Anna Christian Waters (Missing 1/16/1973 from Half Moon Bay, CA)

[PonderingThings]

Good point about the email campaign Dr. Doogie.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Good point about the email campaign Dr. Doogie.

I hope that I am not being a "wet blanket" and too quickly dismiss ideas that people have suggested. This is obviously new territory for Anna's family and myself, and I do not want to discourage people from tossing out new ideas, even ones that at the time seem "crazy". Please keep the suggestions coming and one of those crazy ideas may just be the key to solving this case.

 

[PonderingThings]

I, for one, have found both you Dr. Doogie, and Anna's Mom to be VERY open to receiving information and ideas.

My only concern is sometimes providing something that might upset the family - as in the emotional hi-low roller coaster. I believe you've all been through enough! There is that saying: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". I hope I'm not sending anyone down that road just because my efforts are well intentioned.

In the case of the email idea, it was posted purposely to get feedback. Not every idea is a good one. Sometimes one idea generates a different or modified idea that is far superior. That's what brainstorming is all about!

Just my opinion though.

to Anna's family and friends.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

My only concern is sometimes providing something that might upset the family - as in the emotional hi-low roller coaster. I believe you've all been through enough! There is that saying: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". I hope I'm not sending anyone down that road just because my efforts are well intentioned.

Pondering:

I had the same concerns when I first contacted Annasmom back when I felt that Anna could have been Sharon Marshall. It had been a few years since we had been in contact and I wasn't sure how the reaction would be to "reopening old wounds". Annasmom explained that the wounds never heal, so reopening them is not an issue. Annasmom has been absolutely amazed and grateful for the level of interest on this forum. Courtesy and sensitivity should always be our guideline for conduct, but do not fear the emotional roller coaster - we may go up and down, but we are also moving forward!

 

[Annasmom]

I know little about Anna's case.

Question: How would you get an email list of people with the same last name?

I think an email would be better received to people you know with a mystery angle. People like intrigue and mystery. Approach it as "30+ Year-Old Mystery Begs Attention" or something like that.

I will post Anna's case on my forum later this evening.

Kelly

Kelly, I just looked at some of your pages and want you to know that my heart is with you. You are creating words and images of consolation and beauty for other people. I hope that this good work provides some consolation for you as well.

 

[Kelly]

Thanks, Annasmom.

Yes, I would say that in doing my work, I receive some healing, too.

Thank you for the answer about the age progression. I have run into quite a few when they do not attempt to get the info that will produce the best results.

I would love to feature Anna's story on the blog whenever you are ready. Please keep my email in your file.

If anyone in the family is an activist, please also point them to my Campaign for the Missing 2006 on the blog. We need more family members helping with this.

With Hope Always,
Kelly

 

[Dr. Doogie]

With the new information concerning possible abduction by a couple, this increases the possibility that Anna is alive and perhaps searching for her birth parents. This means that adoption reunion sites need to be researched for possible matches. I have found one site that shows an adoptee with the correct birthday in San Francisco whom I have sent an email for further information, but this was listed on the only one site that I have been able to research.

If anyone out there wants to help persue this, be aware that I have been posting Anna's info at these sites. You may find what appears to be an exact match, but it was posted by me, not an adoptee. If you see a "posted by" name of Doug French, it is one of my posts.

 

[mysteriew]

She went to school somewhere. Anyone members at classmate.com or reunion.com?

 

[PonderingThings]

Question: If Anna was abducted, by strangers, would they use her real birthday?

If she was adopted by someone, who had contact with a non stranger in Anna's life, who used her real birth certificate in the adoption process, I'd say yes.... maybe.

But strangers? No.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Question: If Anna was abducted, by strangers, would they use her real birthday?

If she was adopted by someone, who had contact with a non stranger in Anna's life, who used her real birth certificate in the adoption process, I'd say yes.... maybe.

But strangers? No.

Your analysis is correct - it would require her to be raised by someone who had knowledge of her correct birthday (an aquaintance of George Waters perhaps?)

The chances of this adoptee being Anna are slim, but at a time when we are looking for Anna who was born 9/25/67 in San Francisco, there is a woman born 9/25/67 in San Francisco looking for her birth-parents. The eye and hair color listed on the profile match (brown/brown) and she lists the "adoption date" and "decree date" as "not available". This would fit with an illegal "adoption" - though to be fair, there are other, less sinister reason for it not being available. All-in-all, it is something that is worth looking in to, if for no other reason than to eliminate the possibility.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

She went to school somewhere. Anyone members at classmate.com or reunion.com?

We really do think alike!

I had checked both sites for "Anna Waters" and did find one potential match based on name, age and a close resemblence to the age-progressed photos. I spent a couple months hunting her down and generally being a pest until she responded that she was not our Anna (the data that she provided showed that she was being truthful).

It may well be that Anna is listed on those sites under a different name, but until we know what that name is, we are kinda stuck on this track.

 

[PonderingThings]

I came across a posting on Cyberpages just a few days ago where a woman was looking for siblings. Since this has nothing to do with Anna I'm posting it as a reference only. It happened in 1961 and there were various siblings adopted on a "non official" basis.

Perhaps those are the kind of posts to be looking out for, if it matches the 1973-1974 date range?

 

[mysteriew]

Is anyone a member at craigslist.com? They have gotten pretty popular in some areas. How about posting her there?

 

[mysteriew]

missingusa.net
http://members.boardhost.com/BellCo/

Anna's Mom, I hope you don't mind. Because of the possibility of the George's being involved in her disappearance- I included the name Eifee. With their insistance on giving her the name, I just felt that if they were involved in the disappearance, it may have stuck with her.

 

[mysteriew]

Dr. Doogie here is an international site. I don't have Anna's picture on file so didn't post it here. But it wouldn't hurt to do so.

http://www.wmco.org/report/engelsrep.html

 

[mysteriew]

This question may have been asked before, but has Anna's mom had her DNA added to the FBI database, for use in comparision to UID's?

 

[Dr. Doogie]

This question may have been asked before, but has Anna's mom had her DNA added to the FBI database, for use in comparision to UID's?

I do not believe so. One problem I imagine is the logistics of getting the San Mateo County Sheriff Department to take a sample. They have not shown a lot of recent interest in this case, even when evidence turned up that got the NCMEC very excited. It is draining to have to beg them to do what they should be eager to do - THEIR JOB!!!!

 

[mysteriew]

I do not believe so. One problem I imagine is the logistics of getting the San Mateo County Sheriff Department to take a sample. They have not shown a lot of recent interest in this case, even when evidence turned up that got the NCMEC very excited. It is draining to have to beg them to do what they should be eager to do - THEIR JOB!!!!

That database is operated by the FBI. The laws were different then, but now all kidnappings can be considered by the FBI. How about bypassing them and contacting the FBI direct and making the request. Or I think the NCMEC can request it if she asks. If they cannot, at least she can get them to back her when she requests it. I am not sure if a charge is assessed to the parents.

I don't know the procedure for submitting to the database. But here is the congessional report about it and the fed law which governs it....

DNA identification records of persons convicted of crimes;
analyses of DNA samples recovered from crime scenes;
analyses of DNA samples recovered from unidentified human remains; and
analyses of DNA samples voluntarily contributed from relatives of missing persons. See 42 U.S.C.S. §14132(a).
http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress01/dwight061201.htm

More discussion:
http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/dnapolicybook_miss_persons.htm

Since it is covered by federal law, most likely there won't be a charge against the local dept (that would need to be verified). And if no charge to them, then they shouldn't have any objections to it.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I am becoming more-and-more cautiously optimistic about the woman who posted to an adoption reunioun registry. Let me toss some statistics around to explain why I have revised my opinion.

The following are averaged out for the years 1999 through 2001 in San Francisco County:

3 Year total of births: 25,088
Average daily number of births: 22.9
Percentage of births for Non-Hispanic Whites: 34.4
Number of births daily for Non-Hispanic Whites: 7.9
Number of female births daily (assuming 50%): 4.0

What this means is that during these years, an average of four white females were born in San Francisco during an average day. Then you factor in how many of those would have brown eyes and brown hair and that number would reduce somewhat. Then consider how many of those would either be adopted or consider themselves adopted and you would realistically come up with a small number (I am sure that it would average out to less than 1 on any particular day).

Since these numbers are based on recent years and San Francisco in 1967 was a different place than it is today (different ethnic percentages and the influx of young whites into SF for the "Summer of Love", etc), these numbers would skew somewhat. However, even increasing the statistics by a factor of two would mean that there were only a couple of people who would fit this criteria. And we are on the trail of one of them.

I am waiting for a response from the poster via email. Since the phone number that she provided on the site is disconnected, I am researching all people listed in phone directories with the same name to try and find her. I will let you all know when I have any success.

 

[Annasmom]

That database is operated by the FBI. The laws were different then, but now all kidnappings can be considered by the FBI. How about bypassing them and contacting the FBI direct and making the request. Or I think the NCMEC can request it if she asks. If they cannot, at least she can get them to back her when she requests it. I am not sure if a charge is assessed to the parents.

I don't know the procedure for submitting to the database. But here is the congessional report about it and the fed law which governs it....

DNA identification records of persons convicted of crimes;
analyses of DNA samples recovered from crime scenes;
analyses of DNA samples recovered from unidentified human remains; and
analyses of DNA samples voluntarily contributed from relatives of missing persons. See 42 U.S.C.S. §14132(a).
http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress01/dwight061201.htm

More discussion:
http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/dnapolicybook_miss_persons.htm

Since it is covered by federal law, most likely there won't be a charge against the local dept (that would need to be verified). And if no charge to them, then they shouldn't have any objections to it.

I have mentioned it to my contact at the NCMEC, who said "that might be a good idea", but I think both the National Center and our local sheriff's department put such old cases at an extremely low priority, especially considering present constraints on their budgets. I believe that if an unidentified Jane Doe turned up with similarities to our case, they would ask me for a DNA sample; as it happens, they have not, and I haven't pushed for it.