Angelina Jolie

[newtv]

what I find amazing, is that there could even BE a downside to these people adopting these cast aside children. What anyone thinks of them "personally" is pretty irrelevent IMO. they are literally saving lives and the fact that that is debatable is tough for me to get my mind around. Even if i hated them as people, I would still have to applaud them for what they are doing with their fame and fortune.
The funny thing is, even if they adopted one child a month for a year, and had a staff to care for them, these kids would still be 1000% better off than the worlds they have come from. I would not feel the same if they gave birth to one child a year. I would feel completely different.

But what these 2 are doing is just another concept entirely and I think they are so admirable. I really don't care about either one of them as actors, it is these activities that have me paying attention to them at this point.

They aren't using this publicity to further their careers, IMO, but rather using their careers to further these causes.

actually JB- your point here is better than mine..the truth is even if they started a huge school for all these children where there were raised- an orphanage with benefits so to speak-these children are getting something.
Instead they are adopting them and giving them 100 percent more attention than they were getting- 100 percent more of everything than they were getting..how can htat be anything but good..
I dont have to like any of htese people to applaud their reaching out to humanity to make it better..and anything these children get is more than theyhave.
I wouldnt mind being a jollie-pit kid would u??
And its also remiss to forget the context/culture these children are raised in..they are used to travel-being flown around-seeing a big life etc..it wont be as if all of a suddent they are dragged here and there.
I was the kind of kid who would love to be dragged all over..athletes do it- army people do it..and they may do it with less resources than the jolie-pitt clan.
I had a mother who worked and I was happy-it meant i was free of her dirty eyeballs for periods of time- I had space between my birth and my sibs and it didnt make for a loving family.
There is no formula for what people decide and how it turns out..poor people love their children-rich people do..middle income people do..and all the same dont..just depends on who we get as parents..not if they work or whatever.
I did not even believe my mother loved me my whole life and she was shocked when I told her. I am sure the jolie-pitt clan will feel loved..but like any family one kid might be jelous..or feel less special..many middle children feel less special because they are not the first or last..yada..It doesnt mean the parents are doing it-kids get notions in their heads-have issues with their parents and tend to think they are deprived until they grow up and have their own.
Those kids are blessed-and it wont make an iota of differnce if she adopts again in the next 3 or 4 months.
I also think (just me-no evidence), that they will have another child together, I really do. And how many people have 2 children within 2 years..many..I just think its noone's business but theirs.

I know a family who have 5 kids and they are all great kids-not perfect-but great..and its not wrong to decide how many kids u want and when.

I agree- I cant stand pitt to be honest-he is about as appealing as tom cruise to me and I like her as an actress because I like the depth of her dramatic roles..but thats got nothing to do with my views here..its irrelevant. They make a differnce and I am all for that.

 

[TisHerself]

what I find amazing, is that there could even BE a downside to these people adopting these cast aside children. What anyone thinks of them "personally" is pretty irrelevent IMO. they are literally saving lives and the fact that that is debatable is tough for me to get my mind around. Even if i hated them as people, I would still have to applaud them for what they are doing with their fame and fortune.
The funny thing is, even if they adopted one child a month for a year, and had a staff to care for them, these kids would still be 1000% better off than the worlds they have come from. I would not feel the same if they gave birth to one child a year. I would feel completely different.

But what these 2 are doing is just another concept entirely and I think they are so admirable. I really don't care about either one of them as actors, it is these activities that have me paying attention to them at this point.

They aren't using this publicity to further their careers, IMO, but rather using their careers to further these causes.

Exactly, That's what I am saying Children are Children, it does not matter what Country they are from. It happens that the need is so much greater in these third world countries. The Children that AJ and Brad have adopted will not die as babies they will get a chance to grow into adulthood. And the fact that her and others like Wycliff Jean, and Bono are bringing this to the Worlds attention and these children ARE being adopted. More and More of them will get a chance to grow into adulthood.
What they are doing is purely humanitarian, AJ donates 1/3 of her salary to help these child aid services. Like you said I can't get my mind around critizing her or anyone who does this kind of work.
There are so many people who harm children in this world, Angelina Jolie has my greatest admiration for what she does for the children of this world.

 

[newtv]

Exactly, That's what I am saying Children are Children, it does not matter what Country they are from. It happens that the need is so much greater in these third world countries. The Children that AJ and Brad have adopted will not die as babies they will get a chance to grow into adulthood. And the fact that her and others like Wycliff Jean, and Bono are bringing this to the Worlds attention and these children ARE being adopted. More and More of them will get a chance to grow into adulthood.
What they are doing is purely humanitarian, AJ donates 1/3 of her salary to help these child aid services. Like you said I can't get my mind around critizing her or anyone who does this kind of work.
There are so many people who harm children in this world, Angelina Jolie has my greatest admiration for what she does for the children of this world.

yup-agree, agree, agree..2 children are alive today because of them..there is the proof imo. The fact that she donates 1/3rd of her salary isnt the part that impresses me because they make so much- its not comparable to an ordinary person doing it..but its still a benefit for others and thats what counts.
People who donate big money for charity etc also have tax advantages that make it worthwhile.though I dont profess that is the motive..Its just an added incentive in managing big amounts of capital.
I think they could afford to give a whole lot more money and still live better than 99 percent of the human race..if she kept 1/3rd of her salary and lived on a smaller scale, she would still lead very affluent life. She would still have a mansion and more money than she can ever spend. Then add in the Pitt money and again..they both could do alot more giving of money. They have been smart enuf to beat the paparazzi at their own game..planning photo shoots for money to donate..I really like that they are finally exacting some power over the vultures out there. And doing it in a way that is dignified..and making it a win/win ..money for africa and pictures for the public.
Its her time and money and action all together than impresses me.

 

[Marthatex]

Most WORKING MOTHER'S have help. We wouldn't be able to do it otherwise. Doesn't mean we don't miss our children while we are working, and yes, some have more help than others. Wish I had some more help, but that wouldn't prevent me from spending every available second I am not working with my child. Which it looks like Angelina does, plus she probably gets to spend more time with her children than I do, because she can have her help travel with her. Oh, the luxury!

My comments really were kind of just half tongue in cheek and exxageration, which I tend to do. Angelina herself said she was not taking film roles because she wanted to stay at home with the kids, so I assumed she was not a working mother.

Most stay-at-home mothers, also have activities outside the home - charity work, tennis, volunteer for school. But they don't call themselves working mothers. It's just a matter of semantics for me, and I was taken aback by People's rather huge headline. And most of us may have been lucky enough to have a housekeeper, pre-school, babysitter; but I truly believe she will have a cook, guard, babysitters, on and on, surely you get what I was saying? An entourage of help.

When I worked; I had very little help; I was poor. I supported my husband through medical school, internship and residency. My family didn't help me much at all and I couldn't afford hired help. I had to think of odd-jobs to do; I formed a housesitting business on top of my teaching job for extra income.

When I lived in Houston, and my child had colic, I was desperate. I had to call Houston Social Services to help me. I had to call La Leche League. Thank heavens for those agencies; we had just moved their and I had only one friend.

So perhaps therein lies the rub, for me. If you look earlier in this thread, I've done nothing but compliment them and their humanitarian efforts. I've always thought she was a bit odd, but that's my opinion. All I did was say how beautiful the baby was and I loved the Brad looked at her.

My comment about American babies, was, why not look for an American baby also? I have taught school and I can vouch for the fact that there are so many American babies and children that need good homes it's amazing. They're in poverty too, though not as drastically, but just as EMOTIONALLY bereft. I'm all for helping the world, but we have alot of problems of our own over here.

The reason I capitalize things for emphasis is that I'm computer illiterate and can't work those little thingys up there.

 

[concernedperson]

If it is any help, you are good with me. I understand the nuisances.

 

[JBean]

My comments really were kind of just half tongue in cheek and exxageration, which I tend to do. Angelina herself said she was not taking film roles because she wanted to stay at home with the kids, so I assumed she was not a working mother.

Most stay-at-home mothers, also have activities outside the home - charity work, tennis, volunteer for school. But they don't call themselves working mothers. It's just a matter of semantics for me, and I was taken aback by People's rather huge headline. And most of us may have been lucky enough to have a housekeeper, pre-school, babysitter; but I truly believe she will have a cook, guard, babysitters, on and on, surely you get what I was saying? An entourage of help.

When I worked; I had very little help; I was poor. I supported my husband through medical school, internship and residency. My family didn't help me much at all and I couldn't afford hired help.

So perhaps therein lies the rub, for me. If you look earlier in this thread, I've done nothing but compliment them and their humanitarian efforts. I've always thought she was a bit odd, but that's my opinion. All I did was say how beautiful the baby was and I loved the Brad looked at her.

My comment about American babies, was, why not look for an American baby also? I have taught school and I can vouch for the fact that there are so many American babies and children that need good homes it's amazing. They're in poverty too, though not as drastically, but just as EMOTIONALLY bereft. I'm all for helping the world, but we have alot of problems of our own over here.

The reason I capitalize things for emphasis is that I'm computer illiterate and can't work those little thingys up there.

I love the way you post Martha..especially when you are sassy.:blowkiss:

 

[Marthatex]

I love the way you post Martha..especially when you are sassy.:blowkiss:

The problem is I am sassy, but If someone takes me wrong and doens't understand what I'm saying I just want to JUMP throught the computer and say, "I only meant such and such, why didn't you get what I was saying?"

I just like to joke around; but jokes are usually at least half serious.

I don't think I'm cut out for the internet, sometimes.

 

[JBean]

The problem is I am sassy, but If someone takes me wrong and doens't understand what I'm saying I just want to JUMP throught the computer and say, "I only meant such and such, why didn't you get what I was saying?"

I just like to joke around; but jokes are usually at least half serious.

I don't think I'm cut out for the internet, sometimes.

That will never change Martha. That happens to me, but it just is what it is. One poster told me i had serious mental issues:crazy:

 

[deanws]

The problem is I am sassy, but If someone takes me wrong and doens't understand what I'm saying I just want to JUMP throught the computer and say, "I only meant such and such, why didn't you get what I was saying?"

I just like to joke around; but jokes are usually at least half serious.

I don't think I'm cut out for the internet, sometimes.

Yes you are. I love your posts.:clap:

 

[Marthatex]

That will never change Martha. That happens to me, but it just is what it is. One poster told me i had serious mental issues:crazy:

Well, I would say that was a pretty clear personal attack.

What I hate is the "veiled" ones. Now those are tricky.

But heck, I never knew I couldn't batter Angelina. I thought it was a free for all on celebrities. Just go over to the Britney thread or the Tom Cruise thread.

We have to be consistent here. I think there should be sign at the top of each thread:

THIS ONES A FREE FOR ALL - HAVE AT EM

or tread carefully here, we really like this girl. :innocent:

 

[JBean]

Well, I would say that was a pretty clear personal attack.

What I hate is the "veiled" ones. Now those are tricky.

But heck, I never knew I couldn't batter Angelina. I thought it was a free for all on celebrities. Just go over to the Britney thread or the Tom Cruise thread.

We have to be consistent here. I think there should be sign at the top of each thread:

THIS ONES A FREE FOR ALL - HAVE AT EM

or tread carefully here, we really like this girl. :innocent:

You can batter AJ..ya just have to take what comes with it!
I don't mind when someone plays devils advocate..makes us all think harder.

 

[Glow]

Thank you for saying that JBean,

Shouldnt that be the whole point? Arent we all here to learn and to think?

As well as be entertained of course! :slap: :crazy:

 

[JBean]

Thank you for saying that JBean,

Shouldnt that be the whole point? Arent we all here to learn and to think?

As well as be entertained of course! :slap: :crazy:

teehee..I like the entertainment feature the best!

 

[Marthatex]

Yes you are. I love your posts.:clap:

"dancing is silent poetry" that is so true

Of course my dancing is more like:

Jack be nimble
Jadk be quick
Jack jump over the candlestick....

 

[Masterj]

My comments really were kind of just half tongue in cheek and exxageration, which I tend to do. Angelina herself said she was not taking film roles because she wanted to stay at home with the kids, so I assumed she was not a working mother.

Most stay-at-home mothers, also have activities outside the home - charity work, tennis, volunteer for school. But they don't call themselves working mothers. It's just a matter of semantics for me, and I was taken aback by People's rather huge headline. And most of us may have been lucky enough to have a housekeeper, pre-school, babysitter; but I truly believe she will have a cook, guard, babysitters, on and on, surely you get what I was saying? An entourage of help.

When I worked; I had very little help; I was poor. I supported my husband through medical school, internship and residency. My family didn't help me much at all and I couldn't afford hired help. I had to think of odd-jobs to do; I formed a housesitting business on top of my teaching job for extra income.

When I lived in Houston, and my child had colic, I was desperate. I had to call Houston Social Services to help me. I had to call La Leche League. Thank heavens for those agencies; we had just moved their and I had only one friend.

So perhaps therein lies the rub, for me. If you look earlier in this thread, I've done nothing but compliment them and their humanitarian efforts. I've always thought she was a bit odd, but that's my opinion. All I did was say how beautiful the baby was and I loved the Brad looked at her.

My comment about American babies, was, why not look for an American baby also? I have taught school and I can vouch for the fact that there are so many American babies and children that need good homes it's amazing. They're in poverty too, though not as drastically, but just as EMOTIONALLY bereft. I'm all for helping the world, but we have alot of problems of our own over here.

The reason I capitalize things for emphasis is that I'm computer illiterate and can't work those little thingys up there.

Great post, Marthatex!

 

[mssheila]

Here is what I believe should decide this issue about her adopting more children..I bet if you ask any of her adopted children where they would rather be..where they were adopted from or the children AJ and Pitt..they would happily tell you they prefer their lives with their adoptive parents..I also hunch if any of us went to the 3rd world countries and saw the reality of it all, we would conclude that they are better off here than there.

I'm in the rare position that I am adopted, and I have met most of my biological family. While I have a good relationship with them (bio family)... I already have a great family. I've thanked my bio-mom for giving me up, after she told me why she did it. She made the right decision, and she's also taken the time to thank my parents for raising me just the way she had hoped I'd be raised.

 

[eve]

My comments really were kind of just half tongue in cheek and exxageration, which I tend to do. Angelina herself said she was not taking film roles because she wanted to stay at home with the kids, so I assumed she was not a working mother.

Most stay-at-home mothers, also have activities outside the home - charity work, tennis, volunteer for school. But they don't call themselves working mothers. It's just a matter of semantics for me, and I was taken aback by People's rather huge headline. And most of us may have been lucky enough to have a housekeeper, pre-school, babysitter; but I truly believe she will have a cook, guard, babysitters, on and on, surely you get what I was saying? An entourage of help.

When I worked; I had very little help; I was poor. I supported my husband through medical school, internship and residency. My family didn't help me much at all and I couldn't afford hired help. I had to think of odd-jobs to do; I formed a housesitting business on top of my teaching job for extra income.

When I lived in Houston, and my child had colic, I was desperate. I had to call Houston Social Services to help me. I had to call La Leche League. Thank heavens for those agencies; we had just moved their and I had only one friend.

So perhaps therein lies the rub, for me. If you look earlier in this thread, I've done nothing but compliment them and their humanitarian efforts. I've always thought she was a bit odd, but that's my opinion. All I did was say how beautiful the baby was and I loved the Brad looked at her.

My comment about American babies, was, why not look for an American baby also? I have taught school and I can vouch for the fact that there are so many American babies and children that need good homes it's amazing. They're in poverty too, though not as drastically, but just as EMOTIONALLY bereft. I'm all for helping the world, but we have alot of problems of our own over here.

The reason I capitalize things for emphasis is that I'm computer illiterate and can't work those little thingys up there.

Great post Martha!

Eve

 

[Glow]

yup-agree, agree, agree..2 children are alive today because of them..there is the proof imo. The fact that she donates 1/3rd of her salary isnt the part that impresses me because they make so much- its not comparable to an ordinary person doing it..but its still a benefit for others and thats what counts.
People who donate big money for charity etc also have tax advantages that make it worthwhile.though I dont profess that is the motive..Its just an added incentive in managing big amounts of capital.
I think they could afford to give a whole lot more money and still live better than 99 percent of the human race..if she kept 1/3rd of her salary and lived on a smaller scale, she would still lead very affluent life. She would still have a mansion and more money than she can ever spend. Then add in the Pitt money and again..they both could do alot more giving of money. They have been smart enuf to beat the paparazzi at their own game..planning photo shoots for money to donate..I really like that they are finally exacting some power over the vultures out there. And doing it in a way that is dignified..and making it a win/win ..money for africa and pictures for the public.
Its her time and money and action all together than impresses me.

I agree with you Newtv,

I dont (of course) know Anngelina but from the interview it seems to me that she is a woman who has finally found her passion and it is NOT acting. She seems to realize that is what the world will pay to see though. So her face and her body are a vehicle to achieve what she feels is truly important.

Have any of you heard of those "seed banks" where they collect and preserve rare and endangered flowers and vegetable seeds? One is the Millennium Seed Bank Project in England and there was another one just recently in the news somewhere else in Europe. The idea is to preserve them so that they dont get lost forever.

What does that have to do with anything? Well, what if she has thought this out more than the rest of us? Mattox is from Cambodia and Zahara is from Africa, two separate areas of the world. For sure these two will grow up with a "global view" of humanity. Their mother has it and she will see to it that they do also. As healthy well educated adults with money and a consciousness of their cultural and racial heritage how much good will they in turn give back? The good accomplished would be magnified beyond the scope of adopting one or two children from ones own ethnic background or culture or even ones own country.

The world is full of "throw away" children, so much so that to many it seems overwhelming they dont even know where to start. I know I feel that way. Not Anngelina, similar to the conservation efforts of the seed banks she is using her money to trek the globe looking for the most hopeless, the most fragile and nurturing them like little "seeds" to send out into the world as adults who have a sense of how small and connected our planet and its precious cargo really are.
Maybe these are not her thoughts, but it looks like they might be. Based upon her actions that is!

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I've just heard about the seed project. Its in the polar ice cap area. That way they're protected from fall out should the unthinkable happen and someone nukes a country. I think its an excellent idea!!!

 

[TisHerself]

If you listen to AJ speak and the passion she feels, and her intentions for her own children to be nurtured in not only their own native cultures but in others, that is exactly right.
When she spoke of adopting again it was with the consideration of the mixture of cultures of Maddox and Zahara.
I agree I believe that her views are futuristic and far reaching, which is one of her reasons for adopting children from Third World Countries. Her love for her own children and for others in those countries, and the help that she has and will give can only save lives. Some children who would have died as babies, or some who would have been forced into protitution, will not because of what she has done and that is a good thing.
This goes way beyond Angelina Jolie being a movie star, it has nothing to do with that. It is just tremendously fortunate that she is one and can use that to bring her passion to the forefront (and she knows this).