Anthony A Shore, Death Row, & JonBenet?

[Credence]

Did you find where it said it quite utilizing Southern bell and went to utilizing Bell South. I found one place where it mentioned 1984 in the breakups Bell South was one that kept using the name but it was Southern Bell before Bell South correct........I am no expert. Mountain Bell has been everything out here from Ma Bell to Qwest.

Actually the name is Southern Bell Telephone & Telegraph Company referred to as SBTC was the only local telephone company that kept the same name after divestiture. Recently when SBC acquired them and they became known as SBC and that may change yet again because they just merged with AT&T.

 

[keriekerie]

"There is not one single piece of evidence that says the R's didnt do this"

you are menat to look for evidence that they did, not that they didn't.

 

[BBB167893]

You mind clarifying that, keriekerie?

 

[Jayelles]

And, John worked for one of the telephone companies in his early career.

John Ramsey worked for AT&T.

Q. Did you leave AT&T on favorable terms?
7 A. As far as I know.
8 Q. You weren't fired from AT&T?
9 A. Well, the program was a -- let's try it for a
10 year, then make a decision whether or not this is going to
11 work or not. And we both concluded it wasn't.
12 Q. So it was a mutual decision or was it --
13 A. Well, it was -- AT&T had the right to decide,
14 and they did decide that I wasn't a good fit for their
15 management, top management rank.
16 Q. Do you know what they based that decision on or
17 what --
18 A. I think I wasn't as aggressive or as strong a
19 personality as they felt they needed to see in a big
20 organization.
21 Q. You weren't enough of a jerk?
22 A. Didn't have enough of an impact.
23 Q. Did you hear my question?
24 A. Yeah.
25 Q. Is that what it boils down to?
Page 26
1 A. I think it -- yeah, they were looking for people
2 that would come in and challenge the system and make
3 waves.

http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/10201998Depo-JohnRamsey.htm

 

[Eagle1]

"There is not one single piece of evidence that says the R's didnt do this"

you are menat to look for evidence that they did, not that they didn't.

Where is that written?

 

[Eagle1]

John Ramsey worked for AT&T.


http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/10201998Depo-JohnRamsey.htm

Wasn't it said that when JR was ready to go back to his Access Graphics job, there had been a phone call or two threatening that someone there would die if they took him back, or was that just a rumor, guys? He'd worked for AT&T before Access Graphics? Or, that was a part of AT&T?

Graphics sounds like art, visuals, for computers.

 

[Solace]

Where is that written?

In the evidence rule book.

 

[flowerdragon]

Is this a sample of Shore's handwriting? Where it says "no photo yet" on the drawn graphic? Not sure if that's his handwriting. If it is, it doesn't appear to match the Ramsey ransom note - the "no photo yet" has very straight lines, not the curvy wormy lines in the ransom note.

http://www.todesstrafe-usa.de/death_penalty/voices_tx_shore.htm

no this is not his handwriting but someone named redrum from murderauction.com who was a friend of Tony's who has helped him sell other artwork and odd items of personal value. I believe Tony met him through his 3 wife Linda, a friend of her son

 

[flowerdragon]

How could we find out where he lived before Houston, because he didn't move there until 1981.

I tried a keyword search to see if he's been executed, didn't find anything yet. Bumping this up because of the coincidences. His m.o. wasn't always precisely the same, usually no ransom note but what if he had an accomplice, who also maybe worked for SBTC, who wrote it?

San Antonio isn't far from where Lee Harvey Oswald allegedly went for some reason in the months before Dallas, something about international agents, his stay in Russia or whatever, maybe someone remembers. Or was it Mexico City where he OR a lookalike went, and , I think, was photographed? Wouldn't that kind of people be interested in phone companies?

I've just come from cleaning up my faves list, and under "Daddy's Little Princess" at http://www.konformist.com/jonbenet.htm I think there's such a theory, due to JR's international travel. I'm reminded also of "The Jackal", Bruce Willis version, where he does something to a woman and tells her boyfriend or husband "You can't protect your women," which I think could well be the message intended for JR too from someone jealous of him. Just a thought.

He lived in Sacramento , California where he was in High School at Del Campo High School.and then American River College and Sacramento State University a very good student more than outstanding artist , writer and probably the most gifted person in music talent you could ever meet so say the teachers and various people who had any contact with him in the industry.

 

[JMO8778]

never mind,I didn't read far back enough,lol.

 

[flowerdragon]

Having slept on it, I need to correct my above post. Probably the "Letter from Prison" is all lies, about his being into music and art, playing with celebrities, right?

He didn't usually write ransom notes, not part of his usual "m.o." But serial killers do sometimes vary their m.o. The R's could have met him in Texas, so have they been asked, and do they know anything about this?

The missing Christmas morning video may have been taken by the perp if there was one, jealous of families and their happiness and success.

But police saying their phones weren't working, and a lot of bungling, actually suggests a lot more than one person? Calls for speculation, I know. Ofc French said he didn't open the door because it had been painted and seemed stuck, right? Baloney?

oddly enough he is telling the truth about music art and playing with celebs he sat in with a band called J.L.Richards who later became the rock band Tesla he also played with Sparticus, ValHalla (not van halen val halla is out of Sacto) Tia Maria and a few others before he ever left Sacto. It is my understanding he Met a lot more and played with a lot more out in Tex. I met Walter Mathau when I came out to visit Tony in June of 1987 I also met quite a few jazz musians he was in contact with and played with around that time. His first wife Gina Worley know more about his life after Sacto . She still lives in the Houston area as does his Second wife Amy Lynch (grand daughter of Lynch of Merrill Lynch)they both claim he did in fact know and hang out with the "rich and well known" I know when he was finally arrested he had a standing gig at some Jazz club out there in Houston

 

[flowerdragon]

Any new thoughts on Anthony Shore? A lot of simiilarities possibly. Does anyone know of any books about his crimes?

Corey Mitchell is releasing a book later this year I think Aug or Sept Mr Mitchell has a web site through Myspace and I think a few others you can access through the web search engines

 

[JMO8778]

Actually the name is Southern Bell Telephone & Telegraph Company

to those that think that might be how the note is signed,I think it would have been SBTTC if that's what was meant.but I think PR wrote the note,so IMO,it doesn't really matter.

 

[flowerdragon]

Corey Mitchell is releasing a book later this year I think Aug or Sept Mr Mitchell has a web site through Myspace and I think a few others you can access through the web search engines

Book shoud have the title of Ego Maniac unless The publisher has changed the title again :banghead:

 

[nickatnoon61]

"There is not one single piece of evidence that says the R's didnt do this"

you are menat to look for evidence that they did, not that they didn't.

I agree 100% kk! The Ramseys are Elite Occult Satanists! J.B.Ramsey was a Xmas Eve, ritual killing to their God Molech. Now, who actually did the deed, I don't know, but the parents were involved. The 2 top centers for Satanism are Atlanta, and Denver. The Ramseys travelled between the 2 cities often, and lived in both. John Ramsey oozes EVIL!
I have researched a ton of MK Ultra stuff, and I have found that most if not all of the serial killers,rapists, assassins,etc., are CIA engineered Manchurian Candidates. Most of you will probably not believe this, b/c it is too "out there" for yous. I have met 2-3 victims personally, and lived with one, for a short time, last year....LUCKILY, b/c it was a nightmare for me!!! These sheriffs/police have no idea that these perps, whom they call EVIL, are MPDs, and have no control over their own minds whatsoever!

 

[madeleine]

Not that it has anything to do with this case but


[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Allen_Shore[/ame]

Anthony Allen Shore is a serial killer that is responsible for the slayings of four women. He operated from 1987 to 2000, and known as the "Tourniquet Killer" since he used a ligature with a either a toothbrush or bamboo stick to tighten or loosen the ligature to control them. The instrument was similar to a twitch, which is used by farmers to control horses.[1].


Did any of the suspects in the JB case own/like/ride horses?

 

[DeeDee249]

Not that it has anything to do with this case but


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Allen_Shore

Anthony Allen Shore is a serial killer that is responsible for the slayings of four women. He operated from 1987 to 2000, and known as the "Tourniquet Killer" since he used a ligature with a either a toothbrush or bamboo stick to tighten or loosen the ligature to control them. The instrument was similar to a twitch, which is used by farmers to control horses.[1].


Did any of the suspects in the JB case own/like/ride horses?

Not sure, but someone who rides horses may not be familiar with devices used by farmers.

 

[thelmadawg]

I started this thread a long time ago, but I still wonder about this man: Anthony Tony Shore.

He worked for SBTC and was fired

He was a telephone lineman (special knots and rope used for climbing)

The odd telephone call from the Ramsey residence

His preferred victims were young or petite and methodology was garrote - see one description below

Hated father (ransom note indicated a dislilke of JR or of men in general)

Feigned or warped relilgious beliefs

Very bright, well spoken, musical, and manipulative personality

Toward the end he played high school and musical venues, that could have possible included JBR and her mother, Patsy.

Ultimately molested his own daughters. JonBenet, if he had read about her or seen her would have absolutely tripped his triggers in mho, and a drive from Texas to Boulder would have meant nothing in comparison.

I have emailed several time to BPD with no response. Just want to know if he has been cleared by CODIS, tested, or not. Texas system in dissarray for several years.

This is one description excerpt from a book by an Author named Corey:

" There appeared to be some type of yellow nylon rope, like a boat docking rope, twisted around it. The ends of the rope had been purposefully melted to prevent fraying. Inserted within the rope was what appeared to be two pieces of a broken blue toothbrush handle. The end with the bristles was positioned directly below the area of the ligature. The entire contraption had the rudimentary appearance of a crude tourniquet"

I feel he fits the perfect profile for JB killer. Whether it was him is another story.

 

[Ames]

I started this thread a long time ago, but I still wonder about this man: Anthony Tony Shore.

He worked for SBTC and was fired

He was a telephone lineman (special knots and rope used for climbing)

The odd telephone call from the Ramsey residence

His preferred victims were young or petite and methodology was garrote - see one description below

Hated father (ransom note indicated a dislilke of JR or of men in general)

Feigned or warped relilgious beliefs

Very bright, well spoken, musical, and manipulative personality

Toward the end he played high school and musical venues, that could have possible included JBR and her mother, Patsy.

Ultimately molested his own daughters. JonBenet, if he had read about her or seen her would have absolutely tripped his triggers in mho, and a drive from Texas to Boulder would have meant nothing in comparison.

I have emailed several time to BPD with no response. Just want to know if he has been cleared by CODIS, tested, or not. Texas system in dissarray for several years.

This is one description excerpt from a book by an Author named Corey:

" There appeared to be some type of yellow nylon rope, like a boat docking rope, twisted around it. The ends of the rope had been purposefully melted to prevent fraying. Inserted within the rope was what appeared to be two pieces of a broken blue toothbrush handle. The end with the bristles was positioned directly below the area of the ligature. The entire contraption had the rudimentary appearance of a crude tourniquet"

I feel he fits the perfect profile for JB killer. Whether it was him is another story.

The method of strangulation is the same, but...did he leave a three page RN, and leave the body inside the home with his other victims? Did he wrap his other victims up..."lovingly, papoose style (JR's own words)"? Wipe his other victims down? Or do you know? Weird that he worked for SBTC, though.

Is it possible that the Ramsey's had heard of this guy before, and of his murders...and his method??

 

[thelmadawg]

The method of strangulation is the same, but...did he leave a three page RN, and leave the body inside the home with his other victims? Did he wrap his other victims up..."lovingly, papoose style (JR's own words)"? Wipe his other victims down? Or do you know? Weird that he worked for SBTC, though.

Is it possible that the Ramsey's had heard of this guy before, and of his murders...and his method??

His other murders were out of home, but he did invade one young girl's home we know about and stated he had watched her and knew all about her. She screamed, made a lot of noise and fortunately escaped his ultimate punishment.

If JonBenet was a target, I suspect he would have planned it all out very carefully -- no chance encounter. He never left a ransom note, but he did notify media on at least one occasion of his victim and location -- indicating he wanted attention for his crime.

The knot used in JonBenet's case was very similar to, or exactly like a "Prusik" knot used by lineman, tree climbers and the like. The link to that type of knot is in an earlier reply on this thread, and it's eerie.

I don't believe he was apprehended until after JB's death.