April 15th wknd of Sleuthing

[Danielle59]

where is the Sony Laptop??

My understanding is that it was wiped clean and was donated months before. I was talking about his work computer being unsecured for 27 hours.

 

[Shadow722]

There is a trail....of all the individual pieces of equipment Brad purchased to spoof a call. There is his testimony in the deposition that 'yes, he knows how to do it, and yes, he's done it in the past.' The fact that all those pieces of equipment used to spoof, have disappeared, POOF, from the home. IMO, that is no different than showing that 'at one time your client purchased such and such murder weapon, and no, it can't be accounted for in the home now, but he did purchase one just like it. MOO

Gracielee,

Your going a bridge too far. Brad "purchased" nothing to spoof the call that has not been accounted for. There is no evidence of a router, server, or VOX card being "purchased" by BC, that is now missing. Did Cisco provide evidence that hardware is missing? Is there proof that a computer is missing?

He did however have the KSA's necessary to "spoof". But there is no evidence that he "spoofed" a call in the past is there????

So to address your hypothesis, if a suspect is a gun owner, and owns two 38 specials, and a 38 special is the murder weapon. The fact that the two he owns are not the murder weapon, therefore there must be a third, that he then threw away, so that proves he is guilty, even if we cannot prove that he made a purchase????

Again, your belief is your belief. But what are the facts that show he did indeed spoof a call???

Putting it another way, the fact that you have the equipment to drive a body to a dump sight (a car) does not prove you dumped a body anywhere at anytime...............

 

[Madeleine74]

Cooper purchased an FXO port, router, phone and a couple other items as was detailed in email to his account, and showed on the overhead screen by the first computer FBI expert. Right there in B&W, big n bold for everybody to see in the courtroom. 2008. January. Confirmation of order and shipping. Further Cooper admitted in his taped depo that he had a Cisco VOIP system in his home. This system was capable of initiating a call. It's all there in the evidence.

 

[Palomine]

The last 3 convictions I have seen had NO DNA evidence, jurors are way past CSI evidence since criminals are getting better at destroying evidence. The only time I believe DNA evidence would be crucial is sexual assaults!

I keep going back to the gas can evidence..I think that he may have wanted to set Nancy on fire...but thought better of it because it would have been noticed sooner with the smoke

 

[gracielee]

So much DNA evidence is relied upon when the victim and the perp's DNA is found in a location where they would not 'typically' be expected to be found. NC's DNA and BC's DNA are all over 104 Walsburg Court. It doesn't seem unusual the is no DNA evidence of this crime at this locaiton. Same thing with NC's body. Understand because of temperatures the decomp was rapid - but no 'intruder/attacker' DNA there. I would think in other crime investigations even after decomp CSI people have found DNA of the attacker/killer.

Exactly, Nancy Cooper wasn't bashed over the head and rendered unconscious by her assailant. If she was outside, running, there would have been BIG signs of a struggle from her head to her toes. Nothing, nada. Not even a broken finger on nancy. The only person in the world who hated her, wanted her GONE, poof in the night, checked out the dump sight a mere 12 hours prior to her disappearance. Ordered and received equipment necessary to spoof calls. And went on a major cleaning spree, none of which could be verified by the condition of the house when the detectives saw it later in the day. And cleaned out a spot in the garage to fit a car, for the first time in years.

 

[Palomine]

My understanding is that it was wiped clean and was donated months before. I was talking about his work computer being unsecured for 27 hours.

work computers need passwords to enter so that would have been evident ...

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/nancycooper/story/9440639/?amp

 

[Just the Fax]

So a compete lack of evidence, ie in the software and hardware trail (like a server, router and VOX card) is evidence if guilt?????? Damn with conclusions like that why even have a trial? I mean lets just go from arrest to penalty phase, and save the taxpayers a bundle.

As far a Jason Young goes, let's just execute him at noon tomorrow.

I mean I understand you have strong feelings on this case and the JY murder case, but we do have trials to determine guilt or innocence for a reason. And evidence matters, even if your mind is made up.


I am not a BC supporter, but I do support justice, and the justice system. I'm not fond of lynch mobs, in any form........

Did I say the spoofed call alone was evidence of guilt???
Not hardly. I looked at the zoomed in google map on 7-11-08 + about 25 other pieces of CE to arrive at my conclusion...GUITY as charged.

 

[Madeleine74]

cooper computer was not unsecured. it was on the cisco network at his home, with multiple security software packages running, and logged out of Windows and password protected automatically after 10 min of no activity. no one else could access that computer even if they wanted to.

 

[Madeleine74]

Defense was careful to try and keep anyone with computer expertise of any level off the jury. I heard one person with some experience did get on in the end, but then had to drop out due to work commitments. The defense knew they needed to confuse and bamboozle the jury on all this tech stuff, and they knew if they had tech literate people on the jury they would be laughed at for suggesting tampering and random hacking and all the stuff they are trying to throw out now.

 

[Palomine]

Brad would not give consent to search his home!!! Am I a Suspect


http://www.wral.com/specialreports/nancycooper/video/9443497/#/vid9443497

 

[Tipstaff]

In 2010 I took my four year old nephew to Target to spend his birthday money. He articulately explained to the clerk that he wanted a specific video game from the locked case. He detailed how he played this game on his Wii and how the controller worked. It shocked me at the time how specific and knowledgeable this 4 year old was.

It is not out of the realm of possibility that a child in the home was instructed to use the phone and could hit the redial button.

As BC testified in the depo - the downstairs computer was used by 'the family' and he specifically said his 'kids' or 'children' don't remember which word he used.

Not saying BC didn't spoof the call but an alternative possibility.

 

[LyndyLoo]

Um, with Brad's shoes, clothes, Nancy's right shoes was it? And various other articles used in the clean-up. :fence:

Its isnt always the huge pieces of evidence that end up convicting a defendent, but the addition of all the smaller pieces to build to being the obvious conclusion.. I attempted to make a list of all those pieces, but ran out of paper...so will give the ones that stand out remarkable conikydinkacle..I know thats not a word..LOL

Evidence that Nancy never went jogging..

1)NONE of her jogging shoes were missing..save 2 same footed ones (evidence Brad grabbed the wrong ones)
2)Her necklace still at the house, when it had been noted by many of her friends/family she always wore it since she got it..swimming, running, sleeping etc..
3) Her cell phone, computer and car keys still at the house in Brad's possession even tho she had been paranoid for months about giving Brad access to these items
4)Found naked save a jogging bra rolled up to her arm pits, indicating someone else attempted to dress her

Evidence that Brad stalked, spyed on all Nancy's communications~~
1) Set up so he could copy and paste all her emails to HIS email address ( thus saw draft of Separation Agreement sent by her lawyer to Nancy's secure email address)
2) Brad ignoring all Nancy's phone call > VM however that morning he answered her call ( which he spoofed for alibi)
3) Brad's ordering all the equipment he would need to manipulate calls. Said items never recovered.
4) Need for Brad to learn how to delete or nuk data from computers (discussion with fellow Cisco employee-shown in Instant messaging account)
5) Blackjack found months later found to have been deleted of most data.

Brad's Behaviors "Consciousness of Guilt"~~~~

1) Tons of Laundry being done that morning when He had only been doing his own laundry since Separation Initiation back months earlier
2) Brad's less than full disclosure to LE when they finally caught up with him that afternoon (July 12th)
3) Brad'd feigning he lack of knowledge how to see "Call Logs" on phone with husband of one of NC friends
4) Brad's shoes, Super Clean Trunk (tho rest of car pig sty), washing of foyer and items missing from foyer
5) Brad's mysterious use of phone, computer during that evening (11th) and night (12th) tho was sleeping with the girls.
6) 605 phone call supposedly to locate phone, yet it appears he slept with it.
7) Suspicious Internet searches on Nancy's computer on the 12th, which I happen to believe he did to make it appear she did them...
8) Need to lie about the true nature of his relationship state of marriage initially
<<<<<<< ABOVE JUST AFEW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Given all the above only indicated to me that it could have been a "Crime of Passion" or 2nd degree murder...BUT>>>>>

Search made for exact dump site (July 11th) where Nancy was found, even tho there would be no common sense reason for doing that and even denied ever going there before or after Nancy's death..Cinched the 1st Degree-pre-mediated. Picnic excuse isnt cutting it with me..WHO would go to a construction site for a picinic with kids, or coworkers for that matter??

All the first lists initially indicated was his need to control and harrass Nancy, but NOW it appears it went much deeper than that...So Sad Indeed

 

[ncsu95]

No one can verify that NC made that phone call. No one else heard her voice. There is no voice mail from NC. Not one other human being on earth can testify that NC 100% made that phone call. I believe the jury will see that Brad Cupper is a known liar. I believe the jury will see that Brad Cupper had the knowledge, means, and opportunity to spoof that call. I think the jury will see that 31 seconds is a long conversation - time it themselves. And 31 seconds is entirely too long to say "Also, get the kids some green juice, you filthy bag of exrement." He couldn't elaborate any further on anything that was said. So I don't think the jury will believe that BC and NC sat with an open phone line for 26 seconds of complete silence before hanging up on each other. They will reasonably come to the conclusion that BC was the only person who would benefit from a 31 second call from his home - to set up an alibi.

Had BC used his pointed forehead for anything other than shade for his eyes, he would have made up a 31 second conversation or argument. Once again, I see dumb people (BC). He thought out a technical alibi, just not a common sense one.

Well you have a phone record that says a call was made from the house landline at 6:40. You have a cell phone record that says that call was received on a cell that was less than 1 minute from Harris Teeter. You have no other call logs, records on any of the Cisco servers, found equipment (fxo card and/or router), computer evidence, fax machine, or any other evidence except speculation that the call was not made by a human at the house. Just because it doesn't fit the prosecutions case doesn't mean the call didn't happen. I'm barely hanging on the fence (on the guilty side for now), but this call still bothers me. If BC did it, I'm more likely to believe he did it after the HT trips.

 

[less0305]

Exactly, Nancy Cooper wasn't bashed over the head and rendered unconscious by her assailant. If she was outside, running, there would have been BIG signs of a struggle from her head to her toes. Nothing, nada. Not even a broken finger on nancy. The only person in the world who hated her, wanted her GONE, poof in the night, checked out the dump sight a mere 12 hours prior to her disappearance. Ordered and received equipment necessary to spoof calls. And went on a major cleaning spree, none of which could be verified by the condition of the house when the detectives saw it later in the day. And cleaned out a spot in the garage to fit a car, for the first time in years.

Not to mention a pristine trunk for Nancy's last ride - he let his kids live in a pig sty, but made sure that trunk had not a hair in it. Amazing!! I guess it was his way of saying, "There, Nancy, is that clean enough for ya??!!"

 

[ncsu95]

You can't prove a negative.

Actually, you can. If he spoofed it, it wasn't done by magic.

 

[ncsu95]

when the bell guy comes to fix a phone in a home the test call made from his equipment doesn't show up on the phone bill...the phone rings..but when picked up it is repair on the other end

And that proves what? The call from the house did show up on the call records from TWC.

 

[less0305]

Well you have a phone record that says a call was made from the house landline at 6:40. You have a cell phone record that says that call was received on a cell that was less than 1 minute from Harris Teeter. You have no other call logs, records on any of the Cisco servers, found equipment (fxo card and/or router), computer evidence, fax machine, or any other evidence except speculation that the call was not made by a human at the house. Just because it doesn't fit the prosecutions case doesn't mean the call didn't happen. I'm barely hanging on the fence (on the guilty side for now), but this call still bothers me. If BC did it, I'm more likely to believe he did it after the HT trips.

If people REALLY want to stretch the what ifs, there are the two daughters in that home at that time.

 

[ncsu95]

So, let's see if this work both ways. Since there was no router gear or FXO port in the house then there is no evidence that BC could have made the 6:40am call. But, since there is no evidence that NC did not make the call at 6:40 then it is easy to assume as a fact that NC indeed made the call.

But there is evidence that NC made that call. It's on the TWC call records and BCs cell phone records.

 

[Danielle59]

work computers need passwords to enter so that would have been evident ...

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/nancycooper/story/9440639/?amp

The password is only required when you initially sign on, or in some cases to turn off a screen saver, not always regarding the screen saver. When police secured the computer it was up and running. All that had to happen was that someone moved the mouse to not let the screen saver come up, and/or change the screen saver to not come on, if he even had the screensaver function on, and the password issue is resolved.

He had to have been signed in for operating systems and security updates to have happened as DD and Chappel alleged.

Also protocol was for CPD to shut down the computer to secure it, not leave it up and running, even the FBI agent was surprised by that.

 

[Cheyenne130]

Actually, you can. If he spoofed it, it wasn't done by magic.

The challenge was to prove that Nancy did not make the call.