April 15th wknd of Sleuthing

[gritguy]

So is the circumstantial instruction standard or can the defense argue to not have it read to the jury?

A pattern instruction is a generic instruction. The attorneys can argue for more or less instructions or modifications relevant to the case. However, it's highly likely, IMO, that the judge would give an instruction such as this. In a previous post, I quoted other pattern jury instructions. They generally all feature the notion that the jury should look to all the evidence, the totality, decide the credibility of it in whole and part, and exercise their common sense as what to believe.

 

[Just the Fax]

"The motive that I saw was motive of anger – pent-up aggression – and at some point, he just couldn't take it anymore," Cary police detective George Daniels said. "...When you take away all the computers, all the cell phones — everything — this was a domestic issue."

Spot on George

 

[gritguy]

I am still kinda in shock he planned this in advance.

The tarp purchase has not left my mind since the zoomed in search evidence. Ok, he didn't use it it appears, but it or something like it had an obvious utility under the circumstances.

 

[jrb0124]

The jury profile is interesting.
It is said AMs are often very suspicious of cops and often don't trust them.
Age old debate, but it is generally true, i'm told.
Hard to say how this jury will react to the desperate Cary housewife clique?

"It is said..."

I take it you've never had a relevant first hand conversation with anyone about this.

"suspicious of cops"? please elaborate.

Any person with real world experience - regardless of race I can assure you that LE doesn't always operate with the interest, trust and safety of its citizens as its prime motivation.

 

[gritguy]

Today at lunch I rode my Triumph Scrambler down Holly Springs and turned left onto Fielding Drive. I rode the considerable distance to the end and made my way to the cul de sac where Nancy was found. Houses on the street now, though it is still not built out all the way. On the cul de sac were tradesmen on break from construction so I did not stop.

Life there has moved on. There was no sign of the drama of the trial. I had not gone there before. But, today I just felt like I should. It was a bit of a strange feeling, and I suppose a strange thing to have done anyway.

I looked at the new houses, the construction and I thought this place was meant to be a foundation for the dreams of families moving forward in life, making homes, raising children. The signs remain, calling one to visit the model home, and of course imagine you and your family in it. And yet one night or morning, someone came down this road with the purpose of putting an end to a family, to hide the evidence of the the crushing of dreams.

The person who left that neighborhood not with the idea of moving to a brighter future but rather running from the darkest past had a single hope too - that he might not be spotted and brought to light for what he had done. Back to present and just a few miles away, the community's representatives were convened for the express purpose of dashing that twisted hope.

A criminal gets an advantage twice. First, with an unfair, cowardly attack on the victim made at the time of the criminal's choosing. And second, the high burden the state carries before it can levy the punishment of the law upon him. His disadvantage is that the truth is not on his side, and good people with patience and diligence work to see the truth exposed.

Brad Cooper lied about his actions before his wife was murdered, when she was murdered, and after she was murdered. He is a man afraid of the truth and he sits in a tribunal charged with nothing less than the discovery of the truth. He must be particularly uncomfortable. The verdict, whatever it is, is soon to come.

 

[Just the Fax]

The tarp purchase has not left my mind since the zoomed in search evidence. Ok, he didn't use it it appears, but it or something like it had an obvious utility under the circumstances.

Yes, with what we know now....it seems obvious it was intended as part of his sinister plan. Line the trunk, perhaps? In his haste, did he forget it or maybe he used a heavy quilt that sufficed?

 

[gritguy]

Yes, with what we know now....it seems obvious it was intended a part of his sinister plan. Line the trunk, perhaps? In his haste, did he forget it or maybe he used a heavy quilt that sufficed?

That or to protect the floor as he prepared to sanitize the area as necessary, but probably in theory the trunk. I wondered if some cleaning was done prior to transport, accounting for the lack of clothing on the body and also making it seem that the tarp (say the quilt or blanket was performing well) was not needed at all.

 

[Just the Fax]

:bedtime:

 

[gritguy]

:bedtime:

+1 .

 

[jrb0124]

The tarp purchase has not left my mind since the zoomed in search evidence. Ok, he didn't use it it appears, but it or something like it had an obvious utility under the circumstances.

Amazing how so many pieces of CE really do not (if he's guilty) make sense in a greater context, or fit the asserted storyline.

 

[TXredhead178]

Speaking of this, I thought it was odd that when BC went to pick up the kids from HP's house on Saturday afternoon and KL was there, they went to a restaurant to eat. I couldn't imagine with all that was going on, going out to eat, or even eating at all. I would have just wanted to be home or out searching but it really did seem that there wasn't any food in the house. Were they really, really broke or what was going on in that home? I mean, NC bought ribs the previous night, why not get some food for the house too? And if she didn't have the money for that, she shouldn't have bought the ribs. It just seemed like they were really living on the edge. Both of them. If they were that strapped, did they really need the gym membership?

KL said she gave NC some money at the end of the vacation (but NC didn't have it anymore) and then JA paid her on Wednesday, so why didn't she stock the pantry and fridge?

On a somewhat different tangent - The dire financial situation they had gotten themselves into really leapt out at me as I started delving into this case. I do think this played a significant role in the tensions that were mounting in the months leading up to NC's murder. This, along with the various photos / videos showing the profound disarray of their house, is a sad testament to just how much their lives had spun out of control. Add to that the extreme emotional toll that an impending separation / divorce invariably takes, and their whole environment was a tinder box just waiting to explode.

 

[Straitfan]

The clutter didn't bother me as much as the clothes all over the place. That would drive me nuts! Who am I kidding? The boxes would drive me nuts too. I have trouble living out of a suitcase when on vacation.

No doubt!! Shock! Guess for one's questioning his "time cleaning" wouldnt have been extensive, lil foyer, car, etc.. (BTW, long timer pre "crash" 2000 maybe, lol!) Mostly lurk lately, but this trial and CA has got me paying attention again! No on fence, btw

 

[Maja]

Today at lunch I rode my Triumph Scrambler down Holly Springs and turned left onto Fielding Drive. I rode the considerable distance to the end and made my way to the cul de sac where Nancy was found. Houses on the street now, though it is still not built out all the way. On the cul de sac were tradesmen on break from construction so I did not stop.

Life there has moved on. There was no sign of the drama of the trial. I had not gone there before. But, today I just felt like I should. It was a bit of a strange feeling, and I suppose a strange thing to have done anyway.

I looked at the new houses, the construction and I thought this place was meant to be a foundation for the dreams of families moving forward in life, making homes, raising children. The signs remain, calling one to visit the model home, and of course imagine you and your family in it. And yet one night or morning, someone came down this road with the purpose of putting an end to a family, to hide the evidence of the the crushing of dreams.

The person who left that neighborhood not with the idea of moving to a brighter future but rather running from the darkest past had a single hope too - that he might not be spotted and brought to light for what he had done. Back to present and just a few miles away, the community's representatives were convened for the express purpose of dashing that twisted hope.

A criminal gets an advantage twice. First, with an unfair, cowardly attack on the victim made at the time of the criminal's choosing. And second, the high burden the state carries before it can levy the punishment of the law upon him. His disadvantage is that the truth is not on his side, and good people with patience and diligence work to see the truth exposed.

Brad Cooper lied about his actions before his wife was murdered, when she was murdered, and after she was murdered. He is a man afraid of the truth and he sits in a tribunal charged with nothing less than the discovery of the truth. He must be particularly uncomfortable. The verdict, whatever it is, is soon to come.

I'm so thankful you did take TRIUMPH to the site where NC's cocoon lay last. Though robbed of the remainder of her alloted days, I believe her spirit is alive and well. Truth will always TRIUMPH.

 

[Straitfan]

Probably bought up before, but I've wondered if while NC was gone on vaca if he wasnt seeing/talking to an old or new gf whatever & he made his mind up.... Definately feel some things were pre-planned....

 

[lib's mom]

Today at lunch I rode my Triumph Scrambler down Holly Springs and turned left onto Fielding Drive. I rode the considerable distance to the end and made my way to the cul de sac where Nancy was found. Houses on the street now, though it is still not built out all the way. On the cul de sac were tradesmen on break from construction so I did not stop.

Life there has moved on. There was no sign of the drama of the trial. I had not gone there before. But, today I just felt like I should. It was a bit of a strange feeling, and I suppose a strange thing to have done anyway.

I looked at the new houses, the construction and I thought this place was meant to be a foundation for the dreams of families moving forward in life, making homes, raising children. The signs remain, calling one to visit the model home, and of course imagine you and your family in it. And yet one night or morning, someone came down this road with the purpose of putting an end to a family, to hide the evidence of the the crushing of dreams.

The person who left that neighborhood not with the idea of moving to a brighter future but rather running from the darkest past had a single hope too - that he might not be spotted and brought to light for what he had done. Back to present and just a few miles away, the community's representatives were convened for the express purpose of dashing that twisted hope.

A criminal gets an advantage twice. First, with an unfair, cowardly attack on the victim made at the time of the criminal's choosing. And second, the high burden the state carries before it can levy the punishment of the law upon him. His disadvantage is that the truth is not on his side, and good people with patience and diligence work to see the truth exposed.

Brad Cooper lied about his actions before his wife was murdered, when she was murdered, and after she was murdered. He is a man afraid of the truth and he sits in a tribunal charged with nothing less than the discovery of the truth. He must be particularly uncomfortable. The verdict, whatever it is, is soon to come.

That was lovely! Thanks is not enough.

 

[TXredhead178]

I am still kinda in shock he planned this in advance.

I was completely stunned when the Google search evidence came out. I was not expecting that at all. It has put some of the earlier evidence and testimony in a whole different light, and now I find myself going back to review.

 

[CrimeAddict]

In was stunned as well that he thought they wouldn't check his home computers. After more thought I realized he may have thought due to construction her body would be buried and never found , so it wouldn't have made a difference that he searched nearby.

 

[Cheyenne130]

I was thinking last night about the emphasis on some of the statements made by friends that are deemed to be inconsistent when compared to what someone else said. When the statements made are the same, the friends are accused of comparing stories to make sure they are the same. When they are different, someone is lying.

And yet BC has made a TON of inconsistent statements. Not just one or two. He has made many. When you add all of them up and compare them to other observations (like the TV cart sitting the way that it was in the children's bedroom among others) it is a MUCH bigger spotlight shining back down on his misdeeds. I said before that I thought they had enough preponderance of evidence even without the search on his computer at work of the area where her body was ultimately found. There are not enough excuses that can be made to erase all of it in it's totality. MOO

 

[SleuthinNC]

OK so why did HP tell so many lies, misleading statements?

HP claimed she was with NC on Thursday. Not likely

HP claimed NC wore screw back earrings. Lie but I'll play along and say she was just confused.

HP said BC only gave NC $80. Misleading, she knew he gave her $300 for months.

HP said NC never went on a vacation in 2008. Misleading she knew NC went to Washington, DC.

HP said she never spoke with Det. Dismukes about the password to unlock NC cell phone. Lie.

HP purposely left out details when talking to the woman who said NC should call InterAct. Misleading.

HP starts the "suicide lists" story then claims the notes she saw were different. Lie.

HP sent the email asking for pictures with NC wearing the necklace only. Suspicious, potentially misleading.

HP story about the preschool drop off, NC had the girls, BC followed and took the oldest girl out of NC car and into the building. NC and girls crying. Supposedly happened in February. Doesn't add up with BC trying to be "Father of the Year" after the separation talks. Lie, misleading, you choose.

HP talks about being at the pool with NC Fri, describes each piece of jewelry she is wearing and specifically she drank Diet Coke but doesn't remember if she had a cover-up. We can say she forgot but very suspicious testimony.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Since Kurtz tried to get in the testimony of the woman who was so sure that she saw Nancy, I wonder if that means he's not planning to call her as a witness. I have been SO looking forward to her testimony on the witness stand.

Just catching up here.

Yes, I hope Kurtz does call this woman as a witness. I do believe she saw a woman that resembled Nancy running that morning, but it was not Nancy.

The thing about eyewitnesses is that they tend to remember the action of someone more than the details of what that person actually looked like. I do feel this woman actually saw a tall female jogger.

A good example is one that was used here on this forum of a bank robbery. There were witnesses of the getaway vehicles. It was blue, it was red, it was green. When the actual robbers were caught with all the money from the robbery, their vehicle was actually a different color altogether. People tend to remember the 'actions' rather than certain things about person(s). This woman is remembering a female jogger. She is telling the truth. However; there is no way she can be 150% certain it was Nancy.

I commend anyone who tries to help in a missing persons case. Z told her husband that she thought she saw a woman fitting that description jogging on Saturday morning. It was her husband who suggested she call LE. She did. THEN she wasn't satisfied with how LE followed up with her. I doubt she would want to be called as a witness. She knows by now that she was wrong that it was Nancy.

Sorry for the long post! I am catching up from when WS went down yesterday, then was too tired to read until this morning!