Anthony Defense Questions Whether Evidence Staged

[momtective]

ITA. And the defense trying to say the evidence was staged is about as ludicrous as George saying he didn't mow his yard for five weeks. Are we supposed to believe that RK picked up the skull broke the mandible off, ran down to the A's house, took the Henkel Duct tape, ran back, fixed the mandible (why?!) then took the roll back, noticed that silly old George left his blowhole open on his gas can, fixed that, sloppily...decided to have a swim, moved the pool ladder and left the gate open?

But of course.:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

I guess I knew all of this garbage would be coming but I really wasn't prepared for it. The defense will stop at nothing to create reasonable doubt.

 

[LancelotLink]

But of course.:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

I guess I knew all of this garbage would be coming but I really wasn't prepared for it. The defense will stop at nothing to create reasonable doubt.

I hear ya. However, nothing they have come up with is even reasonable. Why is that? Because they know exactly what happened. All they can do is attack the testimonies of everyone involved, leaving the jury to wonder if the state has the goods to convict this poor single mother, blah blah blah...
I'm surprised they have not tried to set up JH, but wait, maybe not so surprised. JH as well as DC know ALOT of what was going on behind the wizard's curtain.
These silly defense strategies will be nothing compared to the fallout that is coming in the form of DC! IMO.

 

[cecybeans]

Interesting to me that these two little "pro defense" nuggets, if you can even call them that, were leaked to the media by someone on the team while JB may have been chasing down experts at a scientific conference. Particularly when one of them has to do with questions CM asked Dr. G.

These are things that have been discussed extensively on line (possible drowning scenario and the condition of the evidence when the remains were found) and dismissed by an overwhelming majority of folks, but they may not have been discussed much by the media. If the defense wants to try and see what public and possible jury reaction might be to these "factoids", they could simply jump on line and read the massive amounts of skepticism about either of these potential lines of thinking and the multitude of other evidence that handily negate or neutralize their credibility.

However, it strikes me that, once again, a member of the defense team (first T Lenamon and now CM) is trying to create an exit strategy of an accidental drowning death (courtesy of CA and GA early on) for the defendant, should she suddenly wake up before trial and try for a plea, or perhaps during the course of it, when it becomes obvious to her that either a ludicrous SODDI strategy is failing miserably, or that it is becoming apparent to the court that premeditative elements, the forensic evidence, and her inappropriate behavior after the fact are starting to add up to Murder One.

After all, Miss Perfect Mother is now a convicted felon and apparently legendary liar, despite all attempts to maintain otherwise.

 

[logicalgirl]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/02/26/earlyshow/saturday/main20036784.shtml


I can see their defense IF they didn't implicate RK...okay, ICA had a terrible accident, she panics (all those calls to mom and pop) and makes up this elaborate story of this nanny and an abduction. She was more afraid of her mother than the police so she made it appear as if the child were kidnapped...so she "staged" the area. She continued on with her life for 31 days, evaded her parents because she couldn't tell them about what happened to Caylee because she feared her mother, so she had to continue to lie to pretend....

Possible for a jury to swallow, but would it get her a manslaughter conviction? JMHO


Justice for Caylee

I can see why you are suggesting this could fly, but I also believe if the Defense tries this approach, the SA will ask for reasons or examples of situations in the past to "show" or "prove" ICA has good cause to fear her mother. To give examples in the past when CA behaved in a way that ICA should be afraid her.

True, there are many on the board who feel Cindy was controlling and overbearing, but I'm not sold the Defense can show any other situation when ICA trembled or cowered when facing her mother's so called wrath. Why not just play the clip from the jail when ICA lost her temper and f-bombed her parents? No fear there.

 

[kaRN]

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BBM Tell me the defense isn't totally guilty of this. Staged evidence? Now that's a symptom of paranoia. Delusions of grandeur and paranoia. Allmost makes me wonder if the extra 4500 for a confidential pychiatric consultant will be going towards treatment for counsel. IMO they need it.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Let us hope she can show some emotion for Caylee...finally.
imo

Depends on whether or not Baez or one of her handlers instructs her to cry imo. Her new mom Andrea Lyon may not be there to cradle her and teach her to look human.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Even if the skull WERE tampered with (which I do not believe for a minute), then someone needs to explain how the rest of Caylee's little bones got scattered there in the swamp, and had obviously been there for months. Besides, Kronk would had to have been able to "age" the duct tape to make it appear as if it had been there for months. How preposterous.

The sheer weakness of of this argument by defense shows the total weakness of their case. Once pictures of the skull with duct tape are shown to a jury, I don't think any person in that courtroom would dare to open their mouth to attempt to explain away that this child were murdered and that the murderer is sitting right there at the defense table. I think that Cindy, George and Lee Anthony won't be able to hold their heads up after seeing the pictures, much less look at Casey after seeing what was done to Caylee. Hearing about it and actually seeing images are two different things.

Roy Kronk FOUND her. Once he saw exactly what it was he found, Roy Kronk called it in. Isn't that what any single one of us would have done? As far as touching the skull, it was also touched by the LE person who had to pick up the skull, bag it and bring it in. And the duct tape DIDN'T move because it was still wrapped around the head and hair. Casey did a bang-up job of taping Caylee's little face and head.

ITA - and I don't get how focusing this intensely on the skull is of any value WHEN there was also the 31 days, decomp, etc, we all know the long list of incriminating evidence. It all needs to be explained, it cannot be explained in a way that makes ICA look innocent (cause she isn't).

 

[ZsaZsa]

I don't know if JA or LDB watch the local news but if they do I bet they just chuckle at this kind of nonsense. You have a local TV station with lousy ratings- so they have to come up with something sensational to sell any adverts on the 11pm news slot. Hmmm- let's think, what could that be ?

 

[doogiesgirl]

I don't know if JA or LDB watch the local news but if they do I bet they just chuckle at this kind of nonsense. You have a local TV station with lousy ratings- so they have to come up with something sensational to sell any adverts on the 11pm news slot. Hmmm- let's think, what could that be ?

Totally agree. A real snoozefest, not even worthy of a :waitasec:

This is SOP for JB. (tee hee it rhymes) :deadhorse:

Basically it can be summed up like this.....Same s*#t, different day!

:cow:

 

[LancelotLink]

Totally agree. A real snoozefest, not even worthy of a :waitasec:

This is SOP for JB. (tee hee it rhymes) :deadhorse:

Basically it can be summed up like this.....Same s*#t, different day!

:cow:

BBMe
May I borrow most of this for a siggy?

 

[strach304]

I can just see ICA having to sit there while the prosecution describes this horrid image. She won't be able to contain herself.... again.

I have yet to see an authentic emotional response from Casey when anyone mentions anything about Caylee's remains. They could be discussing the weather for all she cares. There was that one time when JA was describing Caylee's death. But I really do think that was upsetting to her for what the consequences will be.

 

[strach304]

ITA. And the defense trying to say the evidence was staged is about as ludicrous as George saying he didn't mow his yard for five weeks. Are we supposed to believe that RK picked up the skull broke the mandible off, ran down to the A's house, took the Henkel Duct tape, ran back, fixed the mandible (why?!) then took the roll back, noticed that silly old George left his blowhole open on his gas can, fixed that, sloppily...decided to have a swim, moved the pool ladder and left the gate open?

Hmm, maybe in Caseyland that scenario is believable. The forensics on the tape should prove that the tape was there for a long time so good luck with that DT.

 

[LambChop]

I guess they are trying anything they can to make people think this is a cliff hanger. Oooh, stay tuned...news at 11!!

Either that or they are the dimmest bulbs in the ceiling fan.

Ya know, I just got back from Orlando and I REALLLLYYYY don't think people are fixated on KC. In her dreams, maybe, and that of her defense team. I just did not see it. There are just too many other things going on in Orlando to even care about KC's fate. We see it here because we all feel personally involved. Defense is trying to make the rest of the world think KC can not get a fair trial and keeps spinning, spinning, spinning and I believe the locals have just put the "ignore" button on. It's a city of entertainment and KC is yesterday's news. jmo

 

[Firefly]

Ok, I am completely confused. From the article and the first comment, I thought it was the SKULL that was reattached WITH duct tape. OR is it that duct tape was removed and then reapplied and staged (as per defense)?

I thought/read/concluded that the Prosecution's "computerized composite of her skull with duct tape appearing to be reattached" meant that the skull had looked like it had been reattached with duct tape.

This is MY scenerio....sorry Caylee you are not an "it"...but humor me.
Casey moved the body a few times, my belief, even having it move as she was driving it around and it decomposing all the while, I believe parts came apart. So when dear Mother before placing her in her grave applied MORE duct tape to "reattached" the head in proper position AFTER she had applied the other duct tape. It would a Prosecution gold mine, if the "killer" took the time to reattach the head in its proper position. Only someone that "loved" her would care to properly set the head, or a mandible for that matter, back in place on the body....with duct tape.... A killer would have discarded the remains as is...my opinion. To properly duct tape something BACK IN PLACE would show that they wanted to remember them NOT in pieces.....

Now that was my take on reading the first comment and the article.
Now you know why I am confused.

 

[Melanie]

I can just see ICA having to sit there while the prosecution describes this horrid image. She won't be able to contain herself.... again.

Make them stop, make them stop, make them stop -- followed by FAKE

:tears::tears::tears:

Sad, quite frankly, that we now more about ICA than the average folk.

MOO

Mel

 

[doogiesgirl]

BBMe
May I borrow most of this for a siggy?

Ha ha ha

You go on and GO FOR IT!! (It's SO appropriate huh?)

 

[TotallyObsessed]

If, that is IF, there was any staging done, it was done by KC to try and put forth a kidnapping attempt by imaginanny and her trusty roll of duct tape....

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

I believe the jurors will see right though this allegation.

If Caylee accidently drowned, one call to 911 and ICA might have skated...Caylee's final resting place at Suburban is the secondary crime scene, IMO...then there's the pontiac's trunk smell of death, hits from the cadaver dogs in the backyard where Caylee resided..so, do we have a total of 4 crime scenes if it were to include the accidental drowning...so if the crime scene at Suburban was staged, it was staged by ICA...

How will the defense separate this prisoner from her initial statement? Zani the nanny is all over it. She can't even narrow down the timeframe in which she allegedly dropped Caylee at the stairwell. A four hour window of between 9 and 1..who will buy that scenario?

Another thought came to mind. Will this prove that the Anthony's took fradulent donations with an allegedly missing Caylee? Will ICA sneak in, well when I was bonded out in August, I finally got the nerve to tell my mother what actually happened. She told me to just keep on with the secret script scenario, keep saying the nanny didn't return Caylee and let it play out. As long as there is no body, they can't prove anything...as usual, my mother always got me out of trouble so I did just what she told me to...I never thought Caylee would be found...either way, her ship will sink. There is no way around the nanny did it, how will the defense spin that added RK in the mix...it will do her in, any which way you look at it..I believe those jurors will see right though all the smut. The SA's will keep them on track. I believe a powerful opening statement, refuting all of the defense tactics even before they give their opening, will have those jurors listening intently and come to the conclusion of the State....as always, JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

[Intermezzo]

Ya know, I just got back from Orlando and I REALLLLYYYY don't think people are fixated on KC. In her dreams, maybe, and that of her defense team. I just did not see it. There are just too many other things going on in Orlando to even care about KC's fate. We see it here because we all feel personally involved. Defense is trying to make the rest of the world think KC can not get a fair trial and keeps spinning, spinning, spinning and I believe the locals have just put the "ignore" button on. It's a city of entertainment and KC is yesterday's news. jmo

I agree with your whole post Lambchop..especially the part BBM

 

[Aedrys]

Totally agree. A real snoozefest, not even worthy of a :waitasec:

This is SOP for JB. (tee hee it rhymes) :deadhorse:

Basically it can be summed up like this.....Same s*#t, different day!

:cow:

Exactly. Because the crime scene being staged would completely make the rest of the case fall apart. NOT. What about that pesky stuff from the house at the scene or the fact that the duct tape is from the Anthony house too? Unless Kronk has supernatural powers or has a legion of squirrel minions at his disposal, I don't think that's going to work, Baez.

They need to really focus on the big picture and not the small puzzle pieces that make it up. This is getting beyond ridiculous into just plain stupid.

You know what, just keep focusing on that mitigation phase, Baez. With a defense like this, you are SO going to need the mitigation phase of a lifetime to keep Casey from death!