Another Sawgrass

[Muzikman]

I have no idea about the many places named Sawgrass - I was responding to Brini's comment. AZLawyer, you know as well as I do that there are both good and bad attorneys. There are those who are ethical and those who are going to manipulate and milk a situation for all it's worth. It happens all the time and attorneys get away with it all the time.

Princess Rose, do you really believe that Casey would be willing to sit in jail for a couple of years at least (until this comes to trial, including postponements which are coming from the Defense) so that Baez could bolster his career?

NO WAY. She, as well as her family, would be shouting from the rooftops that she is innocent, and submitting concrete evidence for public consumption. And creating reasonable doubt, at the very minimum. There is absolutely no valid reason to wait, IMO.

They have nothing. Casey has dug her own grave - completely through her own words and actions.

The defense is searching - desperately, I might add - for anything that could possibly muddy the waters, which would include another Sawgrass. IMHO

 

[Dells]

Anyone with good knowledge of attorneys, business and legal proceedings should be able to figure out exactly why an attorney would wait for trial to exonerate his client. I don't know if Baez has the proof to exonerate Casey or not, but I do know that if he does have that proof, he would be a fool NOT to wait until the trial to present it because successfully exonerating Casey at trial would be a career making move. So, if he really has the information to exonerate Casey, that is what is stopping him from going to LE and exonerating her now. Being a defense attorney is a business and Baez should want to do what is best for his business and, if he can exonerate Casey, what is best for his business would be waiting until the trial.

If Baez has the proof that will exonerate Casey, and he is waiting for trial to reveal this information, then why does he keep trying to delay the trial? That doesn't make sense to me. I personally think that JB is full of hot air and instead of making statements like my client is innocent, or she will be exonerated at trial, he should just say that she is not guilty of the charges against her.... that is if he must say anything at all.

 

[RR0004]

I have no idea about the many places named Sawgrass - I was responding to Brini's comment. AZLawyer, you know as well as I do that there are both good and bad attorneys. There are those who are ethical and those who are going to manipulate and milk a situation for all it's worth. It happens all the time and attorneys get away with it all the time.

...but I don't think AL would want to be associated with such an attorney...it could be career suicide to do that. She doesn't need to make a name for herself...she has the name...she would never want to see that name tarnished IMO.

PS- there is no other Sawgrass.

 

[Shear22]

The answer to that is it depends on why he is not reporting it. There could be a very valid reason that can only be heard in a courtroom.

Any evidence potentially used at trial would have to be turned over to the prosecution in discovery first. If there is a 'surprise' witness JB would at the very least have to inform the prosecution and allow them to depose that witness. If there are documents or physical evidence they would have to be turned over to the prosecution first.

 

[Balthazar]

Princess Rose, do you really believe that Casey would be willing to sit in jail for a couple of years at least (until this comes to trial, including postponements which are coming from the Defense) so that Baez could bolster his career?

NO WAY. She, as well as her family, would be shouting from the rooftops that she is innocent, and submitting concrete evidence for public consumption. And creating reasonable doubt, at the very minimum. There is absolutely no valid reason to wait, IMO.

They have nothing. Casey has dug her own grave - completely through her own words and actions.

The defense is searching - desperately, I might add - for anything that could possibly muddy the waters, which would include another Sawgrass. IMHO

I believe that Casey is in a situation where she is completely dependent upon her attorneys. I believe she could easily be manipulated by said attorneys to do whatever they say, including waiting until the trial. There are many possible valid reasons to wait until trial to reveal their case IF the defense has proof of Casey's innocence.

I KNOW that the prosecution is NOT always right. I KNOW for absolute indisputable fact that even the most INNOCENT person, even the VICTIM of a crime CAN be made to look GUILTY by the prosecution and LE. I can cite cases where this has happened if you are interested. That's why I won't make my mind up on this case until it goes to trial.

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

The Southern edge of the Boggy Creek Swamp is .6 miles from Samantha O's address, as the crow flies. This is the same area that had been searched, witnesses placed Casey in this area on certain dates, cell pings off tower at airport and some in the area I have been discussing.
I still say that prior to 6/15, Casey faked having a job for more than a year. Who besides Cindy, Casey, & Holly took care of Caylee? I know Caylee's where-abouts from 06/08 have been accounted for, but what about the time prior to that?

OK...it's unanimous....I STILL haven't a clue what the "swamp" or SO has to do with anything at this point in the case....or, at this point in the discovery process. Are innocent people AGAIN being dragged back into KC's trail of lies and the destruction of their reputations and privacy??
You never seem to give us a LINK to any of your "findings" or what you supposedly think is going on. Could you help by giving us some info - like WHICH "certain dates" was she seen at Boggy Creek Swamp.....what pings in particular and date/times.... whose witness statements??
The info in this case has been coming for months at 1000 pages at a clip....it kinda helps to get some REAL reference points for your discussion you keep pushing about SO and her name BEFORE she became "SO" and possibly related to Jesus O, etc....I'm not gonna get into it. You all can go back to Post #11 on this thread or the link below....but it's getting a little lame, sorry Holly's G-mom. And let poor JO rest in peace already...no need to keep dragging that family back into things.
Just FYI....there isn't only ONE "Ortiz" or "Gonzalez(s)" in Orlando....and LE probably had the smarts to "check out" SR, even though she got married and her name is SO now.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86939"]Samantha G nee O & Jennifer R - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

I believe that Casey is in a situation where she is completely dependent upon her attorneys. I believe she could easily be manipulated by said attorneys to do whatever they say, including waiting until the trial. There are many possible valid reasons to wait until trial to reveal their case IF the defense has proof of Casey's innocence.

I KNOW that the prosecution is NOT always right. I KNOW for absolute indisputable fact that even the most INNOCENT person, even the VICTIM of a crime CAN be made to look GUILTY by the prosecution and LE. I can cite cases where this has happened if you are interested. That's why I won't make my mind up on this case until it goes to trial.

I have to disagree....KC is running her own "circus" here....AND, you're right - the prosecution and ANYONE for that matter can make mistakes. BUT, there is soooo much damaging evidence just shown in discovery alone, so far.
And....it IS a fact that IF the prosecution found any info that exonerates the prisoner, they MUST turn it over to the defense....AND vice versa. We're talkin MILLIONS of taxpayers money here....and a clients life....JB has NO info that's gonna exonerate his client...neither does the state.....just not gonna happen.

 

[Brini]

The Southern edge of the Boggy Creek Swamp is .6 miles from Samantha O's address, as the crow flies. This is the same area that had been searched, witnesses placed Casey in this area on certain dates, cell pings off tower at airport and some in the area I have been discussing.
I still say that prior to 6/15, Casey faked having a job for more than a year. Who besides Cindy, Casey, & Holly took care of Caylee? I know Caylee's where-abouts from 06/08 have been accounted for, but what about the time prior to that?

Witnesses placed Caylee in over 2,000 locations. These include NY, PR, and VA.

CA, KC, Holly and .. was it Lauren? Her name was mentioned earlier in the thread.

Two of the four hadn't seen KC or Caylee in months, and were cleared by LE.

Everybody's been cleared BUT KC.

 

[Brini]

I believe that Casey is in a situation where she is completely dependent upon her attorneys. I believe she could easily be manipulated by said attorneys to do whatever they say, including waiting until the trial. There are many possible valid reasons to wait until trial to reveal their case IF the defense has proof of Casey's innocence.

I KNOW that the prosecution is NOT always right. I KNOW for absolute indisputable fact that even the most INNOCENT person, even the VICTIM of a crime CAN be made to look GUILTY by the prosecution and LE. I can cite cases where this has happened if you are interested. That's why I won't make my mind up on this case until it goes to trial.

KC has the legal power to fire JB at any time.

What evidence do you have that she is "being manipulated?"

Did OCSD AND the FBI totally mess up the case that badly? The State AND the Feds? The FBI is said to have the finest labs, and the best cops in the world.

How was all of this MOUNTAIN of evidence manufactured, by whom, and where is the evidence?

How was Caylee taken from KC, and by whom?

Why has KC not reported who REALLY had the child?

How was KC persuaded to keep Caylee's dead body in ther trunk.

Most of all, what do these several other sawgrasses have to do with the crime?

 

[Tuffy]

BTW-- What have the various other Sawgrasses have to do with the crime?

What evidence is there that any one else is involved, if that is what is being implied?

Brini, good question!

There is no evidence that anyone else, or any other Sawgrass location has anything to do with this.

IMO there is a lot of grasping at straws to find someone other than KC to pin this on. I really think that before one more person is implicated in this crime, there better be a whole lot more reason given besides "KC doesn't trust them."

 

[okiedokietoo]

The answer to that is it depends on why he is not reporting it. There could be a very valid reason that can only be heard in a courtroom.

ok, like what?

 

[Brini]

I have no idea about the many places named Sawgrass - I was responding to Brini's comment. AZLawyer, you know as well as I do that there are both good and bad attorneys. There are those who are ethical and those who are going to manipulate and milk a situation for all it's worth. It happens all the time and attorneys get away with it all the time.

What evidence to you have against JB, and why have the other attorneys involved with KC not filed against him with the Bar?

I don't think he's very good, myself. But, if he has evidence that would exonerate KC, it would be a huge career boost to get her OUT. Which he has not done.

Also, if he has said evidence.. why are KC AND her family letting her sit in jail?

And, if he DID have said evidence, and let her sit in jail, he can be disbarred. Maybe prosecuted. That would be the END of his career.

 

[MarleneM]

I believe that Casey is in a situation where she is completely dependent upon her attorneys. I believe she could easily be manipulated by said attorneys to do whatever they say, including waiting until the trial. There are many possible valid reasons to wait until trial to reveal their case IF the defense has proof of Casey's innocence.

I KNOW that the prosecution is NOT always right. I KNOW for absolute indisputable fact that even the most INNOCENT person, even the VICTIM of a crime CAN be made to look GUILTY by the prosecution and LE. I can cite cases where this has happened if you are interested. That's why I won't make my mind up on this case until it goes to trial.

Such as?

 

[Brini]

ok, like what?

Yes, I was just wondering that, myself.

 

[Brini]

The Southern edge of the Boggy Creek Swamp is .6 miles from Samantha O's address, as the crow flies. This is the same area that had been searched, witnesses placed Casey in this area on certain dates, cell pings off tower at airport and some in the area I have been discussing.
I still say that prior to 6/15, Casey faked having a job for more than a year. Who besides Cindy, Casey, & Holly took care of Caylee? I know Caylee's where-abouts from 06/08 have been accounted for, but what about the time prior to that?

Which dates were claimed by witnesses, and which show pings in the area of the other Sawgrass?

I thought we didn't find any pings for the dates of Caylee's disappearance?

 

[Brini]

Anyone with good knowledge of attorneys, business and legal proceedings should be able to figure out exactly why an attorney would wait for trial to exonerate his client. I don't know if Baez has the proof to exonerate Casey or not, but I do know that if he does have that proof, he would be a fool NOT to wait until the trial to present it because successfully exonerating Casey at trial would be a career making move. So, if he really has the information to exonerate Casey, that is what is stopping him from going to LE and exonerating her now. Being a defense attorney is a business and Baez should want to do what is best for his business and, if he can exonerate Casey, what is best for his business would be waiting until the trial.

The attorneys in my family say that there IS no valid reason to let her sit in the slam, if the atty has evidence that exonerates the client.

 

[Brini]

I have no legal background, and may not be the sharpest tack in the box but wouldn't it be CRIMINAL of JB to have knowledge of someone other than Casey committing this crime and NOT reporting it ASAP? Legal eagles, please weigh in.

Nothin' wrong with the sharpness of the point on YOUR tack!
:blowkiss::clap::clap:

 

[Brini]

The answer to that is it depends on why he is not reporting it. There could be a very valid reason that can only be heard in a courtroom.

Not according to what I'm hearing from the lawyers whom I've asked.

 

[okiedokietoo]

I believe that Casey is in a situation where she is completely dependent upon her attorneys. I believe she could easily be manipulated by said attorneys to do whatever they say, including waiting until the trial. There are many possible valid reasons to wait until trial to reveal their case IF the defense has proof of Casey's innocence.

I KNOW that the prosecution is NOT always right. I KNOW for absolute indisputable fact that even the most INNOCENT person, even the VICTIM of a crime CAN be made to look GUILTY by the prosecution and LE. I can cite cases where this has happened if you are interested. That's why I won't make my mind up on this case until it goes to trial.

I don't believe that KC is the sharpest tack but she is not some innocent naive young girl either. At this point in time CA and GA are totally aware of Defense tactics and somewhat aware or totally aware of plan for Defense. I do believe that if they didn't agree with AL they would be throwing a fit.

http://www.ndran.org/Capital%20Defense%20Handbook.htm
Capital Defense Handbook
For Defendants and their Families
(quoted from very long article)
Defense counsel will want to learn as much about the history of the defendant as possible. This requires gathering background records, including: records of hospitalizations, mental examinations, treatments, school, military and jail records, employment records, family history; including mental health problems in the family. Counsel needs the assistance of family members in this process.

And, another Sawgrass Apartment Complex or not there has been not evidence to substantiate KC's story of the existence of a Nanny that watched Caylee for months, months, and took Caylee.

 

[Themis]

The attorneys in my family say that there IS no valid reason to let her sit in the slam, if the atty has evidence that exonerates the client.

I can actually think of one -- and only one -- reason that by its nature the defense team would have to wait until trial to show their defense strategy. It isn't exoneration exactly but might, if successful (fat chance), result in an aquittal. That one reason is ...... [drum roll here please] ......


because the only defense strategy they have developed is to attack the prosecution's case through cross examining the prosecution's witnesses on the stand. That strategy would have to wait until each prosecution witness has testified -- at trial. :floorlaugh: