Apology To The Ramseys?

  • #61
otto said:
I respectfully disagree. If you have ever been falsely accused of commiting a serious crime, you would realize that beating the path to the police chiefs door would be carefully documented as an indication that you are not only guilty, but mentally unstable ... therefore more guilty. Every time you opened your mouth, people would be alternating between:
1. kindly and patiently talking with you, telling you that they already have enough evidence to prosecute so you may as well come clean (make it easy on yourself)
2. threatening you with the consequences of not cooperating.

Since the police considered withholding JonBenet's body from burial as leverage against the parents, it was obviously very early on that the police were trying to strongarm the family. No one in that situation is going to run to the police because it doesn't matter what they say, it will be used against them.

Your statement that beating a path to the police chief's door being looked at as an indication that you are guilty does NOT relate to the situation where you are allegedly the VICTIM and your OWN CHILD has been murdered.

If some neighbor or acquaintance shows an extremely high level of interest in the case and wants to talk to LE more than is necessary - THAT may be seen as suspicious - but the PARENTS wanting to give a statement would NOT BE.

And the Ramsey's non-cooperation started WELL BEFORE any rumors of LE holding Jonbenet's body until they came in.
 
  • #62
Nedthan Johns said:
Good to see ya!

Another chilling thought - has he had more victims during the past ten years? If so - how will THOSE parents feel about the Ramseys and their lack of co-operation?

BINGO Jay, exactly.

Can't post anymore for today. See you all tomorrow!

Yes, good point. If there are more victims from this suspect (that has no obvious connection to the case other than a recent confession) let's blame the Ramsays.
 
  • #63
SuperDave said:
"The quote at the bottom of your post - the one about Lin Wood saying he's made more money from the Ramsey case, etc....when you read that quote in context, Lin Wood's not bragging at all. He's making a point to opposing council in a civil suit. The quote is taken out of context to make Wood look bad."

He doesn't need us to look bad! It's called barratry, and it's a disbarring offense!
Exactly. Plaintiff's counsel in that case seemed to have it coming.

Lin Wood used to practice law for a firm where I was a paralegal for a number of years. By the time I came on board, he had started his own practice. He must be an okay attorney because he has managed to keep the Ramseys out of jail!
 
  • #64
Nedthan Johns said:
Good to see ya!

Another chilling thought - has he had more victims during the past ten years? If so - how will THOSE parents feel about the Ramseys and their lack of co-operation?

BINGO Jay, exactly.

Can't post anymore for today. See you all tomorrow!
Good to see you too Newd Ned LOL
 
  • #65
otto said:
Yes, good point. If there are more victims from this suspect (that has no obvious connection to the case other than a recent confession) let's blame the Ramsays.
That's a bit of a twist on what was said but OK, if you want to put it that way. If more victims died as a result of the invesitgation being botched and hindered then the BPD, Ramseys and Ramsey laywers need to live with that.
 
  • #66
otto said:
Yes, good point. If there are more victims from this suspect (that has no obvious connection to the case other than a recent confession) let's blame the Ramsays.

If John Mark Karr murdered JonBenet then John Ramsey is surely to blame for her murder and any other murder or abuse Karr may have committed after December 26, 1996. There mere fact that John Ramsey retained a lawyer after JonBenet's death absolves Karr from any blame he would have in regard to future victims.
 
  • #67
If Karr IS guilty, then I don't believe for one minute that it was a random killing. I'll be interested to know his story about how he met Jonbenet in the first place.
 
  • #68
great post Ned :clap:
 
  • #69
Amraann said:
NO but possesing child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 while teaching should take his rights away to be on the streets.

As for the Ramsey's ..

They have had investigators (Lou Smit for one and Ollie Gray) Looking at evidence for teon years.
So just because they don't jump onto tv everytime thier daughtrs name is mentioned means little. Not faulting parents who do but it is indicative of different personalities not guilt neccesarily.

It is false that the Ramsey's refused to cooperate with the police.
The police had access to them for the first critical couple of days then hired an attorney on the advice of a friend.
There is absolutely nothing wrong or indicitive of guilt in doing that when the police, whom I may add already botched up the investigation and were leaking statements to the media indicating they thought it was the Parents.
It was very clear that they were looking NOWHERE else. What where they suppose to do?
Cooperate and wind up in prison for year like Jaqualyn Dowolby's step father who was innocent but could not afford an attorney to advise him?

The bottom line and reality is that many who have spent years believing the R's are guilty ignore any evidence that dispells that and will continue to do so.
If Karr's DNA matches it will be some huge Ramsey conspiracy. Lies an misinformation about this case have gone on for ten years ... that isn't going to change now. The media went right back to it the day this all hit the news with their "unanmed sources".
Just because the DA and investigators have not stated what evidence they have doesn't mean the ydon't have it..
As a matter of fact why would they give any defense attorney such an early lead on the evidense they have?
The bottom line is many have spent years believing the R's are guilty because there's been no proof of anyone else committing the crime.
There is no evidence to ignore, all the evidence points straight at the R's.
I don't count Smit's delusions.
 
  • #70
debann said:
If John Mark Karr murdered JonBenet then John Ramsey is surely to blame for her murder and any other murder or abuse Karr may have committed after December 26, 1996. There mere fact that John Ramsey retained a lawyer after JonBenet's death absolves Karr from any blame he would have in regard to future victims.

Well I really think that is taking things too far. It is the responsibility of the police to pursue all possibilities in the event of a murder. At no time is the family responsible for the failure of the police to succeed in solving the crime. Does anyone blame the family of Heather Church because Robert Browne may have murdered 48 people? Would it be reasonable? Of course not.
 
  • #71
otto said:
I respectfully disagree. If you have ever been falsely accused of commiting a serious crime, you would realize that beating the path to the police chiefs door would be carefully documented as an indication that you are not only guilty, but mentally unstable ... therefore more guilty. Every time you opened your mouth, people would be alternating between:
1. kindly and patiently talking with you, telling you that they already have enough evidence to prosecute so you may as well come clean (make it easy on yourself)
2. threatening you with the consequences of not cooperating.

Since the police considered withholding JonBenet's body from burial as leverage against the parents, it was obviously very early on that the police were trying to strongarm the family. No one in that situation is going to run to the police because it doesn't matter what they say, it will be used against them.

wow...i know i tend to be a little idealistic, but my goodness, you're so cynical (sp?) of LE...like all cops/investigators are 'out to get' us...i won't say you're right or wrong..i'm sure you have good reason to be so untrusting (is that a word?) of LE, but if everyone felt this way..gosh i don't know where we'd all be :confused:

there is good law enforcement 'out there'...good cops, good investigators...sure there's some bad ones, but those are in the minority, imo...
 
  • #72
Jayelles said:
Hey guys - we need to take a step back here. The thing I have always loved about Websleuths is the MIX of posters - everyone brings a different opinion to the table.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Ramseys' behaviour resulted in a lot of negative reactions. YES, the media made a meal of it, but it is a FACT that most child homicides are committed by a member of the family and that the Ramseys needed to be eliminated first. It is also a sad and incomprehensible FACT that the Ramseys didn't participate in police interviews for 4 months and that during that 4 months, they imposed completely unacceptable condition on any interviews they were willing to give. That is something that most people simply cannot understand.

I hope this is the guy and that the case can be brought to a close - but people will always remember that the Ramseys refused formal interviews for 4 months and that during that time, the case grew cold. People will always wonder whether things could have turned out differently if they had co-operated fully at the start. Maybe the killer would have been apprehended sooner.

Another chilling thought - has he had more victims during the past ten years? If so - how will THOSE parents feel about the Ramseys and their lack of co-operation?
OUTSTANDING POST, JAYELLES!! :clap:
 
  • #73
otto said:
Well I really think that is taking things too far. It is the responsibility of the police to pursue all possibilities in the event of a murder. At no time is the family responsible for the failure of the police to succeed in solving the crime. Does anyone blame the family of Heather Church because Robert Browne may have murdered 48 people? Would it be reasonable? Of course not.

otto - I was being sarcastic. The murderer of JonBenet bears the blame.
 
  • #74
Nedthan Johns said:
Not true. He doesn't have the right to be on the streets like you and I. This guy was fired from 2 teaching jobs for inappropriate behavior.
There is a big difference between inappropriate behavior and illegal behavior.

If we locked people away for behaving inappropriately, we'd have a lot more people in jail, including at least one Supreme Court Justice, the governor of California and probably an couple of ex-Presidents, too.

Being a creep, in and of itself, is not an imprisonable offense.
 
  • #75
There really is no excuse for the Ramsey's behavior concerning being interviewed by the police.

Doesn't suggest a burning desire for the real killer to be found, and helping the police do that.

It's almost like a big "Ramsey shrug", one could say.
 
  • #76
SleuthingSleuth said:
There really is no excuse for the Ramsey's behavior concerning being interviewed by the police.

Doesn't suggest a burning desire for the real killer to be found, and helping the police do that.

It's almost like a big "Ramsey shrug", one could say.
Well put!
 
  • #77
cheko1 said:
I don't feel anyone owes the Ramsey's any kind of an apology!

My gosh it was their daughter murdered.....why not do EVERYTHING you can to help solve it???? If I had nothing to hide I'd be beating the police chiefs door down to explain my innocence.

A lawyer would be the last thing on my mind. I don't care where they found her at.......I'd be at the BPD morning / noon & night to find out any detail I could.

With my personality I'd be asking my hubby if he did it? I'd be asking my son are you guilty??? I'd ask anyone & everyone I knew did you do it??? I'd make alot of enemies but nobody could or would every be able to say I never co- operated EVER! I'd be the first in line for a lie detector test & shun anyone who wouldn't take one. That was the Ramsey's mistake / they lawyered up & refused to co-operate & people drew there own conclusions.

I agree.. I think most human beings, IMO, would cooperate with the law no matter what if they found their loved one murdered... When one starts refusing, well to me that is a big red flag... I know everyone has their own way when it comes to grieving blah blah blah, but not when it interferes with the law.. This is ONE reason why that I don't believe it was an intruder..
 
  • #78
debann said:
I agree. I have never understood the hatred directed at John and Patsy Ramsey.



-------------------->>>Not hatred, just facts.

.
 
  • #79
You know, I don't hate the Ramseys. I've never really looked very hard at how I really feel, but I don 't hate them. I find them to be strange. They have never behaved in a way that made any sense to me when it came to finding their dead child and trying to find the killer. :cool:
 
  • #80
If an honest to God killer of JonBenet is found and convicted, I will send John and Burke an apology letter. I just don't think Karr is their man.
 

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