Andrea Lyon New DP Atty

[nssherlock]

What good is it to be good at what you do if what you do is no good?Getting scumbags life in prison rather than the death that they so rightly deserve is nothing to be proud of-what kind of achievement is that? Thanks to her, 30 folks are a burden on the system when they should, by the severity of their crimes, have been condemned. Congratulations Andrea, you are the best [link removed] salvation out there. Must be a great honor.

Thanks just wouldn't do! This one sentence sums it up beautifully..........such a waste - a huge waste!

 

[Soju]

***paraphrasing 'cause I can't think talk and write***
Ok I called the president of DePaul University - talked to the receptionist - told her I was someone that is following the KC Death Penalty case in Orlando Florida. Asked if the University was aware of an audio that was released by the media of Professor L speaking at a conference last year? She didn't know what I was talking about and wanted to know when was the conference and what was said. I told her I didn't want to misquote so I referred her to youtube. She wanted to know if I was a member of the press. I said "no", just regular person out here that wanted to know if the University was going to post a comment re: to the comments that were made by Professor L or make any comment to the media as to whether they stood behind Professor AL's comments. She wanted to know if I wanted a call back. Yes, ok, thank you. I gave her my number. We'll see.

If and when I ever make this kind of call again, in advance I will write questions down, answers and make sure my Grandson is preoccupied with some cookies

That is fantastic! Deserves more than a "thank you" IMO. I'd be so curious to see if DePaul stands behind these comments of hers. Regardless of whether or not she was speaking in public or to an audience of her peers, she is a representative of the school. It's not like she made these comments at some random dinner party.

 

[cecybeans]

What good is it to be good at what you do if what you do is no good?
Getting scumbags life in prison rather than the death that they so rightly deserve is nothing to be proud of-what kind of achievement is that? Thanks to her, 30 folks are a burden on the system when they should, by the severity of their crimes, have been condemned. Congratulations Andrea, you are the best [link removed] salvation out there. Must be a great honor.

I am certainly not trying to defend this woman; I think she is a melodrama queen and a sanctimonious twit given her recent remarks. But getting people off the DP does not mean they were not convicted or went free. They may have received LWOP instead. Her "wins" are only those people who were not executed.

I don't believe in the DP either, and not for humanitarian reasons. DP inmates cost a whole lot more to house and feed and secure than gen pop prisoners. The necessary time and expense for their appeals racks up taxpayer money too. Personally, I think perhaps the victim's family should have a say as to whether or not someone is executed, as they are the most affected. Some people feel it is a worse punishment to be in prison for life, that executing people gives them the easy way out - some people don't.

The fact that there are mistakes in convictions makes me feel the practice should be revisited as well. However, I do think that when a jury hands down a life sentence THAT should stick, with no parole possible, and I don't believe that LWOP prisoners should have luxuries like Social Security and investment magazines, wide-screen TVs and lovely little 7-11's to buy their junk food. I'd like to see less time sitting on their butts and fighting with each other and joining incarceration gangs and more time involved in restitution to society projects.

 

[LambChop]

So now that AL is exposed do you suppose her next conference in which she is the lead speaker will be held in secret. Like maybe a tent and everyone can come in disguises....like clowns, maybe? Clearly if the newsstation was asked to take it down, it is an embarassment to the person who is setting up these conferences and to other defense attorneys as well.

Let's be honest here AL. It is KC's lying that will get her the needle. If you are as great as you claim, get her to admit to an accident and ask for mercy. No one really wants to see her die...not really when LWOP will do just as well.

 

[Soju]

So now that AL is exposed do you suppose her next conference in which she is the lead speaker will be held in secret. Like maybe a tent and everyone can come in disguises....? .

snipped by me.

This cracked me up, and I instantly pictured that scene in Eyes Wide Shut with the creepy chanting and everyone with those face masks.

 

[okiedokietoo]

I did get a call back from DePaul's Media Relations Department, just before 5:00. Person had the conference up but had not listened to it yet. No comment at this point.

I am calling back tomorrow.

 

[Insomnia Momma]

I did get a call back from DePaul's Media Relations Department, just before 5:00. Person had the conference up but had not listened to it yet. No comment at this point.

I am calling back tomorrow.

I think I love you :blowkiss:

 

[Just Jayla]

I'm listening to the WFTV audio part 1 of Andrea Lyon. So I'm thinking that her job will be to convince the DP qualified jury that Casey won't be a threat to others in prison, otherwise a jury will go for the DP rather than LWOP (assuming that Casey is convicted of 1st degree murder.)

As to AL's catty comments about women prosecutors' appearances, it's the pot calling the kettle.

I think maybe the beauty treatment (hair straightening) she rec'd from the make-up dept. of 48 hrs. may have "gone to her head" :dance: no more ("BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN"), fried out, (IN DESPERATE NEED of FRIZZ-EAZE hair product)

over-processed DOO, thank god!!!

She should worry about her client's appearance, they still have not been able to find a shirt that fits her with any degree of modesty. Maybe hint around to her client's parents that flip slops and hawaiian shirts are inappropriate under these circumstances.

 

[elementary]

As reprehensible as the Alton Logan case was, it wasn't really her client. I personally would have ratted on the guy's lawyers or reported it to some ethics board but that wasn't her call to turn in one of her own. The two attorneys whose client confessed were the real culprits, imo. She was just part of the periphery. And even her coming forward might not have had results. But you'd think her conscience would have forced her to, regardless.

Representing KC and being part of the team that filed this last "motion" is even more reprehensible to me. She is directly responsible for what is going on, not sitting on the sidelines with important info.

See, this makes me crazy. She had knowledge that could set an innocent man free. That supersedes anything else in my books. It doesn't matter if it had worked or not; it only matters that she did the right thing. And she did not.

She can save people from the death penalty, but chooses not to save an innocent man. Wow.

 

[okiedokietoo]

See, this makes me crazy. She had knowledge that could set an innocent man free. That supersedes anything else in my books. It doesn't matter if it had worked or not; it only matters that she did the right thing. And she did not.

She can save people from the death penalty, but chooses not to save an innocent man. Wow.

Don't want this thread to be closed if we start going off again about the case you are referrring to, but I have to say that reading about that case really shocked me. I totally agree with everything you said.

 

[cecybeans]

See, this makes me crazy. She had knowledge that could set an innocent man free. That supersedes anything else in my books. It doesn't matter if it had worked or not; it only matters that she did the right thing. And she did not.

She can save people from the death penalty, but chooses not to save an innocent man. Wow.

I agree. But this was discussed for quite a while on another thread. Many commenting attorneys have indicated it was a conundrum. I'm sure there are more ethical dilemmas in the legal field than we would like to know about including prosecutors and LE who fudge stuff to get a guy they know is dirty off the street. There is no guarantee that her coming forward would have had a thing to do with getting somebody off. Not her client. Not her client's confession to leak under privilege. And she might have been disbarred. So what would coming forward have accomplished if she lost her career and the guy remained in prison? Maybe a free conscience. However, I certainly think she should have either tried to convince his attorneys to talk or gone to seek legal advice on how to work through the system. I can give a much younger lawyer a pass on being caught between a rock and a hard place, but she is seasoned now enough to know that you don't need to use a flamethrower on someone's reputation to simply divert attention from a client who already comes across as pretty despicable. One thing is reacting to something unethical you did not create or are directly responsible for, the other is creating something unethical directly and with intent.

 

[Intermezzo]

She doesn't care about the victims...she isn't a victim's advocate...she is a defense lawyer that specializes in the death penalty punishment phase.

She seems good at what she does, and it is fascinating listening to her IF I can separate myself from the victim...and justice etc....


Her sole focus isn't justice it is getting her defendant not cleared of the crime but as light a punishment as she can.

In listening to her tapes...I realize that I am not called to be a defense lawyer...:croc:

I also gained some insight in dealing with the opening and final arguments often given to me by my teens :crazy:


I think she is going to go with KC's home life...as far as fearing the wrath of her mom...I think we can expect AL to do a real good job painting CA as a :croc:that KC was trying to avoid...just enough to put doubt in jurors minds. It is possible that she may play the she won't be a danger anymore card either...

I know this case has given me even less hope for justice in this country...because it isn't about justice but knowing the right "game" to play.

I love your post
Her focus is NOT justice for the victim, IMO she has no care or concern about the victim... it is about getting her client the least possible punishment.
And from what we have seen, heard and read recently she will throw another under the bus in order to accomplish that...:twocents:

I haven't yet commented on her DP seminar performance that we heard yesterdsy. But I found some of her comments at the DP conference as
content unwarranted for a professional seminar, unprofessional for her as a "Pioneer", tactless, classless, ugly, vicious,....and most definitely NOT humorous.
:twocents:

 

[Searchfortruth]

I'm listening to the WFTV audio part 1 of Andrea Lyon. So I'm thinking that her job will be to convince the DP qualified jury that Casey won't be a threat to others in prison, otherwise a jury will go for the DP rather than LWOP (assuming that Casey is convicted of 1st degree murder.)
As to AL's catty comments about women prosecutors' appearances, it's the pot calling the kettle.

I think maybe the beauty treatment (hair straightening) she rec'd from the make-up dept. of 48 hrs. may have "gone to her head" :dance: no more ("BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN"), fried out, (IN DESPERATE NEED of FRIZZ-EAZE hair product)

over-processed DOO, thank god!!!

BBM.

If I was her defense atty (what a joke that is) I would try to convince the jury that Casey will probably pose no threat to the other inmates, but that they are GOING to kill her. A more humane way for Casey to die would be the DP instead of being torn to shreds by some angered inmates.

I wouldn't make much of a defense attorney, would I ?

 

[chckmate22]

ok so being from chicago i have to chime in here ...at 03:24 in part one she states "anyone who has ever parked their car in Hyde Park" to be honest this comment completely annoys me because I am not sure if she is being racist or is she speaking of the affluant community.....Hyde Park is one of the poorest/richest communities all in one...depending on what side of Hyde Park Blvd you live on...so I wish she would be just a little more specific because I am not sure if she is speaking of the poor people or the Dr's that live there btw anyone who cares President Obama also lives in Hyde Park FYI....sad cause I am only 3 mins in and already I am annoyed

 

[Just Jayla]

ok so being from chicago i have to chime in here ...at 03:24 in part one she states "anyone who has ever parked their car in Hyde Park" to be honest this comment completely annoys me because I am not sure if she is being racist or is she speaking of the affluant community.....Hyde Park is one of the poorest/richest communities all in one...depending on what side of Hyde Park Blvd you live on...so I wish she would be just a little more specific because I am not sure if she is speaking of the poor people or the Dr's that live there btw anyone who cares President Obama also lives in Hyde Park FYI....sad cause I am only 3 mins in and already I am annoyed

Ms. Lyon paints a divisive picture because it has helped her clients avoid the DP. Somewhere back in the beginning of this thread, a poster put up a link to a story on AL that included a statement from AL regarding disproportionate use of the death penalty on black/minority vs. white defendants.
This could be a legitimate concern, it could be something very close to her heart, but either way, she uses it to her advantage in court.

 

[cecybeans]

A favorite book of mine is Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go To Work, by Paul Babiak, PhD and Robert Hare, PhD.

The authors discuss the fact we live in a society in which psychopaths are often rewarded in business; they are charismatic and successful and before we can find out they are ruthless backstabbers without a conscience, it is often too late.

I would think many of them are attracted to the legal field, particularly in defense, in that it is often neccesary to suspend one's conscience in order to properly represent a client that is likely pretty reprehensible. If they don't start out being sociopaths, then the very discipline of defending horrible people and suspending ethics in order to argue in their favor might erode a lot of their conscience. Law school tends to rewire people's brains. Scott Turows One L: The Turbulent True Story of a First Year at Harvard Law School is a great read, as is Take the Bar and Beat Me: An Irreverent Look at Law School and Career Choices for Prelaws, Law Students, Advanced Paralegals - And the People Who Once Loved Them , by Raymond L. Woodcock (out of print now), which chronicles his time at Yale.

I would imagine that, to compensate for the rather yukky feeling one would get trying to procure a Not Guilty verdict for people, many of whom are equally yukky, one would try to find something redeemable about the profession - other than the fact that it's a job that somebody has to do in order to live in a fair and just society - and that might be adopting a cause to champion that IS high-minded and moral, such as the abolishment of the death penalty in states which still use it, as AL has done.

I am not defending AL or her actions in any way, shape or form. I was just thinking about how corroding it must be to one's conscience to continually do this as a living and how she may be grasping at the one decent thing she has to make her feel she is slightly above the slime she represents.

I also think that those who are highly successful in the profession certainly may either be psychopaths or could easily be influenced to behave like them, is another occupational hazard that clouds their judgement, especially when it comes to using any means to justify their goal.

It's truly sad when winning at all costs is sanctioned by a profession. It happens in business all the time (Wall Street and the real estate and insurance industries are prime examples), and apparently it happens it law as well.

I worry about young people in school today, regardless of their profession, not getting enough ethics taught as they learn their trade. It translates into the detriment of society on all levels.

 

[ZsaZsa]

A slew of motions filed on Wednesday 11/25-
http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=6236234

 

[elementary]

I agree. But this was discussed for quite a while on another thread. Many commenting attorneys have indicated it was a conundrum. I'm sure there are more ethical dilemmas in the legal field than we would like to know about including prosecutors and LE who fudge stuff to get a guy they know is dirty off the street. There is no guarantee that her coming forward would have had a thing to do with getting somebody off. Not her client. Not her client's confession to leak under privilege. And she might have been disbarred. So what would coming forward have accomplished if she lost her career and the guy remained in prison? Maybe a free conscience. However, I certainly think she should have either tried to convince his attorneys to talk or gone to seek legal advice on how to work through the system. I can give a much younger lawyer a pass on being caught between a rock and a hard place, but she is seasoned now enough to know that you don't need to use a flamethrower on someone's reputation to simply divert attention from a client who already comes across as pretty despicable. One thing is reacting to something unethical you did not create or are directly responsible for, the other is creating something unethical directly and with intent.

I see no difference if you have the power to use your voice. I do not excuse "youth" as if somehow that makes youth "mentally challenged"; if that were so, she should not have had such responsibility. Ethics and morality don't depend on age. We will just have to agree to differ.

 

[fhc]

Who is MAD by initials, what is his interest in this case?

 

[Horace Finklestein]

So now that AL is exposed do you suppose her next conference in which she is the lead speaker will be held in secret. Like maybe a tent and everyone can come in disguises....like clowns, maybe? Clearly if the newsstation was asked to take it down, it is an embarassment to the person who is setting up these conferences and to other defense attorneys as well.

Let's be honest here AL. It is KC's lying that will get her the needle. If you are as great as you claim, get her to admit to an accident and ask for mercy. No one really wants to see her die...not really when LWOP will do just as well.

A lot of people want to see her get the death penalty, myself included.