Andrea Lyon New DP Atty

[LinasK]

F. Lee Bailey was disbarred in Florida in 2001. To my knowledge, he has not filed for reinstatement.

You are correct, I had that same information.

 

[Mamabear1963]

At the very least she will be easy to watch in the courtroom...I watched the video linked earlier in the thread regarding her class...I got a kick out of it.

 

[PassTheMotrin]

Does anyone besides me find it interesting that she is not registered as an educator with the state of IL? She is a law professor, yes?

Are professors required to be registered in the same way high school teachers are?

 

[Gaia713]

From what I read, the court has not approved Ms Lyon yet. Baez introduced her before asking the judge if she was OK. The man needs to write a book on court etiquette or what NOT to do in court.

 

[Gaia713]

Is she "certified" to defend cases in Florida? Did she have to go through the same vetting process that the lawyer from California did? I've forgotten his name already

Yes, andBaezintroduced her BEFORE she was approved.

 

[PrintGal]

off in another direction regarding the new attorney.

comments have been made regarding the difference in presentation of the A's and KC, which all coincide with the arrival of the new death penalty attorney.

Just a food for thought, is it possible that the entire family, and subsequently, their representatives, are being taken in hand, brought into the fold and given their instructions on how to comport themselves for the remainder of the the procedures to bring this case to a close?

Mods, If this belongs in the rumor thread, please move it.

But I am speculating on this hearing, and the change in how things appear to be from previous hearings.

I dont believe the failure to register with the court was an oversight, I think the attorney was on a fishing expedition to see and asses whatever damages have been done to the defense case, to get the measure of the judge and all the players. I saw the attorney covering a smile a time or two and never observed the "aghast" look ( mentioned on these pages). If it had been a hopelessly mired procedure I doubt the proper paperwork would have been presented following the hearing. Excuses would have been made, and another attorney sought.

I have an opinion that she has taken them ALL in hand and suggested if they want her services that its going to be on her terms and her terms are in the form of instructions for each of them in how to comport themselves in the public eye. Hence, the sulleness of the grandparents, and weepiness ( from anger as well as sorrow) . (i.e. "THIS is how serious it is Cindy, so if you want your daughter to live, then do as I say without exception.... take down the publicity for the memorial page, and be quiet about the new business. Stay off the interview circuit, stay off camera and watch what you say and how you appear. Control your faces and speeches." ) I believe (imo) that everyone had a "come to Jesus meeting" behind the scenes and it was THIS that has affected most of the demeanor changes. I think this will limit also, the antics of JB, and his last huzzah was seen in this hearing. IF she decides to continue based upon what she saw in court; if they haven't already mucked it up beyond repair, I think she will decide to step aboard, but again, only on her terms. I think she's very keenly aware of the benefits of joining so close to her book release, but this is not a stupid woman and I dont believe she will join up forces if JB continues to call the shots. I will be surprised if she lets him appear more than nominally from here on out. The proof of this speculation will be in the rest of the proceedings, and the comportment of the grandparents regarding the public eye.

I think JB was performing for her benefit as much as for answering the court. Hence the delayed paperwork. She was observing his performance as well, grading him as it were and OBSERVING the judge. Even LKB deferred to her in seating . They want this woman on board badly and I suspect she can set whatever terms she wants to, including dictating the means and ways the grandparents comport themselves publically, (which should give their lawyer a huge sigh of relief...certainly he cant control them.)

I think (imo) that Cindy finally got confronted with the poor choices of actions she's made, and it wasn't tears of being sad we observed but anger at finally being backed into a corner and told to behave or else be responsible for her daughters death sentence. She wouldnt' like being controlled in any manner and it would explain the faces..... rather like a toddler after having a temper tantrum. But the low key presence in court is a very telling change imo. I do believe Cindy FINALLY gets it, and has met her match, at least in this environment. I also beleive, this may have been the moment and delivery of the reality of where her daughter stands. not just about the death penatly , although certainly includes that, but also the fact of KC's responses to them, and how this all came about in the first place. The glimmer of truth is sparkling before them, and for the first time, I think they are noticing it. As final proof, KC ignored them upon exiting.... it's like getting a sucker punch right after being beaten up by someone else.

Its the only thing that explains everything .....even to commanding or controlling KC... I believe we have seen the end of all of all over-played antics, including JB, and KC's. If there ever was any hanky panky going on there, I doubt if even JB is intrepid enough to continue it, faced with the "iron spaniel: at the other end of the table. She looks more than capable of protecting the law in the face of untoward actions of attorney and client.

If any of this speculation is true, I predict the beginning of legal proceedings more in line with what we are used to expecting and certainly, Caylee deserves.

I sincerely hope so.

I have a feeling that the circus is over (and the fat lady is about to sing.):crossfingers:

I'd like to think your speculation on CA finally 'getting it' is so, but think you are overly generous in assessing her level of narcissism and need to control. She is not any more likely to believe AL than MN. She is far more likely to get angry and defensive with anyone who suggests that her conduct has in any way threatened rather than helped the outcome of her daughter's (eventual) trial. UNLESS maybe BC, AL and others all staged a massive intervention on her???

 

[Wudge]

No offense guys, but this team has already been through one DP qualified attorney who had "creative" differences with JB. I am going to take a back seat to see how long this one will last. I remember all of the brou-ha-ha regarding Kathy Reichs joining the team and now I hear crickets chirping from her corner. This is suspiciously timed for Andrea's book role out, but then again I am kind of a cynic.

Andrea Lyons is highly regarded by defense bars. She's extremely experienced in DP cases/murder trials and is considered to be a very effective and persuasive trial attorney -- consider her track record to be confirmation. The D.A.'s office would be wise to view Lyons and Baden as a formidable defense team.

 

[KenoshaKid]

Does anyone besides me find it interesting that she is not registered as an educator with the state of IL? She is a law professor, yes?

Are professors required to be registered in the same way high school teachers are?

Nope. They don't need to even take a single class in Education. Weird, huh?

 

[Nosey Parker]

Andrea Lyons is highly regarded by defense bars. She's extremely experienced in DP cases/murder trials and is considered to be a very effective and persuasive trial attorney -- consider her track record to be confirmation. The D.A.'s office would be wise to view Lyons and Baden as a formidable defense team.

AL might be highly regarded by defence bars, Wudge, but not by me. I would sooner leave a profession than knowingly and willingly allow an innocent person to remain behind bars. She had that choice.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Wow LawRig---your post #155 just floored me. I think you are right on. Certainly explained CA's demeanor in court yesterday. Now for AL to grab JB's reins and jerk him back. I did notice how intent AL was watching e-body yesterday. I also think she is more in the "know" of this case then she acts like right now. And the "fat lady singing"---I could hear her humming when I read your post. Thanks!

 

[HOOKEDNAN]

Thanks LaRig for that very perceptive post (#155). I am really in awe of all you WSers, and certainly am learning a lot! My only question would be Baez. Didn't he appear just this morning on the Today show? Maybe he will be her biggest challenge? Thanks again to all of you for your work and knowledge!

 

[gitana1]

Social Justice ... can someone explain that? Does it mean if your are poor, you are not guilty? Or does it mean if you lack education, you are not guilty? Does being a woman mean your're not guilty?
Does it mean if you are considered a minority, you are not guilty? Does it mean if you are not intelligent, you are not guilty? If so, then it is pretty easy to figure out who MUST be guilty.
Is this what she means by social justice?....don't know. I am simply guessing.

I can explain that. It means that if you are disadvantaged, you should not be excluded from the best representation available. I went to law school for just this reason. I wanted to represent indigent people and give them quality representation (not in criminal law, but civil), because the way the system works, poorer people often lose a case, like a child custody battle, because they cannot afford a good lawyer, while their soon to be ex-spouse can. That's not fair to me. I believe all citizens deserve adequate legal representation, not just those who can afford it.
What this idea has to do with the case against casey is beyond me, though. She seems to be able to afford excellent legal representation. Many here think JB is a bad lawyer but IMO, he's not as bad as many. But casey doesn't just have JB. She has a whole TEAM to help her, including high profile LKB. To me, Andrea Lyons would be better served representing someone who truly needs representation and lacks it. But, that's not casey, IMO.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

Lord, I hope you're right. Does anyone know the logistic of the attorney protocol, now that AL is on board ? Will JB have to follow her advice & counsel? If, after she becomes familiar with all the statements of Casey, etc., and she decides that Casey should take a plea, will they have to follow her recommendations, or will she be out of there?

They all have to follow KC's decisions. They can advise her, but they can't just force her to take a plea deal. I personally think that we are still going to see antics from JB because he will act like a spoiled brat about losing first chair. I have been wondering since yesterday how this is all going to play out and if KC will lose the best lead attorney we have seen as of yet (KI know, not saying much) because of her loyalty to Baez or if she will stick with her loyalty to herself and tell Baez to take a back seat. But no matter what, the final say will be KC's.

 

[gitana1]

They all have to follow KC's decisions. They can advise her, but they can't just force her to take a plea deal. I personally think that we are still going to see antics from JB because he will act like a spoiled brat about losing first chair. I have been wondering since yesterday how this is all going to play out and if KC will lose the best lead attorney we have seen as of yet (KI know, not saying much) because of her loyalty to Baez or if she will stick with her loyalty to herself and tell Baez to take a back seat. But no matter what, the final say will be KC's.

I agree. This is the case that is taking JB out of the obscurity of being a 3rd year lawyer into a high profile one, he hopes. I think he will continue to be all over the place and conducting much of the trial, except penalty phase. But, although casey may have had an argument for ineffective assistance of counsel when it was JB alone, that argument went out the door with the introduction of LKB, etc. AL helps that even more.
However, even though I think JB's arrogant, condescending manner in and out of court are hurting casey's case, because it is alienating the potential jury pool, I don't think she'd win an argument of ineffective assistance of counsel if she had only JB representing her and if this was not a DP case. Such arguments are hard to win. You need an attorney who fails to present certain evidence, fails to adequately inform the client of facts, offers, etc., a lawyer who falls asleep, and so on. While JB makes certain mistakes procedurally, some of those seem to be calculated mistakes and the others are not enough to remotely allow for an appeal based on ineffective assistance, IMO. Neither does his uhhing, umming, or floundering around in the courtroom which is not as bad as many I've seen, believe me! For a pretty new attorney, he's doing fairly well, although his attitude is hurting the public perception of his client, and since he created a team, regardless of whether or not he keeps the reins, casey will have no argument for appeal.
It will be interesting to see what AL adds to the case. I think that so far, the team assembled share the same general attitudes and sense of ethics as JB. I don't like them. It will be doubtful that any new member will stay if they don't share the same traits.
I greatly respect attorneys who fight to ensure that DP convictions are not of innocent people. The Innocence Project is amazing! Too many people have been on death row who absolutely did not belong there, completely innocent, and too many of those have been people of color who were not judged by a jury of their peers nor provided effective counsel, or were victims of misconduct by DAs. It's why I do not like the death penalty. If there is room for one innocent person to be executed, it's a faulty system.
But, casey would fit none of these categories of she is sentenced to death. And although I don't like the idea of state-sponsored executions, I do believe some people don't deserve to live and I will admit (rightly or wrongly) to a certain sense of gratification when people like SP, and hopefully chris coleman, etc., are on death row, a horrible place to be. Nevertheless, I would be happy if casey was sentenced to LWOP. Such a sentence would keep society safe and keep her from the beautiful life she thought she was going to have when she killed her precious little girl. Like someone said on another thread, she'll shrivel in prison, growing as ugly as her soul. That's good enough for me.
So, AL coming on to the case will not bother me, unless she is allowed to play a greater role and somehow affect a finding of guilt.

 

[Wudge]

F. Lee Bailey was disbarred in Florida in 2001. To my knowledge, he has not filed for reinstatement.

Fortunately, he's in good health and still sought by publishers -- "When the Husband Is The Suspect" was published in 2008 (Sheppard through Peterson).

 

[trixi491]

Since AL is now considered the "lead attorney" (even though we all know JB will still consider himself it), will she be the one giving the closing and opening arguments?

 

[Tiki]

http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/hottype/080131/

The Greater of Two Evils
When is it OK to let an innocent man rot in jail?
By Michael Miner
January 31, 2008 (quotes from article)

John Conroy (on WBEZ) and Maurice Possley (in the Tribune) recently reported on two lawyers, Dale Coventry and Jamie Kunz, who have known since 1982 that an innocent man was behind bars for a murder their own client committed. The reporters explained the legal reason for this travesty: the absolutism of the client-attorney privilege, which guarantees that anything a client tells his lawyers will be kept in confidence forever.


http://depaullaw.typepad.com/library/2008/03/60-minutes-segm.html
(quotes from article)
March 11, 2008
"60 Minutes" Segment on the Local Case of Alton LoganThis past Sunday, the television news program, "60 Minutes", featured a story about a Chicago resident , Alton Logan, who has been in jail for 26 years for a killing, that lawyers, Dale Coventry and Jamie Kunz, have known he did not commit. One of the clients of the two attorneys, was Andrew Wilson, who confessed to them that he was the one who had killed the person that Logan had been convicted of murdering.



JMO which is more important - making sure an innocent man doesn't spend 26 years in prison or a license to practice law?

I hope someone who knows Kathi B's e-mail address will make sure she has this info.
She does her homework and probably has it, but all the talking heads are ga-ga over this lawyer . . . the public deserves to know the whole story.

.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I was just watching some coverage of AL on HLN. One of the lawyer's on the show said that most likely JB would remain as lead during the guilt/innocence phase of the trial, and AL would take over during the penalty phase. He said, the reasoning for this, is that if there is a guilty verdict the jury has already spoken in that they didn't buy the lawyer's pitch for innocence, therefore a different lawyer in the penalty phase would present another lawyer, another personality, for the jury to hear. This wasn't worded very well, hopefully you can get my drift. Is this the norm for most trials and do you think this will be the plan for Caseys trial ? I automatically thought that AL would take over both phases of the trial.

 

[countzero]

I was just watching some coverage of AL on HLN. One of the lawyer's on the show said that most likely JB would remain as lead during the guilt/innocence phase of the trial, and AL would take over during the penalty phase. He said, the reasoning for this, is that if there is a guilty verdict the jury has already spoken in that they didn't buy the lawyer's pitch for innocence, therefore a different lawyer in the penalty phase would present another lawyer, another personality, for the jury to hear. This wasn't worded very well, hopefully you can get my drift. Is this the norm for most trials and do you think this will be the plan for Caseys trial ? I automatically thought that AL would take over both phases of the trial.

You worded it just right. Are you in my livingroom??????

 

[Searchfortruth]

You worded it just right. Are you in my livingroom??????

No, don't worry..but, I believe we are watching the same channel ?