Anna Christian Waters (Missing 1/16/1973 from Half Moon Bay, CA)

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  • #181
mysteriew said:
Dr. Doogie is there any Amsterdam connections?
A poster from there using the nic of eefie
http://www.musician.nl/phpbb/bb_profile.php?mode=view&user=1748

Never mind, too young.
In what little I could decipher from this site (it is in danish), it does look like the poster is probably of school age, thus too young. However, one thing that did intrigue me was the connection to music. Annasmom is a retired college-level piano teacher and Anna's two half-brothers are both accomplished musicians in their own right. If musical talent is hereditary, then it is quite possible that Anna may too be a musician.
 
  • #182
Dr. Doogie said:
In what little I could decipher from this site (it is in danish), it does look like the poster is probably of school age, thus too young. However, one thing that did intrigue me was the connection to music. Annasmom is a retired college-level piano teacher and Anna's two half-brothers are both accomplished musicians in their own right. If musical talent is hereditary, then it is quite possible that Anna may too be a musician.
If you notice the homepage on that link, you go to this site

http://www.cu2.nl/Eve-Bond-007

At the top of the page is some links which leads to photos-

http://www.dance-photos.nl/?page=alando

The photo that caught my eye is about half way down the page, three girls together,two are blonde.
Don't know if it means anything or not, but I wondered if the person whose site it is, is that young or if she is maybe a older groupie.
 
  • #183
Dr. Doogie I sent you a few more PMs....
 
  • #184
shadowangel said:
I found a George Brody, with a date of birth of "about 1896". this would have put him at around 70 at the time of Anna's disappearance, which seems a little more consistent with the photo. This person was an immigrant from Czechloslovakia, having immigrated to the US in 1913. He was living in a boarding house in Chicago in 1930, with his occupation listed as "laborer". This might explain the lack of a verifiable past for Brody. I have also found references to the name "Eifee" as both a first and last name in eastern Europe and Russia.

Just thinking out loud again.

Shadowangel: This is fascinating. Surely the name George Brody must have been assumed, then; it doesn't sound like a Czech name.
 
  • #185
Annasmom did Dr. Doogie show you a "specific" photo I sent via PM?
 
  • #186
Annasmom said:
Shadowangel: This is fascinating. Surely the name George Brody must have been assumed, then; it doesn't sound like a Czech name.
I agree totally. Most likely an "Americanization" of a Czech name, as many Italian immigrants did during the same period. I found quite a few "Brody"s who immigrated near the turn of the century, but this was the most promising going by date.
 
  • #187
PonderingThings said:
Annasmom did Dr. Doogie show you a "specific" photo I sent via PM?
Not yet. I'd like to see it. Can you send it to me?
 
  • #188
Annasmom I sent you a PM.

Edited to add: To retrieve it, go to the top, right hand corner of the screen and click on the link "private messages".
 
  • #189
Did you ever notice anything odd about Brody's speech? Any accent, maybe used the words incorrectly as far as the tense used, or even using a higher 'class' of words such as you might find in someone who studied a dictionary, who seemed unfamiliar with the idioms common in the English language? Or even could have had a trace of a British accent.
Most people who learn English as a second language, will show some signs of it. Not all, but most.
 
  • #190
mysteriew said:
Did you ever notice anything odd about Brody's speech? Any accent, maybe used the words incorrectly as far as the tense used, or even using a higher 'class' of words such as you might find in someone who studied a dictionary, who seemed unfamiliar with the idioms common in the English language? Or even could have had a trace of a British accent.
Most people who learn English as a second language, will show some signs of it. Not all, but most.

Mysteriew: His speech patterns were certainly strange, though I couldn't detect any accent that I recall except "east coast". He coined lots of words and mispronounced words which he had probably seen written but not spoken, such as "Akashic" (A-kay-shik is how he pronounced it.) I have a pretty good vocabulary, but some words he used were unfamiliar to me, such as "emanuensis". I think you must be on to something to ask such a pertinent question.
 
  • #191
Something very odd came up this week. Anna's brother remembered something which had happened about a month before she disappeared. The three children were out for a walk on the country road in front of our house and were only a little distance away from the house when a sedan stopped in the middle of the road and a man and a woman in the car tried to get Anna to get in the car. When she and her brothers refused, the car drove away. "It was really strange," he said. I asked if he had ever told the investigators about this memory, and he couldn't recall whether he had or not. Certainly I never heard this story before.
 
  • #192
Wow Annasmom that is interesting! Thank you for sharing that info!

It is possible he's incorporated it as part of his memories as children sometimes do. They hear people talking about things, like possibilities, then in their mind it becomes real, and when they grow up it becomes a memory.

Or it could have really happened, exactly as he says!

I wonder if he were hypnotised if he could describe the couple to an artist (or have the session recorded and have an artist later draw his recollection).

As you know, I have the tendency to believe Anna is alive somewhere, although I truly have nothing to base that theory on. Perhaps she was kidnapped, to be raised as an "adopted daughter"? There are some desperate people out there, and they do unexpected things!
 
  • #193
I have an idea... but I really don't know if its an "acceptable" approach, perhaps Kelly would have an opinion.

Perhaps an email could be sent to anyone, who has a published email, with the name Waters saying something like:

Subject: Have you seen her?

"You have been contacted because you share a similiar name to a child that went missing, in 1973, when she was 5 years old.

Her name is Anna Christian Waters, and she would be 38 years old now.

Please take a moment to see her missing poster from the Missing and Exploited Children's Website, it includes an age progessed photograph of what Anna may look like today http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...aseNum=601935&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

Have you ever met someone that you think is Anna?

If so, please contact National Center for Missing & Exploited Children
1-800-843-5678 (1-800-THE-LOST)

Thank you"

More people would click on a link, instead of an attached file, plus it promotes credibility. Since the people that would receive the email have the same family name, perhaps they would be more inclined to look at the poster and remember her? Since email is an international registery, perhaps someone happens to live geographically close to Anna and would recognize the photo, even if they don't recognise the name?

I do realise its a vvveeeeerrrrrryyyyyy long longshot that Anna was raised with her given name... but it is possible that her birth records were provided when she was "adopted out" (doctors arranged all kinds of adoptions back then-not all of them legit) and someone would recognise the name?

Don't know.....

If this was done, it would have to be issued from one central set of records so that someone didn't get "spammed" by different, well intentioned people.
 
  • #194
I know little about Anna's case.

Question: How would you get an email list of people with the same last name?

I think an email would be better received to people you know with a mystery angle. People like intrigue and mystery. Approach it as "30+ Year-Old Mystery Begs Attention" or something like that.

I will post Anna's case on my forum later this evening.

Kelly
 
  • #195
Thanks for coming here Kelly, I do appreciate your input.

I was using the Waters name as I'm guessing it would not be viewed as unsolicited mail by most people. Unsolicited mail - spam - makes people VERY angry!

As to finding the email addresses... they would have to be found, over the internet. I would not suggest buying lists. It would be time consuming but I'm sure someone would be interested in making the attempt?

I like your suggestion Kelly... kinda like, you tell 2 friends, and they tell 2 friends, and so on, and so on.

BUT NOT A CHAIN LETTER!

I do envision false leads being generated as well. Is the family "up" for that?

Of course there is ALWAYS the possibility that just one person would be reached... the person who knows what happened to her!
 
  • #196
I don't know how you would get an email list of people with a certain last name without buying it. My maiden name is much more common, like Waters. If someone sent me an unsolicited based upon my last name, I would not be happy. You are better off trying to circulate an email among friends/acquantainces/relatives.

Leads should ALWAYS go to LE or a valid org who accepts leads, such as NCMA. I'm not sure if DOE takes leads or not. The family needs to be out of that loop because it can wreak havoc on their physche having to go through the ups and downs of lead verification. It is better if LE tells them after validity has been determined and family knowledge will not hinder the investigation.

I hope this helps.

Kelly
 
  • #197
Question: Was the NCMEC age progression done using photos of Anna's biological parents taken at that age or close? (36)

To Anna's family: I am sorry you have had to endure this loss for all of these years. I write a blog about missing persons and would be interested in doing her story. Please write me at [email protected] if you are interested.

Kelly
 
  • #198
PonderingThings said:
I have an idea... but I really don't know if its an "acceptable" approach, perhaps Kelly would have an opinion.

Perhaps an email could be sent to anyone, who has a published email, with the name Waters saying something like:...
I have sent an email worded pretty close to what you suggested to every "Anna Waters" that I could find an email for - no response from any of them. The only one I did get a response from was one who I really persued strongly - one with the same birth year and a picture that closely resembled the age-progressed pictures of Anna. It turned out that she was not her.

Sending an email to people named "Waters" would probably not be of value because she would not have been kept by any of George Waters' family. His family has been very supportive of Annasmom, even when he was alive. They are as concerned and confused about what happened to Anna as anyone.

Publicity about the case would be good (if managed properly). That is why I started this forum in the first place. However, spreading the story by email is fraught with dangers - even if the first receipients of the email were spefically chosen because of their concern for cases such as this, it wouldn't take long before people altered certain details and names until the message would be lost (Anybody remember the little boy dying of cancer who wanted to receive a world record number of get-well cards. Well, he got better and is alive twenty years later, yet emails still circulate with several different names listed and the Make-A-Wish Foundation is begging people to stop sending cards because they cannot handle the load).
 
  • #199
Annasmom said:
Something very odd came up this week. Anna's brother remembered something which had happened about a month before she disappeared. The three children were out for a walk on the country road in front of our house and were only a little distance away from the house when a sedan stopped in the middle of the road and a man and a woman in the car tried to get Anna to get in the car. When she and her brothers refused, the car drove away. "It was really strange," he said. I asked if he had ever told the investigators about this memory, and he couldn't recall whether he had or not. Certainly I never heard this story before.
Let me put this revelation into perspective: This is the first direct clue that Anna was the target of an abduction. More to the point, it was by a couple (not a lone male predator), so the possibility that she was raised by this couple and could still be alive and out there to be found is greatly increased. This is very exciting!
 
  • #200
Kelly said:
Question: Was the NCMEC age progression done using photos of Anna's biological parents taken at that age or close? (36)

To Anna's family: I am sorry you have had to endure this loss for all of these years. I write a blog about missing persons and would be interested in doing her story. Please write me at [email protected] if you are interested.

Kelly

Kelly,
The most recent NCMEC age progression used pictures of both parents at about age 35 and also consulted photos of Anna's brothers. Over the years, their age-progression program has become better and better; some of the early ones didn't really look like anyone I would recognize. Regarding the blog, at the moment I am concentrating hard on a book-length manuscript, but once I get that finished, I'd be very grateful to be included in your words. Thank you for your interest.
 
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