer there. Her question is: do I have feelings? Feelings are foreign to her. Her conscience isn't well developed, or it's in a state of arrested development.

A sign that she may be getting a conscience would be her looking ashamed. Hanging her head down, etc. Haven't seen that at all.

Since she probably hasn't cried very much before, she is probably unconsciously looking for clues in her own tears.

But what she doesn't realize is that she is crying because, just like her angry outbursts, she is trying to manipulate the system.

Her tears are not from a conscience. They are a way of grappling for control.

She is already such a disturbed person, I think she will get further disturbed in jail.

:chicken:

I was very thoughtful after your earlier remark today regarding the tears. It impressed me very deeply. I paraphrased you on the kc is praying in jail thread on today's page and extended the notion. TY for insight.

 

[elementary]

I want to know what it means when KC wipes her eyes and then looks at her fingers? I know for the typical person, they would be checking to see if mascara came off - but KC checks her fingers everytime, EVERYTIME, she wipes her eyes. It drives me nuts..... its like she is looking to see if there are tears, or blood, or some other thing on her hands. To check to see if she really has some fluid coming out of her eyes.

Pet peeve - but I have never seen anyone do this before. What do our body language experts think of this?

Thanks,

Salem

I think it's a strategy she learned to avoid looking someone straight in the eye, and it also gives her time to think all the while appearing to be in distress or whatever. The wheels are turning, IMO.

 

[debbie0604]

I want to know what it means when KC wipes her eyes and then looks at her fingers? I know for the typical person, they would be checking to see if mascara came off - but KC checks her fingers everytime, EVERYTIME, she wipes her eyes. It drives me nuts..... its like she is looking to see if there are tears, or blood, or some other thing on her hands. To check to see if she really has some fluid coming out of her eyes.

Pet peeve - but I have never seen anyone do this before. What do our body language experts think of this?

Thanks,

Salem

This has driven me crazy too!! I have never seen anyone do this either! I think she is actually amazed that tears are coming from her eyes and that she can actually "cry." It is so foreign to her. However, I've noticed (as others here have noticed as well), that she only cries when JB states that "she is someone's child too." For some reason this causes her to "cry" and she's not used to that. But she is only crying for herself - not for Caylee, or out of guilt or shame, but out of the narcissistic love for herself.

 

[Reality Orlando]

Personally, seems to me she's checking to make sure her mascara isn't running. She's very much about appearance and I think she just doesn't want to appear on TV with raccoon eyes. JMO.

Gosh, thank you! :blushing:

To me, the nervous habit KC has of constantly inspecting her own tears is because she is looking for an answer there. Her question is: do I have feelings? Feelings are foreign to her. Her conscience isn't well developed, or it's in a state of arrested development.

A sign that she may be getting a conscience would be her looking ashamed. Hanging her head down, etc. Haven't seen that at all.

Since she probably hasn't cried very much before, she is probably unconsciously looking for clues in her own tears.

But what she doesn't realize is that she is crying because, just like her angry outbursts, she is trying to manipulate the system.

Her tears are not from a conscience. They are a way of grappling for control.

She is already such a disturbed person, I think she will get further disturbed in jail.

:chicken:

 

[jeepgirlva]

KC appeared older in court this time now it could be the hairstyle (bun) also i noticed the almost father child like relationship she has with Baez ...he even brought her paper and pen to keep busy scribbling while he had business to do...

 

[Eulalie]

Is she really even producing tears? In the jailhouse videos, she's constantly rubbing her eyes as if she's tearing up...but I haven't actually seen any tears. I think most of it is fake.

 

[desertmom]

Is she really even producing tears? In the jailhouse videos, she's constantly rubbing her eyes as if she's tearing up...but I haven't actually seen any tears. I think most of it is fake.

I have been wondering the same thing and agree that it is fake. Another thing that puzzles me (sorry if this has been brought up already) is the high pitched whiny tone her voice goes into when she "appears" to be crying or upset. Then almost instantaneously she can go back into her regular "angry" normal or low pitched voice. I had to turn the audio off many times while I was listening to her because I couldn't stand the constant back and forth from high pitched whining to an almost angry low tone voice. I have never seen or heard anything like it...but it is very manipulative, IMHO.

 

[snookie]

Personally, seems to me she's checking to make sure her mascara isn't running. She's very much about appearance and I think she just doesn't want to appear on TV with raccoon eyes. JMO.

Yeah, but she also does it when she's not wearing make up.

KC appeared older in court this time now it could be the hairstyle (bun) also i noticed the almost father child like relationship she has with Baez ...he even brought her paper and pen to keep busy scribbling while he had business to do...

Just like how restaurants provide coloring pages and crayons for waiting children. :crazy:


Is it true that Baez has a daughter Casey's age?

 

[drip~drop]

IMO, the jury will not be swayed by what Casey is wearing when they see and hear the evidence against her!

I have faith that the jury will do the right thing. I have seen defendants in court look so sweet and demure that butter would not melt in their mouth. Then bam! The evidence convicts them.

All in all, I was not impressed with what Casey was wearing today. I would feel the same way had she been wearing her jail blues. IMO, Casey was wearing civillian clothing today because the hearing would be televised and maybe a prospective juror would be watching.

Melaine McGuire was always well dressed and basically demure looking.
(cept when she was hanging on Joe T. lol)
imo
:cow:

 

[itsyourworld]

Melaine McGuire was always well dressed and basically demure looking.
(cept when she was hanging on Joe T. lol)
imo
:cow:

she was a well dressed husband hacker.

 

[essies]

Is she really even producing tears? In the jailhouse videos, she's constantly rubbing her eyes as if she's tearing up...but I haven't actually seen any tears. I think most of it is fake.

I think she's rubbing her eyes to irritate them enough to produce a tear! But, look at her face! There's no anguish there, no grief, saddness or remorse-it's almost blank!! Her face doesn't scrunch up, her eyebrows don't go up or down, her mouth doesn't frown-nothing. She's is concentrating so hard on trying to get a tear out she forgets to put on the face to go with it!!:furious:

 

[sirensong]

KC appeared older in court this time now it could be the hairstyle (bun) also i noticed the almost father child like relationship she has with Baez ...he even brought her paper and pen to keep busy scribbling while he had business to do...

Yes, I agreee with you about the father-daughter type relationship. Casey LOOKS like a child when she is with Baez. Watch her suddenly become more child like around him. It is weird.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Yes, I agreee with you about the father-daughter type relationship. Casey LOOKS like a child when she is with Baez. Watch her suddenly become more child like around him. It is weird.

I think that's consistent with the other things that we've heard about Casey. She seems to go into helpless little girl victim mode when around men. I think it usually gets her what she wants.

 

[Salem]

Respectfully snipped and my bold ~

I'll take a stab at this one.

When a person constantly looks at something coming off of their body, they are obsessed with finding answers there. I would say that constantly inspecting her own tears is a search for feelings that have been eluding her for some time.


KC is a person whose conscience is latent or slow in developing. She doesn't even appear to have a conscience. That fact is a curiousity, even to herself.

:chicken:

Okay - this makes some sense to me. I know it is about more than her makeup. She is looking for something when she does this.... so maybe she is looking for some kind of answer. Or maybe to verify that she does have some emotions? If she truely feels sad, then her tears will tell her that.....

I think KC is surprised when she actually does feel some emotion and she can prove to herself that she feels emotion because her eyes are actually wet. It doesn't really matter what the emotion is in reference too, just that she actually feels something - enough to make her eyes wet and she can see the evidence of that on her fingertips.

Very interesting.

Salem

 

[seagull65]

I know I posted about that early on in the case also (I'm sure I wasn't the only one), about her strange gesture of inspecting her own tears, as if to figure out what is this that's coming out of my eyes, or as if actually looking in the tears for something, some answer.

I know a lot of people have said they didn't see actual tears, but on my TV it definitely wasn't just "dry crying", there was a continual stream of tears. To me, it looked like on that day (GJ day I think) that she might be realizing for the first time what was actually going on. To me, she seemed to have genuine emotion for the first time that we had seen, like she was too upset to fake and put on the fake faces, her nose was red, her face was flushed, she was fighting back tears but they streamed continually, she wasn't doing a boo-hoo fake crying face with frown but a real, trembling mouth and chin type of natural crying face, trying to suppress it but couldn't. Usually we don't see any of this. Her instant wiping away of every tear could also indicate that she doesn't feel allowed to cry or show feelings.

For me in the jailhouse visit videos from August, the strangest part of her behavior is the occasional giddy smile and laugh, it's not just a laugh, it has a giddy quality, kind of delirious looking quality. Generally she doesn't seem to realize where she really is or what's really going on, as if she isn't aware that Caylee was really gone and in grave danger. And the fake "audition" type of smile, exactly like the smiles in so many of the posed photos she'd had on her facebook and so on. And the way she shifts completely from one style of behavior to another, like different personas entirely. During the latest hearing, she seemed more appropriate and aware of the situation, but when the lawyers asked her something, she did put on the fake "audition" type smile for them on two occasions and did do the strange little giddy laugh for one of them in response to something they said. I suspect these are responses that she was in the habit of using before all of this, and don't necessarily express her true feelings. It did appear very odd, though, even though it was only once in the entire hearing, generally she looked very serious and sad and aware of the situation, and her hands were shaking. At times she seemed to be fighting to keep her face composed. She engaged in her nervous hand rubbing gesture a few times, I'm sure a lot of people would describe it as a "hand washing gesture", it was mainly just doing a kind of friction rub with the palms though, but it did jump out. I've noticed both she and Cindy do "mouth buttoning"/silencing oneself type of gestures with their lips and putting fingers to their lips. Well, I guess I might be doing any of these gestures and probably others too if I were in such a terrible situation, but anyway, body language is always interesting. It's amazing how much we actually use it when trying to "read" other people.