AR - Aaron Spencer, 36, a man was stalking his 14 yo dau, killed him, faces 1st degree murder charge, Lonoke County, 8 Oct 2024

[tlcya]

violent assault? I thought previous reports stated the man killed had groomed and lured the teen? This is the first we've heard about violent assaults. I think that word is being used rather liberally to describe what happened between the teen and the dead man because it fits the narrative needed to defend their client.

HOWEVER, the fact that she went with him AGAIN, after he was charged, and the fact that he risked absconding with her after all the consequences he was already facing does make me worry he planned to get rid of the complaining witness in the case against him.

I don't know, I am all kind of torn about this case. riding this fence is hard on the hiney.

 

[haydaray]

Lonoke County father charged with murder after shooting man he found with his teen daughter seeks to remove gag order

Lonoke County father charged with murder after shooting man he found with his teen daughter seeks to remove gag order

The Lonoke County father charged for the deadly shooting of a man who he found in a car with his teenage daughter now wants to lift the gag order on his case.

www.thv11.com

 

[Knox]

Is it unusual for this type of motion to be filed at this point in a case?

 

[tlcya]

Interesting. In my experience gag orders tend to be in place to protect the defendant from adverse pretrial publicity. Sounds like this defendant wants to public to be able to discuss the facts of this case. If things happened as he has presented I can see why. Of course having just watched the poo show that was the Delphi case play out through trial and now into appeal, it may just be that he want's his story out there before a jury is seated in hopes of swaying potential jurors.

Watching to see how this is ruled upon. Oral arguments are on the 10th but the judge may not rule on that date, may take it under advisement and rule later after some mulling.

 

[Knox]

Case Loading • Arkansas Judiciary

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What’s up with the “glass pipe in the patrol car” filing?

 

[tlcya]

02/25/2025 @ 4:14PM

MOTION IN LIMINE

MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE REFERENCE TO ALLEGED GLASS SMOKING DEVICE FOUND IN PATROL CRUISER PURSUANT TO ARK. R. EVID. 402, 403, AND 404(b) AND ANDREW V. WHITE, 220 L. Ed. 2d 340 (U.S. 2025)

KAISER, MICHAEL KIEL

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interesting. Defense's Motion in Limine. Wonder what is up with that? I can think of several things that would be smoked from a glass pipe. Used to be you only ever heard about those in relation to crack cocaine. Commonly known as a crack pipe.

But since marijuana became legal in some states, weed is often smoked from the same variety of glass smoking "devices".

I can only assume the device was found in the cruiser that Mr. Spencer was taken to into custody in. Which might indicate he had that on him when taken into custody and attempted to offload it prior to being removed from the vehicle at the station. Keep in mind that recreational marijuana is NOT legal in Arkansas. So even if the device was used for the purpose of smoking weed, it could cause the jury to form a bad opinion of Mr. Spencer. JMO thoughts on the motion and possible reasoning behind it.

 

[Cryptic]

While I certainly do not view taking someone's life a heroic act or a praiseworthy act, I do understand the action IF things happened as described by Mr. Spencer. I am curious to hear what prosecutors say we haven't been told yet that might change how I view Spencer's actions.

Well said and well balanced.

Like you, I also support Spencer if.....

 

[Knox]

Prosecuting Attorney Chuck Graham, however, suggested that Spencer’s fear was only part of the story and indicated that there were additional details that could not be disclosed due to the gag order. Graham emphasized the importance of presenting the full context of the case during the trial.

Lonoke County Father Seeks to Lift Gag Order in Fatal Shooting Case

Aaron Spencer, a Lonoke County father charged with second-degree murder for the fatal shooting of Michael Fosler, has requested the Arkansas Supreme Court to li

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Backtracking to a statement made by the PA, that didn’t make sense to me previously.

Wonder if the glass pipe is one of the additional details that couldn’t be disclosed? That would definitely add context to the case if so …

 

[Aegon_the_Conqueror]

That would set a precedent for vigilante justice, which is a huge leap away from the classical structure of justice that took centuries to achieve. When everyone becomes a self-appointed law enforcer, then no one is safe anymore.

That's absurd. Defending yourself, your family, or others doesn't make you a "self-appointed law enforcer". If his daughter was at home, and he went to the guy's house and shot him, the "vigilante" argument would have some merit. (And how awful it would be if the corrupt justice system had some competition.)

Now, if the evidence in the trial suggests that that's not what happened here, and there was actually no reason to believe that his daughter was in danger, I'm open to that. So far, though, I don't see it. If the shooting was in response to a credible threat, the prosecutor should never have brought charges, and they'll be humiliated when their case inevitably collapses. Discouraging defending yourself or your family would be an even more tragic precedent than "vigilante justice". (He's the hero Gotham deserves.)

 

[Knox]

Arkansas dad pleads not guilty to shooting death of man found with his teen daughter

An Arkansas father has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder after shooting a 67-year-old man that he found in a car with his missing teen daughter.

www.thv11.com

Another link where the prosecuting attorney states the “whole story” is not being told.

Also, IIRC the Sheriff made a statement regarding the prosecution of this case. Something to the effect where he was sympathetic to the right to defend your child, but it is up to the DA’s Office on whether to file charges. I can’t locate the MSM story, but if someone else finds, please post.

Was he simply being politically correct in that statement? After all it is an elected position and there was a very vocal reaction from locals. I think $100k was raised for his defense fund pretty darn fast! That says a lot about the support for Aaron.

 

[Knox]

No updates that I could find on the gag order ruling.

 

[NuttMegg]

Arkansas dad pleads not guilty to shooting death of man found with his teen daughter

An Arkansas father has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder after shooting a 67-year-old man that he found in a car with his missing teen daughter.

www.thv11.com

Another link where the prosecuting attorney states the “whole story” is not being told.

Also, IIRC the Sheriff made a statement regarding the prosecution of this case. Something to the effect where he was sympathetic to the right to defend your child, but it is up to the DA’s Office on whether to file charges. I can’t locate the MSM story, but if someone else finds, please post.

Was he simply being politically correct in that statement? After all it is an elected position and there was a very vocal reaction from locals. I think $100k was raised for his defense fund pretty darn fast! That says a lot about the support for Aaron.

So is the implication that they'll have the daughter testify against her father? I realize there's been a gag order, I just don't know everything that was disclosed at first.

 

[NuttMegg]

That's absurd. Defending yourself, your family, or others doesn't make you a "self-appointed law enforcer". If his daughter was at home, and he went to the guy's house and shot him, the "vigilante" argument would have some merit. (And how awful it would be if the corrupt justice system had some competition.)

Now, if the evidence in the trial suggests that that's not what happened here, and there was actually no reason to believe that his daughter was in danger, I'm open to that. So far, though, I don't see it. If the shooting was in response to a credible threat, the prosecutor should never have brought charges, and they'll be humiliated when their case inevitably collapses. Discouraging defending yourself or your family would be an even more tragic precedent than "vigilante justice". (He's the hero Gotham deserves.)

I'm one who hopes that Luigi will have a hung jury. So I REALLY hope this guy gets off. How could she not be in danger, because he hadn't yet had her take her clothes off? That he wasn't technically touching her at the moment of the shot? Even if he had tumbled out of the car and started running before the shot(s) (the kidnapper) I'd still not convict the father.

 

[Knox]

So is the implication that they'll have the daughter testify against her father? I realize there's been a gag order, I just don't know everything that was disclosed at first.

I have no idea, that has never been stated. But I would assume she would have to testify, she was the only other witness to the shooting.

 

[Knox]

I'm one who hopes that Luigi will have a hung jury. So I REALLY hope this guy gets off. How could she not be in danger, because he hadn't yet had her take her clothes off? That he wasn't technically touching her at the moment of the shot? Even if he had tumbled out of the car and started running before the shot(s) (the kidnapper) I'd still not convict the father.

I was 100% on the same page as you. Until I read this ...

Prosecuting Attorney Chuck Graham, who charged Spencer with second-degree murder explained how Spencer’s “fear” is only part of the story and that there is more to the situation.

“They have a lot to say about the situation and me, but what’s not being put out there is the whole story and ethically I can’t go much further,” Graham said.

Arkansas dad pleads not guilty to shooting death of man found with his teen daughter

An Arkansas father has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder after shooting a 67-year-old man that he found in a car with his missing teen daughter.

www.thv11.com

CR-25-66, Aaron Spencer v. State of Arkansas, from Lonoke County Circuit Court - Apr 10th, 2025

Live and Recorded Public meetings of CR-25-66, Aaron Spencer v. State of Arkansas, from Lonoke County Circuit Court for Arkansas Supreme Court

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The argument was interesting to listen too.

 

[NuttMegg]

I was 100% on the same page as you. Until I read this ...

Prosecuting Attorney Chuck Graham, who charged Spencer with second-degree murder explained how Spencer’s “fear” is only part of the story and that there is more to the situation.

“They have a lot to say about the situation and me, but what’s not being put out there is the whole story and ethically I can’t go much further,” Graham said.

Arkansas dad pleads not guilty to shooting death of man found with his teen daughter

An Arkansas father has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder after shooting a 67-year-old man that he found in a car with his missing teen daughter.

www.thv11.com

What could this possibly alude too? That and what I saw on the court record regarding an alleged glass pipe. I have questions ...

Well I hope the evidence does speak for itself, I never saw that about a glass pipe.

I know in Alaska it used to be worse to kill a sea lion, a federal offense costing the perpetrator some $25,000. While a person who shot their spouse in bed with another person was sometimes given a short incarceration following commercial fishing season so the family wouldn't starve, all the money being made in a short 2 month stretch of summer. That's pretty much true, at least how it used to be in rural areas with lots of guns and lots of drinking.

I haven;t ever been a father with a teen daughter already violated by a man (ex LE person!) who seems to have had his fingers lightly tapped with a nun's ruler, so from a mother's brain, yeah, I'd see red if the guy came back again and lured my daughter out of bed.

It would take a lot for me to blame the father for nearly any permutation of what went on that night if the girl was in the car with the guy.

I really hope his guilt does not depend on an under-aged daughter testifying. If so, that's the end of the family.

 

[Knox]

Well I hope the evidence does speak for itself, I never saw that about a glass pipe.

I know in Alaska it used to be worse to kill a sea lion, a federal offense costing the perpetrator some $25,000. While a person who shot their spouse in bed with another person was sometimes given a short incarceration following commercial fishing season so the family wouldn't starve, all the money being made in a short 2 month stretch of summer. That's pretty much true, at least how it used to be in rural areas with lots of guns and lots of drinking.

I haven;t ever been a father with a teen daughter already violated by a man (ex LE person!) who seems to have had his fingers lightly tapped with a nun's ruler, so from a mother's brain, yeah, I'd see red if the guy came back again and lured my daughter out of bed.

It would take a lot for me to blame the father for nearly any permutation of what went on that night if the girl was in the car with the guy.

I really hope his guilt does not depend on an under-aged daughter testifying. If so, that's the end of the family.

In the appeal hearing I linked. One of the Justice's used the daughter testifying as the basis for a question to the State about publicly identifying witnesses - he (the State) replied that the daughter could be called to testify for both the State & Defense.

Jury nullification was mentioned by one of the Justices.

 

[Aegon_the_Conqueror]

I'm one who hopes that Luigi will have a hung jury. So I REALLY hope this guy gets off. How could she not be in danger, because he hadn't yet had her take her clothes off? That he wasn't technically touching her at the moment of the shot? Even if he had tumbled out of the car and started running before the shot(s) (the kidnapper) I'd still not convict the father.

Luigi, nah, give him life. That actually is vigilante justice, only to someone who was completely innocent of anything. He isn't the Caped Crusader, he's the Joker.

 

[Knox]

Gag order lifted in Aaron Spencer murder case after Arkansas Supreme Court ruling

The Arkansas Supreme Court vacated a gag order in Aaron Spencer's murder case, deeming it too broad and restrictive to speech protected under the First Amendment.

www.thv11.com

 

[Knox]

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