GUILTY AR - Beverly Carter, 49, Little Rock, 25 Sep 2014 - # 6

[sunflowerchick]

It really irks me when people assume that somebody is guilty or that they have something to hide if they lawyer up. There's plenty of good reasons for having a lawyer present when speaking to police, even when you have nothing to hide.

There's a ton of guilty people that have spoken to the police without a lawyer present, but do we assume they're innocent and have nothing to hide because they didn't ask for a lawyer? Of course not!

This was not directed towards anybody in this thread, just me ranting about the subject.

I totally agree and I hope I didn't say otherwise! My posts come off strange sometimes. I even get frustrated when others assume guilt or innocence based on past behavior. People can and do change. There are many criminals who are not repeat offenders and there are many first-time criminals with good healthy pasts.

Sadly in this case, I am not sure what to believe. AL is a career criminal and will never change. That much is known. CL is another story. I see this as a situation where there is damning evidence against her but I don't know if that is because she really is involved or because she trusted and cared about AL enough to get caught up enough that it looks like she is involved.

I do think it is interesting that she seemed to be cooperating with LE. And if they really did tell her they were going to end up charging her, they may have had it in for her from the beginning.

 

[sunflowerchick]

They have evidence or they wouldnt have put these charges on her. If they thought they didnt have enough to convict they would have charged her with lesser charges. Granted some of the evidence may be explained away. But if its something like her prints on the duct tape there is no way to explain that away.

Even if the duct tape came from her house? It would seem that could be explained away.

ETA: Not going into that because I don't want to help the defense (haha!) but trust me, if the duct tape was in her house, prints could be explained. It's not a great explanation, but if it casts doubt...

 

[rinbea2]

I think he was trying to lose the tail and fish tailed and crashed. That was my understanding from CL that he was running from unmarked cars he had seen in his neighborhood and knew they had tailed him. LE told CL this on that Sunday. I doubt he hatched a plan to go to any certain hospital in order to get away. My guess is he saw the opportunity and took it.

I agree him staying around those apartments in same part of town is odd. Maybe he had one of his "hook ups" that lived in the area?

Does it seem odd or is it normal that LE would tell CL that the reason he wrecked was because he was trying to lose their tale? But the again...how else would CL have that info? Just seems like an odd thing for LE to do when they didn't even have the arrest warrant isued.

 

[Tallula.Belle]

I agree it's hard to believe. It's also hard for me to believe how many people spend many years in jail or on death row only to be found totally innocent later. It can happen. Until we see the evidence of what they say CL has done we are all just "pissing in the wind".

I agree with you there 100%. Can you imagine loosing everything and most of your life spent on death row for a crime you didn't commit. I watched a Dateline episode not long ago about a man that was accused of killing his wife. He spent 30 years on death row and was finally exonerated with DNA evidence.

Bottom line we can all speculate all we want, but until we know a lot more than we do now, we have not a much to base our thought of what CL did or didn't do. I honestly never felt that she would have been connected and was very surprised when she was arrested. I know it happens but it is just hard for me to wrap my brain around that she had never been in any trouble with the law and now is charged with capital murder.

 

[nojusticenusa]

Does it seem odd or is it normal that LE would tell CL that the reason he wrecked was because he was trying to lose their tale? But the again...how else would CL have that info? Just seems like an odd thing for LE to do when they didn't even have the arrest warrant isued.

She said they told her this at the police station. I did not hear it with my own ears but see no reason for her to lie about it. Others seem to have information as to the same or seems I've seen posted somewhere that witnesses reported him being tailed by LE. Anyone else remember seeing that or was that speculation?

 

[ZooSleuth]

I totally agree and I hope I didn't say otherwise! My posts come off strange sometimes. I even get frustrated when others assume guilt or innocence based on past behavior. People can and do change. There are many criminals who are not repeat offenders and there are many first-time criminals with good healthy pasts.

Sadly in this case, I am not sure what to believe. AL is a career criminal and will never change. That much is known. CL is another story. I see this as a situation where there is damning evidence against her but I don't know if that is because she really is involved or because she trusted and cared about AL enough to get caught up enough that it looks like she is involved.

I do think it is interesting that she seemed to be cooperating with LE. And if they really did tell her they were going to end up charging her, they may have had it in for her from the beginning.

I definitely did not take it like you were saying otherwise, that's why I included that bit about my post not being directed at anybody in the thread so it would not be taken that way. And I also agree with what you said about past behavior.

 

[ZooSleuth]

Even if the duct tape came from her house? It would seem that could be explained away.

ETA: Not going into that because I don't want to help the defense (haha!) but trust me, if the duct tape was in her house, prints could be explained. It's not a great explanation, but if it casts doubt...

Along the same lines, if the evidence they have against her involves her phone that also might have a reasonable explanation. NJ stated that AL would take CL's phone away from her on numerous occasions.

 

[hockeymom4]

The lawyer conversation is interesting. I agree 100% with those saying getting one doesn't equal a person being guilty. What is interesting is I am on another thread and a person who has been questioned four times got a lawyer and people have said he must be guilty, who gets one unless you are guilty, etc. now I will say they think this non POI and non suspect is guilty due to other things, but the comments were made by many that him getting a lawyer makes him look guilty. It makes zero sense to me. I would never speak to police without a lawyer on a missing person or a murder case whether I had something to do with it or not. Heck, I wouldn't speak to them on anything they bring me in for. You are able to have a right to an attorney for a reason.

 

[Midge Montana]

I cannot believe neither of them has rolled over on the other yet.

 

[Tallula.Belle]

Does it seem odd or is it normal that LE would tell CL that the reason he wrecked was because he was trying to lose their tale? But the again...how else would CL have that info? Just seems like an odd thing for LE to do when they didn't even have the arrest warrant isued.

I think LE will use a lot of means to try to get info. They may have thought by telling her this that it would get her to talk, or convince him to turn himself in.

 

[Tallula.Belle]

I cannot believe neither of them has rolled over on the other yet.

I can't believe he didn't roll on her the night that he was arrested. He doesn't seem like the type of person that would be loyal to anyone.

 

[Butler321]

I can't believe he didn't roll on her the night that he was arrested. He doesn't seem like the type of person that would be loyal to anyone.

We don't know that he didn't. One theory is that he sang like a canary after he was served with divorce papers. NJ-do you know what the time frame was between him getting served with divorce papers and her getting arrested is?

 

[nojusticenusa]

We don't know that he didn't. One theory is that he sang like a canary after he was served with divorce papers. NJ-do you know what the time frame was between him getting served with divorce papers and her getting arrested is?

Last I talked to CL (the day of her arrest) she had not served him yet. I wonder if he even knows yet that she filed for divorce?

 

[Tallula.Belle]

Even if the duct tape came from her house? It would seem that could be explained away.

ETA: Not going into that because I don't want to help the defense (haha!) but trust me, if the duct tape was in her house, prints could be explained. It's not a great explanation, but if it casts doubt...

I have read a lot of cases such as these and I am always amazed with the use of duct tape. Too me, that would be something that would be the last thing I would want to use. It seems like that would surely have fingerprints on it.

 

[Tallula.Belle]

We don't know that he didn't. One theory is that he sang like a canary after he was served with divorce papers. NJ-do you know what the time frame was between him getting served with divorce papers and her getting arrested is?

Well we know he talks a lot. Going back to that part 3 of his tv interview he told the gal doing the interview something like "you have asked about five different ways and I just really want to tell you." If he is not in solitude, at the prison, you know he is talking to someone.

 

[Tallula.Belle]

The lawyer conversation is interesting. I agree 100% with those saying getting one doesn't equal a person being guilty. What is interesting is I am on another thread and a person who has been questioned four times got a lawyer and people have said he must be guilty, who gets one unless you are guilty, etc. now I will say they think this non POI and non suspect is guilty due to other things, but the comments were made by many that him getting a lawyer makes him look guilty. It makes zero sense to me. I would never speak to police without a lawyer on a missing person or a murder case whether I had something to do with it or not. Heck, I wouldn't speak to them on anything they bring me in for. You are able to have a right to an attorney for a reason.

I wouldn't either. It just makes good sense. It is really unfair to accuse someone, just because they are represented. Attorney's are also able to get a lot more info than the general public would ever get as well.

 

[Coquette]

We don't know that he didn't. One theory is that he sang like a canary after he was served with divorce papers. NJ-do you know what the time frame was between him getting served with divorce papers and her getting arrested is?

Given his public postings on places like Facebook after he's felt slighted or betrayed by CL (or any woman, really), I suspect divorce papers, or word she's divorcing him, would be so emotionally triggering to him he'd happily sell her out - IMO.

 

[nojusticenusa]

Given his public postings on places like Facebook after he's felt slighted or betrayed by CL (or any woman, really), I suspect divorce papers, or word she's divorcing him, would be so emotionally triggering to him he'd happily sell her out - IMO.

IF he has anything to sell her out for. IF he did I think he would have sold her out from the start. I think AL would sell his own mama or child if it helped him.

 

[hagger]

Does it seem odd or is it normal that LE would tell CL that the reason he wrecked was because he was trying to lose their tale? But the again...how else would CL have that info? Just seems like an odd thing for LE to do when they didn't even have the arrest warrant isued.

AL could have told her as it is possible she is not telling the truth about being questioned at the hospital or going to the police station.. on Sunday..

Edited to clarify the day

 

[sammy32]

They have evidence or they wouldnt have put these charges on her. If they thought they didnt have enough to convict they would have charged her with lesser charges. Granted some of the evidence may be explained away. But if its something like her prints on the duct tape there is no way to explain that away.

I bet there are prints on my roll of duct tape at my house. If my husband decides to take that roll and use it to kidnap someone, I guess I am **** out of luck......