Apology To The Ramseys?

[southcitymom]

Please tell me, what more harm could there be than DEAD?????

The Ramseys (probably) accidently PARTLY killed their daughter and then finished her off to protect themselves.

Then, they ruined lives, slandered LE, wrote a book about the murder posing themselves as victims and saying that the money would go to their daughter's charity fund - but kept every penny of it for themselves.

If that's not evil and dangerous, I don't know what else is.

I was strictly talking about numbers of victims and generalizations.

The vast majority of the time, murdering parents do not harm (either dead or otherwise) as many children as pedophiles do. Pedophiles are prolific abusers. Murdering parents are more confined in the numbers they abuse.

I personally think there are a number of things worse than death, but that is a separate issue and a topic for another thread.

I too think that JBR was probably murdered by a family member. I am no great fan of the Ramseys.

 

[RiverRat]

Please tell me, what more harm could there be than DEAD?????

The Ramseys (probably) accidently PARTLY killed their daughter and then finished her off to protect themselves.

Then, they ruined lives, slandered LE, wrote a book about the murder posing themselves as victims and saying that the money would go to their daughter's charity fund - but kept every penny of it for themselves.

If that's not evil and dangerous, I don't know what else is.

Standing Ovation!

These forums are an invaluable tool.......a criminal defense dream come true for helping to Muddy the Water........or for stopping the spin cycle of a criminal defense dream come true.

I know which side I am on.

 

[wenchie]

I was strictly talking about numbers of victims and generalizations.

The vast majority of the time, murdering parents do not harm (either dead or otherwise) as many children as pedophiles do. Pedophiles are prolific abusers. Murdering parents are more confined in the numbers they abuse.

I personally think there are a number of things worse than death, but that is a separate issue and a topic for another thread.

I too think that JBR was probably murdered by a family member. I am no great fan of the Ramseys.

I can't make sense of this post at all. They are many, many victims of abuse who have grown up to live useful, happy lives (albeit it after a lot of work).


Dead, however - is forever. I cannot grasp how you believe that someone who has such a wild temper that they could "accidently" put an 8" crack in a child's skull is any less dangerous than a child molester.

YOU may think that there are worse things than death....but, why don't we let the victims decide for themselves if they'd be better off dead? I don't think that many of them would agree with you.

 

[BBB167893]

"However I disagree that parents who lose it and kill their child are more dangerous then a pedophile.
Pedophiles keep repeating thereby detroying more lives."

I don't suppose this will take, but I agree with you! The person who kills their spouse in bed with someone else is not the same as the person who kills because he likes it.

 

[southcitymom]

I can't make sense of this post at all. They are many, many victims of abuse who have grown up to live useful, happy lives (albeit it after a lot of work).


Dead, however - is forever. I cannot grasp how you believe that someone who has such a wild temper that they could "accidently" put an 8" crack in a child's skull is any less dangerous than a child molester.

YOU may think that there are worse things than death....but, why don't we let the victims decide for themselves if they'd be better off dead? I don't think that many of them would agree with you.

I'm sorry I am not being clearer.

In terms of sheer NUMBERS of victims, pedophiles are more prolific. One pedophile can harm hundreds of childrens and this is very often the case. You read about this over and over again.

A parent who harms or murders a child or children only does it to the child or children they have. I am not downplaying this type of abuse - it's heartwrenching. I am just saying that abusive parents don't harm as many NUMBERS of victims as pedophiles.

I am only talking about numbers. I am not talking about the type of brutality.

I agree that most people would say dead is worse than abused and the chance to live. But remember, many pedophiles also kill their victims.

I think that a parent who is rageful enough to crack open their child's skull is less dangerous than a pedophile because that parent's crime is personal towards one child . That same parent will probably not go out and crack the skulls of countless other children. Whereas a pedophile will re-offend again and again and again.

If I HAD to make a choice to leave my child with John Ramsey for two hours or with a known pedophile for two hours, I would leave my child with John Ramsey.

 

[wenchie]

I'm sorry I am not being clearer.

In terms of sheer NUMBERS of victims, pedophiles are more prolific. One pedophile can harm hundreds of childrens and this is very often the case. You read about this over and over again.

A parent who harms or murders a child or children only does it to the child or children they have. I am not downplaying this type of abuse - it's heartwrenching. I am just saying that abusive parents don't harm as many NUMBERS of victims as pedophiles.

I am only talking about numbers. I am not talking about the type of brutality.

I agree that most people would say dead is worse than abused and the chance to live. But remember, many pedophiles also kill their victims.

I think that a parent who is rageful enough to crack open their child's skull is less dangerous than a pedophile because that parent's crime is personal towards one child . That same parent will probably not go out and crack the skulls of countless other children. Whereas a pedophile will re-offend again and again and again.

If I HAD to make a choice to leave my child with John Ramsey for two hours or with a known pedophile for two hours, I would leave my child with John Ramsey.

All this reminds me of is the way many people would apologize for OJ in the same way: "He only killed that one time. He wouldn't hurt anyone else."

Sure - as long as that anyone else doesn't get him as jealous & angry as Nicole did.

There is no logic to this way of thinking. It looks like some people want JK put away forever, whether or not he's ever actually harmed anyone...."just because".

Thankfully, we have laws to protect us from this way of thinking.

 

[southcitymom]

All this reminds me of is the way many people would apologize for OJ in the same way: "He only killed that one time. He wouldn't hurt anyone else."

Sure - as long as that anyone else doesn't get him as jealous & angry as Nicole did.

There is no logic to this way of thinking. It looks like some people want JK put away forever, whether or not he's ever actually harmed anyone...."just because".

Thankfully, we have laws to protect us from this way of thinking.

I don't think you are hearing what I am saying AND I think you are hearing more than what I am saying.

There is no piece of me that thinks Karr should be put away forever whether or not he has actually harmed someone. I am grateful for the laws that would protect us from that sort of witchhunt.

 

[wenchie]

I don't think you are hearing what I am saying AND I think you are hearing more than what I am saying.

There is no piece of me that thinks Karr should be put away forever whether or not he has actually harmed someone. I am grateful for the laws that would protect us from that sort of witchhunt.

Well, I initially was addressing the person who said he should be "put away forever", for looking at kiddie .

 

[southcitymom]

Well, I initially was addressing the person who said he should be "put away forever", for looking at kiddie .

I know. I appreciate your perspective.

 

[wenchie]

:dance:

 

[narlacat]

An 18 year vetran Homicide detective does not all of a sudden become a slave to his emotions and religeon.
If someone has evidence that during his 18 years he was biased towards those with religious beliefs then I would agree.
Nothing of that sort has ever come to light and in 18 years I am sure he has met many that were devout and guilty.

Narlacat it could not be on CODIS without 13.

An 18 year old veteran homicide detective does.
He proved it.
How could he possibly say they weren't guilty when he hadn't even managed to cover all the case notes, let alone do any investigating of his own?
Because to him, they looked like the perfect family, good church going folk..and praying with them clinched it for him.
Unethical Smitty :doh:

 

[BBB167893]

"How could he possibly say they weren't guilty when he hadn't even managed to cover all the case notes, let alone do any investigating of his own?"

it's a fair question.

He did a lot of unethical things, like taking evidence illegally.