GUILTY AR - Beverly Carter, 49, Little Rock, 25 Sep 2014 - #10

[KayKay.85]

http://m.realtor.com/#details?prope...4202-Old-River-Dr_Scott_AR_72142_M81700-20705
Looks like the home Beverly disappeared from was sold in March 2015.

 

[arkansasmimi]

The only thing that keeps me from thinking that she willing went with AL is that I don't think she would have left her purse behind.
It was sitting on the front seat in her car. Also, I was at the crime scene the next morning and her car was still there. The neighbors had
seen his truck and showed me where it was parked. You really can't
tell from the pictures but in person the space between her car and the
bushes was very narrow. AL managed to squeeze his truck in that tight space. I guess he could have backed his truck out for her to get
in but i think she would have known his decision to park there wasn't
right. It's a big driveway. Most of the time a realtor will get to the
property before the potential buyer and open up the house. i think she was probably in the house when he drove up and parked. And keep in mind they met at the house in the late afternoon. That
house was a foreclosure so no utilities were on. I think
she arranged to go there first. He may have acted as if he was
interested while he was waiting on the sun to go down.

Also, i can't seem to forget about the house AL purchased. If you remember the seller's baby mama was Beverly's niece. I can imagine
the niece calling Beverly to tell her they needed to sell the house in a
hurry and Beverly possible advising them on some paperwork. She
may have met Al at that time.

I thought the cause of death was common knowledge.

:thinking: You appear to have a lot of interesting first hand knowledge. You really should apply for Verified Insider status. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...n-Process-for-Professional-or-Insider-Posters

I am sure you could bring much fresh conversation to the table. Seriously :websleuther:

 

[ZooSleuth]

It was taken by the police.

Yup. It was released so quick to the media because he escaped from the hospital just hours after the photo was taken and was on the run.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Originally Posted by PlateSpinner
The only thing that keeps me from thinking that she willing went with AL is that I don't think she would have left her purse behind.
It was sitting on the front seat in her car. Also, I was at the crime scene the next morning and her car was still there. The neighbors had
seen his truck and showed me where it was parked. You really can't
tell from the pictures but in person the space between her car and the
bushes was very narrow. AL managed to squeeze his truck in that tight space. I guess he could have backed his truck out for her to get
in but i think she would have known his decision to park there wasn't
right. It's a big driveway. Most of the time a realtor will get to the
property before the potential buyer and open up the house. i think she was probably in the house when he drove up and parked. And keep in mind they met at the house in the late afternoon. That
house was a foreclosure so no utilities were on. I think
she arranged to go there first. He may have acted as if he was
interested while he was waiting on the sun to go down.

Are you saying that he parked in such a way that she could not get back into her car without him moving his truck first? Is there any way you could diagram that? I'm trying to picture what you are saying, but I can't get it clear in my mind. Even a crudely drawn thing on a piece of paper and then take a photo of it to upload? I don't ask for much, do I? LOL

here are a few from diff angles of the house I found. http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/26/arkansas-real-estate-agent-disappears/16305961/
http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2014/sep/26/realtor-goes-show-house-disappears-deputies-say/
http://www.georgianewsday.com/news/regional/291752-police-issue-arrest-warrant-in-missing-arkansas-realtor-case-for-man-they-helped-in-a-serious-car-crash-this-afternoon-before-he-ran-from-the-hospital-covered-in-blood.html

 

[arkansasmimi]

BTW - Random thought pertaining to the theft by receiving charge.

I wonder if it was maybe some of BCs jewelry? BC strike me as the type that might be a wearer of jewelry. (Not necessarily super expensive...but not costume stuff from Claire's either..lol) Do you really think that AL was going to bury anything worth money with the body? Heck, he couldn't even bring himself to bury the phone. I say no way he left any jewelry behind!! And I'm sure Prince Charming would want to give some to to the wifey.

I realize we heard from to VI's that it was the phone, but the first VI heard this from CL herself, which absolutely causes me to discount the validity of that statement. I'm not saying the VI lied, but that the VI was lied to. The second VI stated (herself? or a family member? can't remember) was by an officer that CL had BC's phone, BUT 1) understandably, the police might not have been telling the "whole truth" to the family members of a suspect or 2) at that point AL had already had his wreck and the cops DID have BCs phone, but maybe the officer was confused or maybe even under the stressful, crazy circumstances the VI understandably misunderstood what was said or implied?

We now know from the last court proceedings that the phone was found in AL's car after the wreck, so I theorize that it may have been jewelry that CL had in her possession. Someone way, way, WAY back in one of the other threads even cryptically stated something along the lines of "what would you say if CL was found wearing a pair of BC's earrings?" and it was said in sort of a "i know something you don't know" way. I tried to ask a direct question, but never got a reply.....then again, maybe I just read way too much into that statement.

Respectfully BBM, yesterday rereading old threads looking at this from new prospective in light of Crystal pleading Guilty. I thought I remembed it being <$500. There was even conversations when we were told it was BC phone and the amnt a cell cost. But looking at the court docket for that charge now, it shows it to be <$1000. Honestly, it has been a while since we talked about that charge. But I saw the "under $500" amount spoken about that's why I am puzzled. How it reads at present

 

[arkansasmimi]

Link to Crystal Hope Lowery Sentencing order posted today: https://contexte.aoc.arkansas.gov/i...resent2?DMS_ID=OIIHXV6XRDMSJGPVKG42O6DKMWVZH6


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[arkansasmimi]

Looking at the times on each, yesterday the Judge said 30 years on ea charge to run concurrent. Not reflecting that on these maybe thats what the modified judgement means? 360 months for First Degree Murder (30 yrs) and 120 months for Kidnapping (10 yrs) So they thinking she was more of guilty participant of the Murder than of the Kidnapping? She still has 30 yrs, just interesting the modifications vs what was stated in court yesterday. JMHO



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[arkansasmimi]

Looking at the times on each, yesterday the Judge said 30 years on ea charge to run concurrent. Not reflecting that on these maybe thats what the modified judgement means? 360 months for First Degree Murder (30 yrs) and 120 months for Kidnapping (10 yrs) So they thinking she was more of guilty participant of the Murder than of the Kidnapping? She still has 30 yrs, just interesting the modifications vs what was stated in court yesterday. JMHO

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Probably on the lesser time on modified Kidnapping because of AL confessing on the Kidnapping? jmho

 

[arkansasmimi]

The only thing that keeps me from thinking that she willing went with AL is that I don't think she would have left her purse behind.
It was sitting on the front seat in her car. Also, I was at the crime scene the next morning and her car was still there. The neighbors had
seen his truck and showed me where it was parked. You really can't
tell from the pictures but in person the space between her car and the
bushes was very narrow. AL managed to squeeze his truck in that tight space. I guess he could have backed his truck out for her to get
in but i think she would have known his decision to park there wasn't
right. It's a big driveway. Most of the time a realtor will get to the
property before the potential buyer and open up the house. i think she was probably in the house when he drove up and parked. And keep in mind they met at the house in the late afternoon. That
house was a foreclosure so no utilities were on. I think
she arranged to go there first. He may have acted as if he was
interested while he was waiting on the sun to go down.

Also, i can't seem to forget about the house AL purchased. If you remember the seller's baby mama was Beverly's niece. I can imagine
the niece calling Beverly to tell her they needed to sell the house in a
hurry and Beverly possible advising them on some paperwork. She
may have met Al at that time.

I thought the cause of death was common knowledge.

Respectfully BBM, Back to the truck... and the gentleman who said he pulled AL out of being stuck. Was it a borrowed truck? NJ made reference to the person who AL named in one of his perk walks as having a truck. That person per the Sheriff in the press conf stated at that time they didn't think he had anything to do with this. But would that mean the same thing if AL had borrowed his veh? Could be a case of where a friend loaned a friend his truck, making him innocent. AL alleged they had texts back and forth, I could see that if it were like Hey can I borrow your truck to move furniture.... Sure, when ya need, ....so forth.

Trying to refresh my memory, wasnt there another car allegedly at the house where Beverly was abducted from? Maybe that was CL driving AL car. jmho

 

[PlateSpinner]

Are you saying that he parked in such a way that she could not get back into her car without him moving his truck first? Is there any way you could diagram that? I'm trying to picture what you are saying, but I can't get it clear in my mind. Even a crudely drawn thing on a piece of paper and then take a photo of it to upload? I don't ask for much, do I? LOL

Sure I can draw it but my laptop is a Mac. I wear out laptops at the port where
you plug in the power cord. Mac power cords don't plug in they are magnets.
I love this thing but I'm not sure
how to get it uploaded on the site. I can scan it in my email and thats about it.
But yes that is what I am saying. You would have to see the house in person when
her car was in the driveway. ( you can't get the visual from the pictures that were
posted online.) In fact, when I got home on Friday night and saw the picture posted online, i told my family that the camera angle was deceiving. So I drove
past the house after the search on Saturday and her car was still in the driveway.

GO TO THE STORY ON SEPTEMBER 30 BY FROM CHANNEL 11. I think the article name is: Full coverage: missing realtor...
Scroll to the picture taken from the road. You will see a Mason Realty sign in the
yard and Beverly's car in the driveway. Do you notice how her car is parked at
an angle? The neighbor that gave a description of the truck AL was driving
told me that AL's truck was parked between her car and those trees. Seeing in
person, it was a tight squeeze and also those trees did a great job of hiding
his truck. I'm sure he was intentionally trying to hide his truck but at the
same time she would not have been able to get her door open with out
him backing out.

 

[PlateSpinner]

What was the cause of death? I have never heard or read what it was.

I don't have a link. But I have been told by a number of
credible sources. And it was a dumb mistake on his part.
In addition to being dumb enough to kidnap her in the first
place.

Maybe my choice of wording (public knowledge) was incorrect if it
hasn't been released by LE. I have been following this
case for so long that I can't remember what is printed
and I what I have been told by others.

 

[PlateSpinner]

Respectfully BBM, Back to the truck... and the gentleman who said he pulled AL out of being stuck. Was it a borrowed truck? NJ made reference to the person who AL named in one of his perk walks as having a truck. That person per the Sheriff in the press conf stated at that time they didn't think he had anything to do with this. But would that mean the same thing if AL had borrowed his veh? Could be a case of where a friend loaned a friend his truck, making him innocent. AL alleged they had texts back and forth, I could see that if it were like Hey can I borrow your truck to move furniture.... Sure, when ya need, ....so forth.

Trying to refresh my memory, wasnt there another car allegedly at the house where Beverly was abducted from? Maybe that was CL driving AL car. jmho

We actually discussed the truck/car thing way back. The admin person
scolded me for giving the make and model. I am not aware of a car
but others on this site insist that a car was later backed up to the garage. It was only on Monday after CL guilty plea that made me
question where or not she had driven to the house after her class.
But I don't know for sure. But I am positive he was in a truck. Everyone looking for Beverly was on the look out for the truck. I thought it might belong to Trevor. Remember the AF guy he accused
of being his accomplice. ( Did I spell that correctly)

 

[PlateSpinner]

Look at the pictures in post #442 and Post #445. one of these shows the
driveway and the trees. Her car and the truck were blocked by the trees if
you were at the street. looking at the other picture, the photographer was
standing in the yard to the far left side of the house. Her car doesn't seem
to be blocked by the trees at all. But it was from street view.

 

[KayKay.85]

Look at the pictures in post #442 and Post #445. one of these shows the
driveway and the trees. Her car and the truck were blocked by the trees if
you were at the street. looking at the other picture, the photographer was
standing in the yard to the far left side of the house. Her car doesn't seem
to be blocked by the trees at all. But it was from street view.

This pic? If so, I see what you're saying about probably not being able to see either vehicle from the road.

 

[concernedmother]

We actually discussed the truck/car thing way back. The admin person
scolded me for giving the make and model. I am not aware of a car
but others on this site insist that a car was later backed up to the garage. It was only on Monday after CL guilty plea that made me
question where or not she had driven to the house after her class.
But I don't know for sure. But I am positive he was in a truck. Everyone looking for Beverly was on the look out for the truck. I thought it might belong to Trevor. Remember the AF guy he accused
of being his accomplice. ( Did I spell that correctly)

Except the time frame doesnt work for her being in class and we know she was involved now. She admitted it.So her car may have been there too. jmo

 

[arkansasmimi]

Sure I can draw it but my laptop is a Mac. I wear out laptops at the port where
you plug in the power cord. Mac power cords don't plug in they are magnets.
I love this thing but I'm not sure
how to get it uploaded on the site. I can scan it in my email and thats about it.
But yes that is what I am saying. You would have to see the house in person when
her car was in the driveway. ( you can't get the visual from the pictures that were
posted online.) In fact, when I got home on Friday night and saw the picture posted online, i told my family that the camera angle was deceiving. So I drove
past the house after the search on Saturday and her car was still in the driveway.

GO TO THE STORY ON SEPTEMBER 30 BY FROM CHANNEL 11. I think the article name is: Full coverage: missing realtor...
Scroll to the picture taken from the road. You will see a Mason Realty sign in the
yard and Beverly's car in the driveway. Do you notice how her car is parked at
an angle? The neighbor that gave a description of the truck AL was driving
told me that AL's truck was parked between her car and those trees. Seeing in
person, it was a tight squeeze and also those trees did a great job of hiding
his truck. I'm sure he was intentionally trying to hide his truck but at the
same time she would not have been able to get her door open with out
him backing out.

I posted that picture up thread your talking about. If its like your saying (not disputing your word) then maybe the truck was there prior to her getting there? I cant see her pulling in at that angle the care is, with a truck parked close to those trees though. And if it were there prior, coming down the road she would have been able to see it prior to arriving. I guess I misunderstood the gentleman that the reporter spoke to who himself was in a veh when speaking to reporter (iirc) I thought the stated the other veh was behind Beverly car. JMHO

 

[arkansasmimi]

Look at the pictures in post #442 and Post #445. one of these shows the
driveway and the trees. Her car and the truck were blocked by the trees if
you were at the street. looking at the other picture, the photographer was
standing in the yard to the far left side of the house. Her car doesn't seem
to be blocked by the trees at all. But it was from street vieww.

Respectfully BBM, don't mean to sound dumb or argumentative, but then how did the guy see the truck from the road? And the truck would be gone when you were there, so you wouldn't be able to verify where it actually was. I sincerely don't mean that to come out snarky, trying to think out loud.

 

[PlateSpinner]

Respectfully BBM, don't mean to sound dumb or argumentative, but then how did the guy see the truck from the road? And the truck would be gone when you were there, so you wouldn't be able to verify where it actually was. I sincerely don't mean that to come out snarky, trying to think out loud.

The man lived across the street. Of course he knew that the house was for sale.
When he noticed Beverly's car, the neighborhood watchmen instinct in him took
a much closer look. I am doing a poor job of explaining butwhen he made an effort to walk to the far side of his yard, he could see both her car and his truck in the driveway. If you were driving past the house it would be much harder to turn your head far enough around to see the truck and still keep your own car on the road.

He told me where it was parked He said it was between her car and the trees. Have
ever found a parking space and before you even attempted to pull in, you knew
the space was too small. I could look at the space between her car and the trees
and know it was a very tight squeeze. If there would have been a wall instead of tress, he would not have been able to squeeze into that spot.

Back to the neighbor, after he observed the vehicles, he felt certain it was
a realtor showing the house.

And by the way, she didn't use poor judgment on where she parked. He went their
to kidnap her. Even if she had parked in the street, he still would have parked behind those trees and kidnapped her. In fact if she would have parked just a little
closer to the trees, it would have put a damper on him being able to hide his truck.

I apologize for my poor communication skills.

 

[arkansasmimi]

The man lived across the street. Of course he knew that the house was for sale.
When he noticed Beverly's car, the neighborhood watchmen instinct in him took
a much closer look. I am doing a poor job of explaining butwhen he made an effort to walk to the far side of his yard, he could see both her car and his truck in the driveway. If you were driving past the house it would be much harder to turn your head far enough around to see the truck and still keep your own car on the road.

He told me where it was parked He said it was between her car and the trees. Have
ever found a parking space and before you even attempted to pull in, you knew
the space was too small. I could look at the space between her car and the trees
and know it was a very tight squeeze. If there would have been a wall instead of tress, he would not have been able to squeeze into that spot.

Back to the neighbor, after he observed the vehicles, he felt certain it was
a realtor showing the house.

And by the way, she didn't use poor judgment on where she parked. He went their
to kidnap her. Even if she had parked in the street, he still would have parked behind those trees and kidnapped her. In fact if she would have parked just a little
closer to the trees, it would have put a damper on him being able to hide his truck.

I apologize for my poor communication skills.

No need to apologize! Its hard to express sometimes. I have that problem a lot
So if truck was that close then maybe he drove straight out, but being that close its wonder he didn't scratch Beverly's car backing out.

 

[PlateSpinner]

I posted that picture up thread your talking about. If its like your saying (not disputing your word) then maybe the truck was there prior to her getting there? I cant see her pulling in at that angle the care is, with a truck parked close to those trees though. And if it were there prior, coming down the road she would have been able to see it prior to arriving. I guess I misunderstood the gentleman that the reporter spoke to who himself was in a veh when speaking to reporter (iirc) I thought the stated the other veh was behind Beverly car. JMHO

I talked to him after the reporter. That is not what I understood from him at all.
I am trying to wrap my head around this. I 100% believe she got there first.
If she was expecting to meet couple and he showed up first then she probably would have made a quick call to her husband before entering the house. But if
she got there first, she probably opened up the house and went in to make sure
all was in good order.

So back to the parking arrangement. I also talked to one of her very dear friends
who also drove past the house. She said she came very close to pulling up and going in the house. The driveway is so big it seems like if he would have pulled up directly behind her, it would have set off alarm bells. Especially since she said
she was always worried about Beverly's safety. ( as we are all always worried about
the safety of realtors.)

I'm not very good at this sluething thing so I might be wrong.

But I know I'm right about this. Carl, Sr is still having a very hard time. He needs our prayers more that anything. He needs a peace that is far beyond understanding. So everyone that reads this please send up prayers for him.