Anthony's Seek Full Immunity#2

[Lanie]

if George lied about seeing Caylee and KC on the 16th, by lying it moves the actual crime scene out of the A's house and to some unknown location. It blocks alot of direct investigation in his house. Which if it is the actual scene of the scrime, shields KC from possible evidence found there.

If it is a lie, it is a HUGE lie, one that directly and deliberately interfered with a homicide investigation. And one that could lead to accesory after the fact type charges.

I agree, and also good luck to him trying to claim ignorance, being ex-LE and all.
Lanie

 

[MiraclesHappen]

Quote faefrost
if George lied about seeing Caylee and KC on the 16th, by lying it moves the actual crime scene out of the A's house and to some unknown location. It blocks alot of direct investigation in his house. Which if it is the actual scene of the scrime, shields KC from possible evidence found there.

If it is a lie, it is a HUGE lie, one that directly and deliberately interfered with a homicide investigation. And one that could lead to accesory after the fact type charges.

I agree, and also good luck to him trying to claim ignorance, being ex-LE and all.
Lanie

I cannot wrap my mind around this. Can somebody explain further?

If Casey leaves with Caylee Sunday night, there is no body and the location of the killing is unknown.
If Casey leaves Monday with Casey, there is no body and the location of the crime is unknown.

How does this lie affect the probable cause necessary to get a search warrant???:blowkiss:

 

[debs]

Quote faefrost
if George lied about seeing Caylee and KC on the 16th, by lying it moves the actual crime scene out of the A's house and to some unknown location. It blocks alot of direct investigation in his house. Which if it is the actual scene of the scrime, shields KC from possible evidence found there.

If it is a lie, it is a HUGE lie, one that directly and deliberately interfered with a homicide investigation. And one that could lead to accesory after the fact type charges.






I cannot wrap my mind around this. Can somebody explain further?

If Casey leaves with Caylee Sunday night, there is no body and the location of the killing is unknown.
If Casey leaves Monday with Casey, there is no body and the location of the crime is unknown.

How does this lie affect the probable cause necessary to get a search warrant???:blowkiss:

"Evidence found with the remains directly link to the Anthony home." would be the only cause for a search warrant. George's statements prior to this were nothing more than his statements, but now measured against evidence found, could prove to be not only lies but obstruction or outright accessory-after-the-fact. I'll leave that to LE to measure it all, though.

 

[amethyst221]

Just speaking for myself, I don't really know if the house was the crime scene or not. I could still see lying about a huge fight over stealing, Caylee, lifestyle (involving CA allegedly putting her hands on the neck of Casey) on Sunday night, and whether things were normal and routine the next day or not, about how CA and Casey stayed in touch all the time in a happy fashion after Casey moved out, etc., as important anyway. If they were lies, they could be intended to divert suspicion away from Casey.

 

[Lanie]

Hypothetically, I strongly agree that IF this were a lie, it is a significant one. A child was missing, and LE was trying to determine when she she went missing, with whom she was last seen alive, etc. It's part of the basics or essentials of the investigation. Trying to act as if nothing amiss happened on the night of the 15th, no argument over money thefts from family members or whatever, tawdry lifestyle choices, etc., IF in fact it did, would be another example. Whether such lies seem effective or smart isn't the test of illegality. What they would be more suggestive of would be some sort of concern that Casey was responsible and the resulting desire to misdirect the investigation away from her.

I have read several posts along this line and it has gotten me to thinking. I was one of those who defended them over giving the wrong date of when Caylee disappeared, even though it has always seemed bizarre to me they would forget about Father's Day.
So my line of thought was proceeding like this:
Maybe they deliberately said June 9th, hoping to mislead LE by representing this as Caylee being missing for a week before she was killed, as that gives Casey an alibi. Then I got to thinking about the Father's Day video. Wasn't this actually retrieved from the computer? Who downloaded it on there? If there was a fight on June 15th, I guess Cindy or George could have downloaded it later, but I was wondering, if LE found this and it was downloaded recently to Caylee being reported missing, it seems it would be a lot harder to explain how they were off a week on the date.
Lanie

 

[MiraclesHappen]

"Evidence found with the remains directly link to the Anthony home." would be the only cause for a search warrant. George's statements prior to this were nothing more than his statements, but now measured against evidence found, could prove to be not only lies but obstruction or outright accessory-after-the-fact. I'll leave that to LE to measure it all, though.

I do understand what would trigger a charge of accessory or obstruction, perjury or conspiracy.:blowkiss:


My question is that I cannot understand how the lie of when Casey & Caylee left the home affects procurement of a search warrant and the necessary probable cause.

The police have already executed searches at the Anthony home back in the beginning of the case. This is not the first warrant we've seen involving the Anthony home.

It is the finding of the remains that created the probable cause which produced an affidavit to get a new search warrant.

It is not the fact that Casey left withCaylee, Sunday or Monday or whenever she really did.

Just my humble opinion

 

[Lanie]

here's a thought - instead of giving BOTH immunity, do you think they could offer immunity to them individually to implicate eachother? it's the classic prisoners dilemma. I wonder who would go down first!

Ha ha! That's a good one. I think Cindy would turn on George in a heartbeat.
Lanie

 

[Gma Kat]

This sounds like another control issue from CA, what are they going to give the state for immunity? I think after she dissed LE she wants the state to over look the Conflicting Stories = Lies what are they going to say? Are they going to take the rap? Their daughter lied to LE, she was charged for mis-truths and they should realize they broke the law as well. Poor little Caylee did not have a second chance, why should they. :furious:

WOW! Well freakin said Gummishoe! I also feel no immunity should go down because the A's need to be made an example of. How long before other crimes are committed and the families start just stonewalling and fabricating when it suits them? Show the world that this isn't going to be tolerated in any way shape or form. The A's may not have directly ended this little child's life, but they created the murder weapon....KC

 

[Chilly Willy]

WOW! Well freakin said Gummishoe! I also feel no immunity should go down because the A's need to be made an example of. How long before other crimes are committed and the families start just stonewalling and fabricating when it suits them? Show the world that this isn't going to be tolerated in any way shape or form. The A's may not have directly ended this little child's life, but they created the murder weapon....KC

George and Cindy created a spoiled selfish daughter. The daughter CHOSE to commit murder.

 

[wallflower67]

I have read several posts along this line and it has gotten me to thinking. I was one of those who defended them over giving the wrong date of when Caylee disappeared, even though it has always seemed bizarre to me they would forget about Father's Day.
So my line of thought was proceeding like this:
Maybe they deliberately said June 9th, hoping to mislead LE by representing this as Caylee being missing for a week before she was killed, as that gives Casey an alibi. Then I got to thinking about the Father's Day video. Wasn't this actually retrieved from the computer? Who downloaded it on there? If there was a fight on June 15th, I guess Cindy or George could have downloaded it later, but I was wondering, if LE found this and it was downloaded recently to Caylee being reported missing, it seems it would be a lot harder to explain how they were off a week on the date.
Lanie

IMO, they mentioned the 9th right off the bat, when I think they were still being genuine (i.e Cindy's frantic 911 call)

Didn't kc move out wiht Caylle on the 9th? I can see them having that date focused in their mind until they thought about father's day

I might have done that, and then thought more about it. "Oh yeah, father's day was after the 9th."

 

[Gma Kat]

I believe you're correct. There are people who are innocent but must testify to something that could be turned on them and in that case they will ask for immunity. However, in this instance, the lawyer has already offered up the innocuous and pesky "inconsistent statements" argument, and everyone will agree that their statements have gone over the line of "inconsistent" to outright lies. (LKL show, for one...hearing herself say "It smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car." to be asked by LK himself what she meant by that, only to reply "I didn't say that." is not inconsistent, it is lying.) Putting it out there in such a way as Conway did indicates that he as an attorney is aware that the Anthony's have engaged in behavior that could lead to prosecution, and it is not simply because they are "inconsistent" with their statements.

Okay, I was travelling during the LK interview and the storms kept the DVR from working......CA really denied having made that statement? OMG! I thought she watched herself on TV and the NG show? How many times have we heard the looped 911 call with her voice saying those words? I'm at a loss. CA gets an A-plus for revisionist history...oh geez, not even noon and this case has me cranky again.

 

[Gma Kat]

George and Cindy created a spoiled selfish daughter. The daughter CHOSE to commit murder.

Agreed. I think they taught her how to be deceitful, etc., by example...not implying they taught her to become a murderer.

 

[impatientredhead]

I do understand what would trigger a charge of accessory or obstruction, perjury or conspiracy.:blowkiss:


My question is that I cannot understand how the lie of when Casey & Caylee left the home affects procurement of a search warrant and the necessary probable cause.

The police have already executed searches at the Anthony home back in the beginning of the case. This is not the first warrant we've seen involving the Anthony home.

It is the finding of the remains that created the probable cause which produced an affidavit to get a new search warrant.

It is not the fact that Casey left withCaylee, Sunday or Monday or whenever she really did.

Just my humble opinion

The lies told wouldn't have anything to do with probable cause for a search warrant. The location of the body to the house in and of itself would give them probable cause to go back to the house, not to mention the new evidence found bags, tape, clothes, and possibly a sheet. The botanist has tied evidence from the scene back to the Anthony home which in my opinion would be the soil found in the trunk.

Evidence taken from the home very well may prove Cindy and George guilty of specific lies, but the warrant in my opinion is not related directly to a lie told. They could have had perfect conduct and when the body turned up 15 houses away they still would have had their house searched again.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Have we heard anything directly from LE yet about possible charges against George and Cindy? I really don't think it's something they are even considering.

 

[Oakley]

"Evidence found with the remains directly link to the Anthony home." would be the only cause for a search warrant. George's statements prior to this were nothing more than his statements, but now measured against evidence found, could prove to be not only lies but obstruction or outright accessory-after-the-fact. I'll leave that to LE to measure it all, though.

This could explain GA sitting in his car crying yesterday (as stated by some posters.) I recall someone (LP or TM, I think) quoting George as saying he is tired of the lies or the charade (don't recall exact words.)

 

[Chilly Willy]

This could explain GA sitting in his car crying yesterday (as stated by some posters.) I recall someone (LP or TM, I think) quoting George as saying he is tired of the lies or the charade (don't recall exact words.)

I would guess that George and Cindy are both beyond tired. Their lives have been a living hell for the past 6 months, without a break. It just keeps getting worse and worse, with no end in sight. I won't be surprised if one (or both) of them don't soon end up hospitalized.

 

[Gma Kat]

This could explain GA sitting in his car crying yesterday (as stated by some posters.) I recall someone (LP or TM, I think) quoting George as saying he is tired of the lies or the charade (don't recall exact words.)

I remember hearing that also.

 

[Friday]

if George lied about seeing Caylee and KC on the 16th, by lying it moves the actual crime scene out of the A's house and to some unknown location. It blocks alot of direct investigation in his house. Which if it is the actual scene of the scrime, shields KC from possible evidence found there.

If it is a lie, it is a HUGE lie, one that directly and deliberately interfered with a homicide investigation. And one that could lead to accesory after the fact type charges.

I can see it now-- Cindy will throw herself on the mercy of LE and blame George for all mistruths she HAD to come up with because of him and KC. George who used to be a homicide detective, knows the definition of interferring with a homicide, so he won't be able to blame anyone else. He will be sent to a minimum security for the maximum time, because LE pities him and knows his life won't be worth living if he has to spend more of it with Cindy.

Don't roll your eyes at me; why is this any crazier than everything else going on in this case? LOL

 

[Gma Kat]

I would guess that George and Cindy are both beyond tired. Their lives have been a living hell for the past 6 months, without a break. It just keeps getting worse and worse, with no end in sight. I won't be surprised if one (or both) of them don't soon end up hospitalized.

I agree about the hospitalization. Regardless of what GA & CA have said or done that I don't agree with, they have been hurt and damaged beyond repair. Now their protective blanket of denial may be gone. It's got to be unbearable.

 

[Chilly Willy]

I agree about the hospitalization. Regardless of what GA & CA have said or done that I don't agree with, they have been hurt and damaged beyond repair. Now their protective blanket of denial may be gone. It's got to be unbearable.

It appears to me that they are taking small steps toward accepting the truth. This request for immunity tells me that they are ready to tell whatever they know and let the chips fall where they may in regards to Casey's crimes. The sad fact is that the truth will bring the A's no comfort. There is no escaping this hell Casey created and they will never be a truly happy moment again in their lives.