Another Sawgrass

[Muzikman]

Interesting post, I respect the work and thought involved.:idea::aktion033:

IMO Casey fabricated some of the names she used in her story from people she knew, such as from Middle and High School, childhood friends and acquaintances. Many months ago sleuthers had checked out the Colonial High yearbook and some of the names she mentioned were in it and it was suggested that she mixed up those persons first and last names.
Since some believe Casey lives 10 minutes at a time what easier way to invent people than based on those you have known in your past.

Also, local and State LE :cop: with the help of the FBI would have(IMO)done an extensive search on those names not only in Florida but across the US including PR.:earth: Casey was the one to give those specific names to LE to find and it was Casey who lied :liar: about those names/people. That's my :twocents:

Agree. Also, if there were ANY small sliver of truth to this, Baez would have been all over this with his investigators and would have been accusing LE of shoddy work in several of his many press conferences. And saying how it could be these two, not Casey.

 

[Balthazar]

Agree. Also, if there were ANY small sliver of truth to this, Baez would have been all over this with his investigators and would have been accusing LE of shoddy work in several of his many press conferences. And saying how it could be these two, not Casey.

Baez DID accuse the police of shoddy work and he DID say that his people were having to do the investigation work that police failed to do in open court a couple of months back. He has never made any accusations against anyone else, but his team has said that:

1. Casey should never have been arrested in the first place.

2. Casey is innocent.

3. There is no case against Casey.

4. There is a reasonable explanation for everything that they will tell us in the courtroom.

5. Compared this case to the Sam Shepard case.

 

[Muzikman]

Baez DID accuse the police of shoddy work and he DID say that his people were having to do the investigation work that police failed to do in open court a couple of months back. He has never made any accusations against anyone else, but his team has said that:

1. Casey should never have been arrested in the first place.

2. Casey is innocent.

3. There is no case against Casey.

4. There is a reasonable explanation for everything that they will tell us in the courtroom.

5. Compared this case to the Sam Shepard case.

Yes, he said that with nothing to back him up. He was just running his mouth. Do you actually believe him, Princess? <incredulous look>

If he actually had specifics - such as these 2 ladies being involved - that would be well-known by now. Media would have been informed during one of his numerous press conferences, or he would have "leaked" it to them.

He has, instead, come to find out that LE actually did NOT do shoddy work, and his client will be behind bars for a long time. And if it does come to light that any of Baez's "investigators" actually found evidence that turns out to be useful, well... I'll eat my hat! One of'em anyway. :crazy:

 

[magic-cat]

KC could have known any number of folks and used their names in conjunction with her lies and fairytales but that does not prove or even imply that she is not guilty. Her baby was missing for 31 days and she did not report it. She had no intention of ever reporting it and only did so because her mother "captured" her and put an end to her little "vacation" she was taking with her new boyfriend and his buddies. There is no spoon-there is no nanny-and there is nobody else to blame but the one who has been playing mind games with the entire country since day 31. If these women had anything to do with this you can guarantee that LE would have nailed that down for certain and long ago. The SODI defense just won't cut it considering all of Casey's lies, her inaction and her attitude since being brought in on charges for this crime. I do want justice for Caylee. And I also want the real killer punished. Since Casey IS the real killer and responsible for every little bit of this when she is brought to justice then Caylee will justified. Nothing and nobody else can achieve justice for baby Caylee than her own lying murderous egg donor (I find it difficult to think of KC as a mother).

 

[Ripley007]

IIRC-"Sawgrass ZG", the one who's suing, DID fill out her app card listing 2 roomates. But if IRC, the listed names were the REAL names of two of ZG's adult children. The fact that KC claims that ZG had 2 roomates, and drove a silver Ford Focus car with New York Plates (so close to the truth!) points to me that KC DID get a quick glance at ZG's info card on June 17th when she toured the EMPTY and available apt (#214?) at Sawgrass. What another apartment complex named Sawgrass would have to do with anything is beyond me. This one we know about provides enough clues to make one crazy as it is. lol

 

[Bathbuddys]

I bet Jose is soooo REGRETTING not doing a speedy trial on his monster.
The doo just keeps on getting deeper and deeper and deeper.

I wonder if he will be involved in her take down after all?

 

[tweety933]

Was there any Sawgrass where Caylee's remains were found? Maybe that is why she said the last place she saw Caylee was at Sawgrass. Wondering how Casey's mind works.....hummmm

 

[Hollys G-mom]

Would it be a stretch to believe Gale SJ also noted another Sawgrass and took her focus there? But that's not anywhere near where Caylee was dumped.

I am very happy! Gale St John went to Sawgrass Plantation Rd???? I didn't know about that one. Weird I did't realize that since I have been a member of her site since before this story broke! I gotta go check this out. Gale's psychic sense took her out there and I NOW believe there is a REAL CONNECTION to that area beyond that Casey happened to know them. My opinion but I am entitled to it. Also regardless of how you feel about psychics or psychic phenomenon, this is yet another connection to this area.

If you think that there is no other suspect then Casey, then good for you. For the rest of us who still have doubts and/or want to help look into this please keep posting any information you can find. I'm thrilled to realize that I am NOT the only one who would like to see this through to resolution.

Also checkmate22, thanks for all of your help and for finding a place to post my previous post. I was having a really hard time deciding which thread to put it in. I didn't want it buried in all these pages and postings. Once again, thanks.

Also I don't think Gale was drawn there because of Caylee's body being there, I believe it had to do with Caylee's murderer or Caylee HAD been there before, possibly regularly.

 

[Hollys G-mom]

This was posted by another member. I am trying to help her find the right thread to put it under so any help would be great. Please read with an open mind!!!

Samantha G nee O & Jennifer R

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What if....there really is a Samantha G & Jennifer R? Could Jennifer and Zeniada both now be related to Jesus O and possibly thereby both related to Caylee by marriage?

I recently decided to do some searching for the "missing" players just to see what I could come up with. It proved to be rather interesting, IMO. While searching through the Orlando public records I found that:

1. A Samantha G married a Pedro Carlos O on June 2, 2008. This could be why LE have not been able to locate her. They are looking for G, not O.

2. There are 2 different Jennifer R with traffic violations. Both in the right age range DOB 1982 & 1986. 1 just got a traffic ticket, the other got a ticket & violated probation concurrently.

3. I did a phone look up for addresses on these two ladies and found address listed for both names (Samantha O & Jennifer R). Strangely enough they BOTH have Casey's same zip code. This is not because they are all from Orlando as other people in the public records have various different zip codes listed. AnyWho & Whitepages.com both list the same phone number and address for both of these women. I don't want to post it as it might be someone completely uninvolved in this case. I can however provide both if necessary.

4. When I did a ping map comparision of where these two women live or lived I was startled. They live within 2-3 miles of each other, just south of HWY 417 and immediately south of the airport. There is a ping map for June 25 2008 that has a yellow house sitting exactly on the spot where these 2 women live, yet it is not listed as to who's house it is. All others are accounted for, but not this one house. I believe that these properties are well within the ping maps we have been using. I remember that there were some searches done out near the airport. I wonder how close they were to these addresses.

5. When I did a property appraisal search on both properties they both appear to be rental properties. Each owned by someone other than Ortiz or Rosa and neither filed as Homestead Exemption. Both have been owned for 3-10 years also, so not a new sale.

6. Both properties are located just off of Sawgrass Plantation Rd.

I have been discussing these findings with another sluether here and she has encouraged me to come forward with these findings to see if any other sleuthers can help find information on these women. Before anyone starts ranting and raving about Casey's guilt and that I am just trying to help the defense by putting up doubt, let me just say this:
Do you just want to kill Casey or do you want to find justice for Caylee by helping catch her murderer? What if I'm right? Will you let a potential murderer or murderers go free because of preconcieved notions and/or ideas?
I think more like a scientist. Pick a theory and try to PROVE it until it is obvious it CAN'T be proven. So far, there is still room for doubt. You however, can make the difference. Prove that these two are not and could not possibly be the two people Casey is refering to and this road will be forever closed to the defense. bolded by original poster

I had been looking a various ping maps and thought I remembered which date it was, but when I went back to look at it again I noticed that the date of the ping map wasn't the 25th of June. I don't really know which one it was and it's driving me crazy!!! I looked last night for which one it might have been, but no luck yet. When I find it, you can bet I'll post about which one it was.

 

[cloud9]

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/...st-john-back-in-orlando-searching-for-caylee/

 

[Balthazar]

Yes, he said that with nothing to back him up. He was just running his mouth. Do you actually believe him, Princess? <incredulous look>

If he actually had specifics - such as these 2 ladies being involved - that would be well-known by now. Media would have been informed during one of his numerous press conferences, or he would have "leaked" it to them.

He has, instead, come to find out that LE actually did NOT do shoddy work, and his client will be behind bars for a long time. And if it does come to light that any of Baez's "investigators" actually found evidence that turns out to be useful, well... I'll eat my hat! One of'em anyway. :crazy:

Baez made the comment regarding the shoddy police work at the hearing where he introduced Andrea Lyon on May 28, 2009 - not quite 2 months ago. What makes you think he's discovered anything different since then? It is also clear that Baez is not going to leak the defense case. This is something he's actually done very well despite his inexperience with high profile cases. So, I guess we will just have to wait for the trial to find out what his investigators discovered, if anything. While it's possible that the defense comments are posturing, it is equally possible that there is truth to them. So, I would say I neither believe nor disbelieve Baez. I am simply observing without bias or making assumptions.

 

[Jolynna]

IIRC-"Sawgrass ZG", the one who's suing, DID fill out her app card listing 2 roomates. But if IRC, the listed names were the REAL names of two of ZG's adult children. The fact that KC claims that ZG had 2 roomates, and drove a silver Ford Focus car with New York Plates (so close to the truth!) points to me that KC DID get a quick glance at ZG's info card on June 17th when she toured the EMPTY and available apt (#214?) at Sawgrass. What another apartment complex named Sawgrass would have to do with anything is beyond me. This one we know about provides enough clues to make one crazy as it is. lol

I am not sure how KC got the information that matched the real person ZG. Besides KC knowing people that still lived in Sawgrass KC took LE to, KC had multiple contacts from the tattoo shop. The real ZG had at least one tie to the same tattoo shop. So there is more than one place KC could have heard of the real ZG.

 

[MissJames]

Since we are on the subject of another Sawgrass ,I thought it might be interesting to see if any of the other known players have a connection to that Sawgrass. I've always wondered if they checked out any of the other babysitters for Caylee.KC seems to tell partial truths in her lies.The most reasonable to me would be that she left Caylee with another babysitter.Someone she might be protecting.Could be at this very Sawgrass.
Who would be the other sitters that KC might actually have left Caylee with,since ZG has been ruled out?

 

[Jolynna]

BBM

Then we may all just throw in the towel. If this is the case there is no such thing in the USA as justice.Good to know that the people who work for little pay trying to keep us all safe are appreciated.
The A's had PI's .The defense had PI's .It's been a year.IF there is any evidence that someone else did this,I'm sure we'll find out. Why KC hasn't come forward is beyond my comprehension.

BBM Good point, Miss James!

KC at least knows who besides herself (if anyone?)had access to Caylee after Caylee was filmed alive at the nursing home and before KC went to Blockbusters with Tony.

 

[Intermezzo]

Since we are on the subject of another Sawgrass ,I thought it might be interesting to see if any of the other known players have a connection to that Sawgrass. I've always wondered if they checked out any of the other babysitters for Caylee.KC seems to tell partial truths in her lies.The most reasonable to me would be that she left Caylee with another babysitter.Someone she might be protecting.Could be at this very Sawgrass.
Who would be the other sitters that KC might actually have left Caylee with,since ZG has been ruled out?

BBM
Someone add or correct me, but the only ones that I have read that babysat Caylee were
1)Casey
2)Cindy and George
3)The Grunds-for a few months when Caylee was an infant.
3)Lauren G (?)-also when Caylee was an infant/toddler then found out Casey lied to her about having a job while she babysat for free and attended school.
4)Holly(the A's friend)admitted to having babysat Caylee, not sure how often.

IMHO YES, someone is being protected here and it's Casey.
As Brini posted on another thread and I agree with :clap:
"We EXPECT more intelligence, because we ARE more intelligent. And, she baffled all of us for so long.
So, we all (self in particular) looked for more sophistication re: criminal behavior, than really existed."

 

[MissJames]

BBM
Someone add or correct me, but the only ones that I have read that babysat Caylee were
1)Casey
2)Cindy and George
3)The Grunds-for a few months when Caylee was an infant.
3)Lauren G (?)-also when Caylee was an infant/toddler then found out Casey lied to her about having a job while she babysat for free and attended school.
4)Holly(the A's friend)admitted to having babysat Caylee, not sure how often.

IMHO YES, someone is being protected here and it's Casey.
As Brini posted on another thread and I agree with :clap:
"We EXPECT more intelligence, because we ARE more intelligent. And, she baffled all of us for so long.
So, we all (self in particular) looked for more sophistication re: criminal behavior, than really existed."

I agree with you. It seems like there are still people willing to throw others under the bus to try and save KC.That was kind of my point.
I don't really think the other "nannys" / babysitters had anything to do with it,but since Hollys Gmom and other posters are interested in finding out if there is a connection to the two unknown women,why not explore the known babysitters,Lauren and Holly G? Jessie G has been cleared .It would have been easy for the prosecution to go with him if there had been ANY evidence,but there wasn't.Not sure ,but there could be charges coming for G and C.That leaves the two other babysitters. Why do we never hear about either of them possibly being connected?

 

[Tuffy]

I will once again state....I am not looking for your opinion on the validity of this information. I would prefer to hear from those who have something to add to the data so far or who are willing to help. There are hundreds of threads here where you can argue about her guilt or innocence. It would be nice if this particular thread was about data, proven or unproven. Why try to discourage us? If you are right about her guilt then our efforts will eventually prove YOUR POINT OF VIEW. Does it hurt the prosecution for us to try? If you are that worried about reasonable doubt from jury members by anything we dig up, then maybe this case isnn't so ironclad.
Bottom line.... we don't have all of the evidence gathered, not even in the document dumps. We don't know for sure IF the LE have even investigated these women. Plus I know how the prosecution system works. If it's easier to pin a crime on someone, then to acctually dig up the perpetrator....they will pin the easiest person. Just because they feel they have a good case against Casey doesn't automatically mean they have all the answers. Not to mention the media frenzy and how they HAVE to CHARGE SOMEBODY just to keep public from screaming about finding someone.
PS we don't know if thier numbers have changed, or even if there really is another phone with thier numbers in it!!!

BBM

This is not how the prosecution system works. MOO

 

[carrie]

Baez made the comment regarding the shoddy police work at the hearing where he introduced Andrea Lyon on May 28, 2009 - not quite 2 months ago. What makes you think he's discovered anything different since then? It is also clear that Baez is not going to leak the defense case. This is something he's actually done very well despite his inexperience with high profile cases. So, I guess we will just have to wait for the trial to find out what his investigators discovered, if anything. While it's possible that the defense comments are posturing, it is equally possible that there is truth to them. So, I would say I neither believe nor disbelieve Baez. I am simply observing without bias or making assumptions.

BBM


The same laws concerning discovery and evidence apply to the defense as to the prosecution. So if Baez has any evidence he has to turn it over to the prosecution “in a timely manner” or he can’t use it at the trial. It's not a matter of leaking the info. In FL, the Sunshine Laws require anything that LE turns over to the Defense be made available to the public. That's why we have the doc dumps. Any evidence Baez has must be turned over to the Prosecutors and will also be made public. Neither side can wait till the trial because then, by law, it woudn't be admissible in court.

 

[MarleneM]

I agree with you. It seems like there are still people willing to throw others under the bus to try and save KC.That was kind of my point.
I don't really think the other "nannys" / had anything to do with it,but since Hollys Gmom and other posters are interested in finding out if there is a connection to the two unknown women,why not explore the known babysitters, and Holly G? Jessie G has been cleared .It would have been easy for the prosecution to go with him if there had been ANY evidence,but there wasn't.Not sure ,but there could be charges coming for G and C.That leaves the two other babysitters. Why do we never hear about either of them possibly being connected?

Very good point MissJames! :clap: Why indeed? :waitasec:

 

[TakeNote]

BBM


The same laws concerning discovery and evidence apply to the defense as to the prosecution. So if Baez has any evidence he has to turn it over to the prosecution &#8220;in a timely manner&#8221; or he can&#8217;t use it at the trial. It's not a matter of leaking the info. In FL, the Sunshine Laws require anything that LE turns over to the Defense be made available to the public. That's why we have the doc dumps. Any evidence Baez has must be turned over to the Prosecutors and will also be made public. Neither side can wait till the trial because then, by law, it woudn't be admissible in court.

dont get me wrong here....i believe KC is the one who killed Caylee....but.....

the sunshine law does not apply if there is still an ongoing investigation.....

meaning.....they can turn things over to each other....but it can not be made public....http://www.myflsunshine.com/sun.nsf/sunmanual/1BB05D142D8E4724852566F3006C7A1A

meaning....if......and i mean IF......there is anyone else that is involved with this case (KC)....and LE is still investigating the crime....they can not make it public....

for example: if Kc was involved with some shaddy practice, and the death of Caylee accured while this crime was happening.....and there were others involved in this shaddy practice....but the LE is still oncovering it....then they would not make it known to the public.....im not saying that anyone else killed Caylee or that this shaddy practice caused the death....but there could be a second part of the story that was going on at the same time period as the death of Caylee.....could be totaly unrelated to Caylee's death but still a crime that needs to be uncovered that involved KC

im not saying that is what is going on....im just throwing that out there....we have not seen everything that LE has!

does that make since?......LOL