GUILTY AR - Beverly Carter, 49, Little Rock, 25 Sep 2014 - # 9

[ConnectZDots]

In my opinion, something is fishy about that. Her ex is in the military and therefore, all support payments come directly out of his pay, and are sent directly to her. So, I honestly don't see how there could have been a 12 week time frame that she wasn't getting paid. The only way that would happen, would be if he wasn't working. I have many friend that receive child support from dad's in the military and it is paid just like clockwork. JMO

To be fair, I may be mis-remembering that. I thought we had it somewhere in court documts but don't have time to go looking back right now so I will go with the fact that the military would not likely allow that to occur and catch it. Maybe someone else recalls where the 12 week in arrears meme came from and I seem to remember it was stated in September? what I do remember is VI-1 stated numerous times that he was in arrears for two yrs, then it became "over one year" and someone found the 12 weeks record to rebut the 2 yrs. I think! But yes, I will defer to TKL if he wants to speak to where that came from.

 

[ConnectZDots]

VI Butler said in post #711 from thread #4

CL went voluntarily to the police station (after leaving the hospital) to answer questions on Sunday, Sept. 28. She was not under arrest at that time. I do not know how long she was there. I do not know what they asked her.... I just know the police asked her for access to her phone (which she gave them at the hospital) and that she complied when asked to come in and answer questions. It was during this time that her house was searched for the first time. CL was arrested the next day Monday the 29th at approx 10:00 am....that was when she was taken in and "formally questioned"....she was released later that night sometime between 8-10pm.

NJ-I know we've been over this a thousand times...I'm sure you will confirm.

Interesting. AL was also apprehended that Monday at 10AM at/in Green mountain (is that a town or a street? Lol) . I hadn't realized they were simultaneously taken in that same morning.

 

[mpnola]

To be fair, I may be mis-remembering that. I thought we had it somewhere in court documts but don't have time to go looking back right now so I will go with the fact that the military would not likely allow that to occur and catch it. Maybe someone else recalls where the 12 week in arrears meme came from and I seem to remember it was stated in September? what I do remember is VI-1 stated numerous times that he was in arrears for two yrs, then it became "over one year" and someone found the 12 weeks record to rebut the 2 yrs. I think! But yes, I will defer to TKL if he wants to speak to where that came from.

I think the box said "under 12 weeks" and it was checked. It was the lowest amount of time possible, I am pretty sure.

 

[ConnectZDots]

I think the box said "under 12 weeks" and it was checked. It was the lowest amount of time possible, I am pretty sure.

Thanks, I was starting to think I was going crazy! in any case I edited my previous post to say nobody is really sure for now. Because it's true. Guess the original point was they were having a bad Aug/Sep in the CL-AL household regardless.... Which may or may not speak to motive on Sept 25.

 

[ConnectZDots]

<Mod Snip> But I do believe there are things related to the place that will play a part in this case in the end and come out as do many of the locals who also have kids in the program, read back on older threads to see quite a few very illuminating comments from them.

The VI was in full steam denial of what each of them had to say however and singularly insisting their reports were not accurate, not true. There were at least 3 locals with accounts that differed from the VI

And for the record, I'm still holding out that there was a third party involved in the case -not yet named. Just my pet theory for the moment.

 

[mpnola]

Thanks, I was starting to think I was going crazy! in any case I edited my previous post to say nobody is really sure for now. Because it's true. Guess the original point was they were having a bad Aug/Sep in the CL-AL household regardless.... Which may or may not speak to motive on Sept 25.

I, personally, think it has everything to do with it! Too many financial factors and trying to get money in alternative (selling household items) or illegal ways (extortion).

 

[mpnola]

<Mod Snip> But I do believe there are things related to the place that will play a part in this case in the end and come out as do many of the locals who also have kids in the program, read back on older friends to see quite a few very illuminating comments from them.

The VI was in full steam denial of what each of them had to say however and singularly insisting their reports were not accurate, not true. There were at least 3 locals with accounts that differed from the VI

And for the record, I'm still holding out that there was a third party involved in the case -not yet named. Just my pet theory for the moment.

And exactly what you linked to above- that a large part of this gym is the mothers who are involved and want this- is exactly why I was so confused at a VI being so adamant that Crystal never went to the gym. I have never met a parent who doesn't go to sports events/ practices/ etc. for their child. Even more, the parent involvement seems to be a major part of this gym! I never understood how it was even possible that Crystal was not there or could not have possibly met/ seen/ encountered Beverly at the gym. I'm not saying it is certain, but reasoning would say it is a possibility, for sure!

 

[SeeAlice]

When I first joined this site, one of my questions was asking about a car being at the property in addition to BC's car and the older model
extended cab grey truck that was mentioned in the paper. Someone responded and said that a VI had told us in an earlier post that a small car was
also at the house but I don't know where to find that post. IMA requires me to base my post only using things I can link and i can't
link a car. But I'm certainly not saying he didn't use a car to take her from the house Either way, he kidnapped her.

BTW- If you know where to find the VI's post about the car, I would love to see it.

Not trying to be rude or to "bait" you, but your theory and question seem to ignore or perhaps simply overlook one very important detail:

Crystal and Arron are BOTH charged with kidnapping the victim.

Crystal was not charged with aiding and abetting nor was she charged with being an accessory to the crime after the fact.
She was arrested for the kidnapping and murder of Beverly Carter.

What reason is there to presume AL acted alone in the abduction?

I have no reason not to believe CL was a full and equal participant in both acts. She may plea to a lesser charge to avoid a trial and the death penalty, in which case we may never find out what kind of torturous hell CL likely helped put the victim through before she finally succumbed.

May God have mercy on both of their souls.

JMO

 

[SeeAlice]

BBM
Did the VI correct this to Monday since CL was arrested on Monday ...

I am sure this has more to do with my reading style (and the VI's writing style,) as well as the emotions we both felt and that we read into one another's posts) but I stayed confused about the various factoids presented and could never get a firm grasp on the timeline or much of anything else.

JMO

 

[Knox]

To be fair, I may be mis-remembering that. I thought we had it somewhere in court documts but don't have time to go looking back right now so I will go with the fact that the military would not likely allow that to occur and catch it. Maybe someone else recalls where the 12 week in arrears meme came from and I seem to remember it was stated in September? what I do remember is VI-1 stated numerous times that he was in arrears for two yrs, then it became "over one year" and someone found the 12 weeks record to rebut the 2 yrs. I think! But yes, I will defer to TKL if he wants to speak to where that came from.

It was stated here ... https://contexte.aoc.arkansas.gov/i...resent2?DMS_ID=UTNW2ZB2XLN6W8LQRZXX1G3S9IUEHQ

 

[SeeAlice]

<Mod Snip>But I do believe there are things related to the place that will play a part in this case in the end and come out as do many of the locals who also have kids in the program, read back on older threads to see quite a few very illuminating comments from them.

The VI was in full steam denial of what each of them had to say however and singularly insisting their reports were not accurate, not true. There were at least 3 locals with accounts that differed from the VI

And for the record, I'm still holding out that there was a third party involved in the case -not yet named. Just my pet theory for the moment.

I have no idea if it will be featured in evidence at trial but look for it to play a major role in the upcoming "BOMBSHELL TONIGHT!" media reports.

 

[ConnectZDots]

And exactly what you linked to above- that a large part of this gym is the mothers who are involved and want this- is exactly why I was so confused at a VI being so adamant that Crystal never went to the gym. I have never met a parent who doesn't go to sports events/ practices/ etc. for their child. Even more, the parent involvement seems to be a major part of this gym! I never understood how it was even possible that Crystal was not there or could not have possibly met/ seen/ encountered Beverly at the gym. I'm not saying it is certain, but reasoning would say it is a possibility, for sure!

Lots of interesting posts on threads 3,4 & 5 on this subject by other moms who said they have kids attending there. The VI was struggling to make them all rethink what they'd seen and believed -and insisting that they forget about the gym totally. Don't know why. I can understand why the owners would want to nip any thinking along those lines in the bud, given their recent problems with the law. That makes sense. But the VI went overboard protesting - pay no attention to the gym! It has no bearing on this case...Nobody met or saw anybody there! ....Yes you got it, "adamant" is the word. Forcing me to mutter to myself, Methinks thou doth protest too much- while reading those passages.

 

[SeeAlice]

The September court records said 12 weeks in arrears, which puts it around June right? Did we not see that on the court docket?

IIRC, the only issue was that payments to/for the cheer gym were unpaid/in arrears. Both parties agreed he would repay CL in $100/month installments. His actual court calculated support was never in arrears.

 

[ConnectZDots]

It was stated here ... https://contexte.aoc.arkansas.gov/i...resent2?DMS_ID=UTNW2ZB2XLN6W8LQRZXX1G3S9IUEHQ

Ok thanks. That must be the document I was recalling, but the time frame is vague. Under 12 weeks then, not 12 weeks. Ok, Thank you!

 

[SeeAlice]

I posted this but I don't know if you saw it. I know that one of the VI's said he didn't have a truck. The other two, have never mentioned it to my knowledge, but they both live in other states. Here was my original post

Welcome Platespinner


AL never had a truck that anyone has been able to prove, or even seen him drive. Here is the link to where you can look up his vehicles. http://www.countyservice.net/review?item=449262 I checked it and it still works. At the time all this happened, it was believed he only had the Fusion and had sold the Malibu. Same record search shows that CL had a 2011 Hyundai Santa Fe, but listed under a different last name than Lowery.

From the time he got out in August 2013 he always had two cars. He showed two in the video, it was a Jeep and a Pontiac. Then he had two different motorcycles, I believe. He had the Ford Fusion, which he got stuck in the mud and that he wrecked, and the gentleman that pulled him out of the mud verified it was a Fusion.

What kind of car did he buy Ashley in November? Do we know if he put it in her name? Did he take it back when their relationship ended.

(Info he posted on his FB acct.)

 

[SeeAlice]

I'm sure you source is right. I guess LE killed two birds with one stone. HA! You do remember reading that LE was already watching him
before he had the wreck, right?

No. I remember the news articles quoted several other drivers who witnessed the crash and they said no one cut him off or tried to run him off the road (or whatever his original excuse was for the accident.)

Were they surveilling him from a chopper or something like that?

 

[Knox]

Sorry to jump in off key, but I missed AL's response to the divorce filing. Why would he say Crystal may be pregnant?
https://contexte.aoc.arkansas.gov/i...resent2?DMS_ID=XY6V700WB454918816BULXCGA1N4UV

 

[mpnola]

Sorry to jump in off key, but I missed AL's response to the divorce filing. Why would he say Crystal may be pregnant?
https://contexte.aoc.arkansas.gov/i...resent2?DMS_ID=XY6V700WB454918816BULXCGA1N4UV

Cause he's a... Ok OK. If u don't have anything nice thing. I thinknit is BC if she were preg divorce won't be granted or would be harder to get granted. Per vi's, she has her tubes tied.

 

[SeeAlice]

Sorry to jump in off key, but I missed AL's response to the divorce filing. Why would he say Crystal may be pregnant?
https://contexte.aoc.arkansas.gov/i...resent2?DMS_ID=XY6V700WB454918816BULXCGA1N4UV

Actually, I believe I read that in Arkansas you cannot be granted a divorce while pregnant.

He probably saw a question about pregnancy on the family law legal self-help forms the state provides, read the 1st paragraph of explanation, & decided, "What the heck? Can't hurt. Might be pretty amusing. Even better, might get a few delays. Or maybe I can dislocate my shoulder and meet up with her at the hospital?"

Most likely he just enjoys messing with people's heads. Crystal isn't reading his letters, so he's using the next best tool he has: pro se filings with the court.

JMO

Adding link to BeeGee's "I've Just Got to Get a Message to You" which seems apropos.
http://youtu.be/gC4Eq_FZQRw

 

[SeeAlice]

Cause he's a... Ok OK. If u don't have anything nice thing. I thinknit is BC if she were preg divorce won't be granted or would be harder to get granted. Per vi's, she has her tubes tied.

Really? She made quite a big deal on her IG "feud" with the other woman about him lying to her, pretending to want to settle down, get married, and having kids & family, didn't she?

(I don't do Instagram so I can't find a link for that. Sorry. Hopefully someone else can?)