Anjelica "AJ" Hadsell's Disappearance from Norfolk, VA - 3 March 2015 #2

[arkansasmimi]

ZACH 3/23 #762 That is a valid point about police letting the public know. Unless they just didn't know. They always stated 'no signs of foul play'. As far as cooperation, I wish I knew. I pleaded with the police to confirm with me that Wes was ruled out so that I could let my daughters go back over there without worry. But then of course I had to wonder it could still be somebody else and they were still dangerous to my girls. So needless to say I was keeping an eye on the Hadsell household when my daughters were there, not that I could watch 24/7. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...orfolk-3-March-2015-5&p=11617877#post11617877

This was March 23, 2 days after WH arrest. What does mean "was" keeping an eye on Hadsell household? As in past tense.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Zach 3/23 #794
That might sound convoluted but actually makes a lot of sense. I really thought something like that from the beginning. I thought maybe he knew who kidnapped her and had them stash her in an old house and then they would call him and he would rescue her but they would be gone and he saves the day and his marriage.. All just speculation.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...orfolk-3-March-2015-5&p=11618011#post11618011

Zach 4/1 #378 I have been searching for anything. Spent the weekend in the woods and swamps and looking in abandoned houses. I have contacted CNN, with no response yet. I want national media to do a story on her. I feel, spreading the information is the best way to search right now. The police are aware of possible areas to search and unfortunately, I can't say whether they are searching or not, because I don't know. The area has countless possible areas to throw whatever away. If you guys are right in saying WH did something, then that means Anjelica may not be in her earthly body anymore. I believe that if she is not, then she was gently put somewhere to be found. Aligning that with the placement of the other clues. But that is speculation and although I don't have a lot of other theories that hold water, there still may be other options, such as her being held or locked up somewhere and co-conspirators hiding her of her own will. I dearly hope and pray that God's grace shine brightly and His goodness AND JUSTICE known without doubt to all who witness this entire situation. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...rfolk-3-March-2015-10&p=11645702#post11645702

:thinking:
(March 23) Stash her in an old house?
(April 1) How are the police aware of possible areas to search? Placement of "clues"?? Such an odd word choice. referenced (JMO)

 

[arkansasmimi]

4/7 #452
NEED HELP SEARCHING. I cannot search this entire area myself. It's time I lean on good people for help.

In general we are looking for items of a young lady someone may have thrown away and also looking for identifying things along side of the road where someone might have pulled over to throw something.

BOATERS!!!! Keep an eye out. Especially areas where trash collects and where water flows. Also areas easily accessible from the road.

AREAS TO SEARCH - Anywhere is good, including abandoned houses and sheds and old or new construction sites, especially with dumpsters present. Rural areas - especially any route from Franklin to Norfolk and Hwy 17 from Deep Creek all the way to North Carolna and across West to East from 17, including Ballahack Rd that connects to S. Battlefield. Also the S. Battlefield area and surrounding rural areas and also Great Dismal swamp.

Some things to consider:

Debit card pieces were found alongside road close to home within first few days.

Jacket was reportedly found in somebody's home during the first week. It's not clear whether this was put there by someone not living in the home or by someone inside.

Clothing items were found alongside the road on South Battlefield - 20 miles from home about 3 weeks after disappearance.

Likely dump locations would be fairly easy access, without much walk from vehicle. Likely dump locations might be near fishing locations.

Please keep notes on where you have searched and how thoroughly you have searched. Photograph suspect items and locations. We can organize information and deliver to police in an easy to understand format. Be careful not to disturb items or areas that could be used as evidence http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...rfolk-3-March-2015-12&p=11664983#post11664983

Again, area exactly where AJ located. *Photograph suspect items and locations... we can organize information and deliver to police...* Isn't this the same thing that Wesley Hadsell had been doing?

Originally Posted by DexterMorgan
Zach last question from me. Is LE permitted to give you information or can they only divulge things to Jen.

Zach 4/8 #721 I talk with them but they are not really divulging anything to anyone. They have interviewed people in Jen's area and asked questions etc. but not really just giving her information. Anjelica is not a minor, so I don't think the police mind talking to me. They know the family dynamics - after I told them. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...rfolk-3-March-2015-12&p=11666144#post11666144

**what family dynamics did Zach tell them? I wouldn't think that LEO would tell Zach any info that they wouldn't share with AJ Mother and Adopted Father.

* I know some have shared their thoughts that they don't believe Zach and Wes spoke much. But Zach states different in multiple posts. Where did Zach get info he was getting? Were he and Wes sharing tips? Zach said he spoke with CF Mother, and seemed convinced it wasn't AJ jacket.

 

[missingm]

arkansasmimi, I think you have to keep in mind that many of those things he mentioned were what WS members were speculating. He also speculated a number of other things like that AJ could have just left on her own, etc.

 

[Mountaingazer]

arkansasmimi, I think you have to keep in mind that many of those things he mentioned were what WS members were speculating. He also speculated a number of other things like that AJ could have just left on her own, etc.

Yeah that list of types of places to search was compiled by Zach from WS members suggestions.

 

[arkansasmimi]

arkansasmimi, I think you have to keep in mind that many of those things he mentioned were what WS members were speculating. He also speculated a number of other things like that AJ could have just left on her own, etc.

I respect your comment. Its just clear as mud to me which is and which isn't. He also said his first thought of her overdosing out in the cold. Yet said she didn't have a history of it.

Hopefully we hear something concrete soon. I was thinking a court date was this week. Maybe I was thinking of last week. Holidays have my days mixed up lol.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Yeah that list of types of places to search was compiled by Zach from WS members suggestions.

Creepy how it ended up being where she was. I wouldn't have wanted my name on that list

 

[Mountaingazer]

Creepy how it ended up being where she was. I wouldn't have wanted my name on that list

You should check out the mapping of possible locations in the Chelsea Brick case, her body was found quite close to the very rural area of interest. And nothing creepy about it, there are very talented people on here and there are always predictable patterns in the ways crimes are committed.

 

[arkansasmimi]

You should check out the mapping of possible locations in the Chelsea Brick case, her body was found quite close to the very rural area of interest. And nothing creepy about it, there are very talented people on here and there are always predictable patterns in the ways crimes are committed.

Yes I love mapping and getting all the timelines together. But the odd part about the whole "stashed in an old house" was posted the very first day Zach started posting. I respect everyone's opinions and agree to disagree. Especially where there hasn't been a POI listed that we can sleuth. I don't like to have tunnel vision. Might miss something along the way. Thanks again for that case reference I will try to check it out. Love to learn new stuff.

 

[Ontario Mom]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...quot-Hadsell-18-Norfolk-3-March-2015-5/page20

POST #480- by verified insider Zach:

Yes, they saw her. She came to the door as they were leaving, from what I was told. My younger daughters figured she was going back to bed though

I'm sure I read this at the time, just didn't remember it. So, thank you for the reminder.

Somehow, it seems as the conversation here has been stifled. I know there are many who are convinced Wes did this, and I also know there are at least a few who are convinced Zach had something (if not everything) to do with this (even if y'all are not saying it outloud, it's pretty obvious what you think by what you're saying). I also know that there are still others who think her own mother was directly responsible.

The frustrating part is that I think the stark contrast of opinion has just left so many disconnected from commenting and this is rather discouraging. Frankly, I don't care who YOU think did what. I'd like to know your thoughts, as much as you're able to share and stay within TOS. Hopefully I haven't crossed that line myself. Trying super hard not to.

JMO.

 

[Vail]

The only thing I can share within TOS, and IMO, is that CS knows more than he is letting on. Hopefully LE is privy to whatever that is. I do not suspect AB of any wrongdoing, and in fact think he is the only one standing up for AJ with his actions and conduct right now. I also do not have any evidence to support WH being a current member of AB, but do believe he is affiliated with gang activity going back to before his first conviction, has been involved in drug activity since then in and out of prison, and that it is directly linked to AJ's death. The tattoos on his arms are so thick and dark that they look very much like coverup jobs I have seen on ex-convicts. Just a thought.

 

[Happyshoes]

Morning all, had to comment quickly before I go out, esp since Ont Mom thinks we're stifled (which we are). Haven't heard that word in ages. I am still convinced WH is the main culprit in this sad story. For one thing, just the fact that LE has kept him with no bail tells me they know enough to not let him out. I don't know enough about the law to confirm this, but seems like if he had a really good lawyer, he wouldn't have been in there all this time. I know, I know - convicted felon, ammo, etc. but I just think there's more reason than that to keep him. I am surprised they haven't said what the COD is yet. Makes me think they are building a big case, drugs involved, etc. I will be totally shocked if it's a stranger thing. I can't think of what motive ZH would have at all, or her mother. Wes said there was a sergeant who had it all figured out and I think that sergeant is right. Praying for some resolution soon. Peace for AJ.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I'm sure I read this at the time, just didn't remember it. So, thank you for the reminder.

Somehow, it seems as the conversation here has been stifled. I know there are many who are convinced Wes did this, and I also know there are at least a few who are convinced Zach had something (if not everything) to do with this (even if y'all are not saying it outloud, it's pretty obvious what you think by what you're saying). I also know that there are still others who think her own mother was directly responsible.

The frustrating part is that I think the stark contrast of opinion has just left so many disconnected from commenting and this is rather discouraging. Frankly, I don't care who YOU think did what. I'd like to know your thoughts, as much as you're able to share and stay within TOS. Hopefully I haven't crossed that line myself. Trying super hard not to.

JMO.

BBM
Just my opinion, but I have seen in other cases, which I know you have also, when gets to point in case as is where no new info, threads slows down. These threads have moved fast. True, I am one of many who came in after many threads and even the arrest of WH on the B&E. It may have been shortly before AJ remains were found. To be honest from when I started reading, I thought it was a given that the suspect was arrested , by reading comments. I have went back to the very first thread and read and commented while doing so. WOW eye opener for sure.

Then I saw where Mods said we could read Zach blog and comment. I did read and was to say the least concerned. Then to read disrespectful comments, which I was and am still shocked some still up, snapping at other members because they haven't "been here since the beginning". I realize that Mods cant catch everyone. They do an AWESOME job. They shouldn't have to babysit grown members. Emotions get raw in cases so some is to be understood, but not banishing members who ask questions or state their opinions as everyone else does. Adults know there are ways to disagree with respect. Or just ignore. Myway or the highway is a lonely road.

I didn't join Websleuths to make friends ~ or cause discord for that matter. The friendships I have made are an added blessing. Even though we may not have same viewpoint on everything, being open minded enough, you have the opportunity to see a different view and possibly change your own opinions. I joined after reading for years, just felt like joining in. I am very glad I did. I have learned a lot and continue to do so. I keep notes so I can refer back to and readjust my thinking as I read or see new stuff.

Lots of great minds and people with so many different strengths in many areas. Hoping more join back in and more info to work with soon too. As always this is just my honest opinion.

 

[arkansasmimi]

The only thing I can share within TOS, and IMO, is that CS knows more than he is letting on. Hopefully LE is privy to whatever that is. I do not suspect AB of any wrongdoing, and in fact think he is the only one standing up for AJ with his actions and conduct right now. I also do not have any evidence to support WH being a current member of AB, but do believe he is affiliated with gang activity going back to before his first conviction, has been involved in drug activity since then in and out of prison, and that it is directly linked to AJ's death. The tattoos on his arms are so thick and dark that they look very much like coverup jobs I have seen on ex-convicts. Just a thought.

BBM good point. Maybe he did that after getting out of prison and changed his ways? Again I don't know the people personally nor when/if the cover ups were done. Just the fact hasn't been in trouble in long time means something to me. That he is innocent of anything, no but it does mean something. Same as anyone else who doesn't have a criminal history, they could be guilty. We just don't know anything, as a Fact in AJ death ~YET. JMHO

 

[katydid23]

BBM good point. Maybe he did that after getting out of prison and changed his ways? Again I don't know the people personally nor when/if the cover ups were done. Just the fact hasn't been in trouble in long time means something to me. That he is innocent of anything, no but it does mean something. Same as anyone else who doesn't have a criminal history, they could be guilty. We just don't know anything, as a Fact in AJ death ~YET. JMHO

I am not sure we can say that he has not 'been in trouble in a long time.' He has admitted that he was doing cocaine routinely and it has recently escalated. He has admitted to having the ammo for a gun and going out firing it with his missing daughter. And admitted to hiding ammo in his air vent. And admitted to wanting to get back in with the Aryan Brotherhood. So I disagre that he has 'not been in any trouble' in a long time. Only that he was not caught by LE recently. JMo

 

[jojo87]

Memorial scholarship set up in AJs memory

https://m.facebook.com/pages/Anjeli...999719133380158?sk=timeline&ref=page_internal

I like this idea.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Memorial scholarship set up in AJs memory

https://m.facebook.com/pages/Anjeli...999719133380158?sk=timeline&ref=page_internal

I like this idea.

I do as well. In 2004 3 cheerleaders, on spring break were killed in a car wreck when hit turned in front of an 18 wheeler. Their parents started a The 3 Cheerleaders Scholarship Fund to keep their memories alive. They have a yearly Softball Tournament and iirc have had other fundraisers to fund the scholarship. Here is a link from 2010, but as far as I know it is still very much still going strong. I have seen on news since then. http://archive.thv11.com/news/article/108555/0/Three-Cheerleaders-Memorial-scholarship-

 

[beetrice]

BBM good point. Maybe he did that after getting out of prison and changed his ways? Again I don't know the people personally nor when/if the cover ups were done. Just the fact hasn't been in trouble in long time means something to me. That he is innocent of anything, no but it does mean something. Same as anyone else who doesn't have a criminal history, they could be guilty. We just don't know anything, as a Fact in AJ death ~YET. JMHO

I think WH may have been behaving for a while. But, if he had been an addict at one time, ( IDK), that is not always cured, as we all know. You know leopards and their spots etc. And personally, imo, times are tough, and if they were feeling the financial squeeze at all like most have, what may have begun as a money maker may have become an addiction. No matter what else went on though, I believe the underlying issue here is drugs. Usage and distribution. There may have been inappropriate relations etc, idk, (this post isnt supposed to be about that-lol) but drugs have complicated things and may be part of what is taking so long. Possibly several more crimes found while investigating AJ's death.

~jmo & all that~

 

[4 Free Speech]

Morning all, had to comment quickly before I go out, esp since Ont Mom thinks we're stifled (which we are). Haven't heard that word in ages. I am still convinced WH is the main culprit in this sad story. For one thing, just the fact that LE has kept him with no bail tells me they know enough to not let him out. I don't know enough about the law to confirm this, but seems like if he had a really good lawyer, he wouldn't have been in there all this time. I know, I know - convicted felon, ammo, etc. but I just think there's more reason than that to keep him. I am surprised they haven't said what the COD is yet. Makes me think they are building a big case, drugs involved, etc. I will be totally shocked if it's a stranger thing. I can't think of what motive ZH would have at all, or her mother. Wes said there was a sergeant who had it all figured out and I think that sergeant is right. Praying for some resolution soon. Peace for AJ.

I agree we are waiting specifically on Toxicology reports correct? If they had found nothing I think we would have heard by now. It makes me think something is brewing also, that and the fact WH is still in jail. Toxicology is for drugs and typically takes about 6 weeks according to this article:

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/features/the-truth-about-toxicology-tests?page=3

<Why do the forensic toxicology tests take so long?
Getting a complete and accurate forensic toxicology test result can be a lengthy process for a variety of reasons, according to the College of American Pathologists and experts interviewed by WebMD.

There may be a lot of specimens that need to be tested, which means more testing time. And as an investigation proceeds, information about the possibility of another drug being involved may surface, so even more testing may be needed.>

I don't see AJ as a drug user, she was active in sports. Are they speculating someone drugged her? Why Toxicology? Does the ME make the determination for COD? Again I have to wonder why it is taking so long......

Here is another good link:

http://www.dfs.virginia.gov/laboratory-forensic-services/toxicology/

<Examiners in the Toxicology Section analyze body fluids and tissues for the presence and concentrations of alcohol, drugs, and other potential poisons. Support is provided to Medical Examiners to assist in determining cause and manner of death, and to law enforcement agencies investigating crimes where drug or alcohol use may be implicated.

Non-Implied Consent Cases
Law enforcement agencies also submit blood, urine or other body fluids from suspects or victims of other crimes. Examples of these situations include drug-facilitated sexual assault, DUI/D investigations not pursuant to the implied consent statute, and child abuse or endangerment.>

Hmmmm.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I think WH may have been behaving for a while. But, if he had been an addict at one time, ( IDK), that is not always cured, as we all know. You know leopards and their spots etc. And personally, imo, times are tough, and if they were feeling the financial squeeze at all like most have, what may have begun as a money maker may have become an addiction. No matter what else went on though, I believe the underlying issue here is drugs. Usage and distribution. There may have been inappropriate relations etc, idk, (this post isnt supposed to be about that-lol) but drugs have complicated things and may be part of what is taking so long. Possibly several more crimes found while investigating AJ's death.

~jmo & all that~

I totally agree. But at this time no one has been charged on any drug crime. Even though we have heard there was residue on the scales found. And I very much agree more crimes may have been found in the investigation. By whom or what? We just have to continue to wait. The wheels of justice is slow. As Larry Jegley said (Pros Attorney in Pulaski Cty AR, in the Beverly Carter case) at the press conference the afternoon after her remains were found that morning. The wheels of justice is slow, They will take their time and get it right. That's how we do it. I have faith that these involved in this case will do no less.