GUILTY AR - Jersey Bridgeman, 6, raped & murdered, Bentonville, 20 Nov 2012 #1

[Lois Lane]

I completely agree. Also, something that stood out to me--if I'm remembering correctly--is that in articles where it mentions he allowed a cheek swab for DNA, that a small amount of sperm was found on Jersey. Or small amount of sperm cells, I forget how it was worded. I hate to be crude, but aside from completely bathing her and giving her an internal douche, the only way I see that just a small amount of sperm/sperm cells being available is if the monster used a condom thinking this would keep him from leaving behind DNA. If he used a condom, that's a whole lot of pre-planning and--what's that phrase? Conciousness of guilt?

But that's assuming that 'small amount of sperm/cells'=condom.

My theory as to the quantification of "small amount" is that he may have had performance issues.

I hadn't considered a condom. Certainly possible.

He commented on his facebook and he and the Mrs. were trying to conceive so would he have had condoms available?

Surely he would not purchase them at the EZ-Mart. Then again, there's that crayon in the box thing.

 

[Magdalyn]

Mea culpa. I see what you're saying, but I have found that when strangulation is the cause of death, it is usually reported to be strangulation.
I think there is a very strong possibility that ZH held his hand over Jersey's mouth/nose, which would result in asphyxiation.

I think many people assume since LE said it was definitely homocide before the ME had determined cause/manner of death via autopsy, that her cause of death must have appeared obvious to the naked eye--like something wrapped around her neck or obvious marks around her neck.

But...if what was obvious to LE just by looking at her was that she was raped (no pants/panties, blood on thighs, bruising, etc), perhaps in LE speak, they knew it to be 'homocide' because no matter the way she was killed (suffocation/strangulation/bumped her head/heart attack), she died during the commision of a kidnapping/rape, therefore making it 1st degree homocide no matter what?

Just throwing that out there. It's been a while since I watched Dr. G, so ....

 

[NC Analyzer]

I think many people assume since LE said it was definitely homocide before the ME had determined cause/manner of death via autopsy, that her cause of death must have appeared obvious to the naked eye--like something wrapped around her neck or obvious marks around her neck.

But...if what was obvious to LE just by looking at her was that she was raped (no pants/panties, blood on thighs, bruising, etc), perhaps in LE speak, they knew it to be 'homocide' because no matter the way she was killed (suffocation/strangulation/bumped her head/heart attack), she died during the commision of a kidnapping/rape, therefore making it 1st degree homocide no matter what?

Just throwing that out there. It's been a while since I watched Dr. G, so ....

That's pretty much why it can't be stated with any certainty whether or not she was strangled or suffocated...all we know is asphyxiation is listed as cause of death.

 

[Magdalyn]

Then again, there's that crayon in the box thing.

Lol, you made me :floorlaugh: Thanks, I needed it!

 

[Guinevere]

Originally Posted by Lois Lane
Then again, there's that crayon in the box thing

Lol, you made me :floorlaugh: Thanks, I needed it!

Ha! I had to chuckle myself.

~

 

[ahintexas]

Mea culpa. I see what you're saying, but I have found that when strangulation is the cause of death, it is usually reported to be strangulation.
I think there is a very strong possibility that ZH held his hand over Jersey's mouth/nose, which would result in asphyxiation.

If you want to get medical, Ligature marks are a clue that the hyoid bone may be broken. As a general rule, on a post mortem exam, if a hyoid bone is fractured the death will be a homicide from strangulation until proven otherwise. However, because the two halves of the hyoid do not fuse until age 30, the hyoid may not break in younger victims who die as the result of strangulation. This may be why her death was ruled asphyxiation, and not strangulation.

 

[catswhiskers]

Just had a closer read of ZH's fb page again. I have to say I'm struck by how pretty well all of his posts are declarations of love and devotion for A and his little family, and how happy he is with life. Constant references to his "baby" and "angel". I know fb profiles can be very deceiving ... and the Silence of the Lambs quote is really weird (especially given everything else posted). But - I get the impression he would do anything to keep that love ... and wonder if he was talked into covering/taking the fall for someone else?? He seems submissive enough for that to be plausible.

There is also the redacted police document posted here a couple of days back. The part where AH seemed to be in contact with LE from early on, and telling them they were on their way to Springfield and that she would get back to the police on their return got me thinking I guess. Time spent getting stories straight? It almost sounds like she was calling the shots at that part of the investigation.

And no I haven't got as far as thinking how this fits with the crime scene or how the whole horrible event played out Sorry to be icky, but I did think it was strange that the word "sperm" was used when that evidence was announced, rather than "semen" - maybe just incorrect wording by whoever released/read that info. Given that it was noted it was a small amount, it did occur to me that maybe it was planted ...

Just another rather wild theory to throw out there. I have been very misled by fb appearances before. Forget "never judge a book by it's cover" - now we should say never judge a person by their fb profile!

:moo:

 

[STEADFAST]

Mea culpa. I see what you're saying, but I have found that when strangulation is the cause of death, it is usually reported to be strangulation.
I think there is a very strong possibility that ZH held his hand over Jersey's mouth/nose, which would result in asphyxiation.

I have to disagree. I believe it's the norm to release the cause of death as asphyxiation with no specifics in the early part of a murder investigation, especially a violent homicide of a child. It's only later that the public finds out the child was put into a plastic bag or strangled or smothered or hanged or duct taped or whatever other horrific and disturbing method the murderer used. There's nothing yet in this case to point to any one of these methods as being more likely than any other.

 

[Marbir]

I have to disagree. I believe it's the norm to release the cause of death as asphyxiation with no specifics in the early part of a murder investigation, especially a violent homicide of a child. It's only later that the public finds out the child was put into a plastic bag or strangled or smothered or hanged or duct taped or whatever other horrific and disturbing method the murderer used. There's nothing yet in this case to point to any one of these methods as being more likely than any other.

Yes I think asphyxiation is a milder term chosen to lessen the shock to the parent. Sure the details would come out in time but sometimes it nice to go with baby steps on giving the info out. I think that may be why the charge of rape wasn't announced until the bond hearing. The family had one less detail haunting them the day of Jersey's funeral.

I know a woman in my town whose son 16yo commited suicide by hanging earlier this year. She just did not want to know how he went. Didn't want anyone to tell her how he did it. Most everyone else knew he hung himself though. I think it was easier for her to believe he used drugs to kill himself. Its a tough thing I'm sure having visuals in your mind like that.

 

[claudicici]

My theory at the moment is that he has been molesting Jersey all along.
I think AH found out something and that's where those quotes of "huge mistake" etc came in.Maybe AH told him she would leave him that night? Maybe Jersey threatened she would tell her mom?
IDK,but something made that monster go back into DB's house after Jersey was already safe and asleep and rape and kill her.The only thing I can think of is uncontrollable anger.He had access to Jersey all the time.Why go back and steal her from her own house?

 

[NC Analyzer]

I have to disagree. I believe it's the norm to release the cause of death as asphyxiation with no specifics in the early part of a murder investigation, especially a violent homicide of a child. It's only later that the public finds out the child was put into a plastic bag or strangled or smothered or hanged or duct taped or whatever other horrific and disturbing method the murderer used. There's nothing yet in this case to point to any one of these methods as being more likely than any other.

Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree because I've seen it reported plenty of times that the child was strangled, placed in a trash bag, duct taped, whatever. Other than that, you are pretty much saying exactly what I've been saying, which is the theory that he suffocated her by placing his hands across her nose/mouth is just as plausible as the theory that she was strangled. Until a trial, no one theory is more likely than another.
Personally, I just think he was a cowardly whimp and didn't have the balls to actually strangle a child...which could take several minutes. I think he suffocated her by closing off her air during the rape in an effort to stop her from crying out. JMO

 

[CountryGirl]

I am curious. If the prosecution had to present all probably cause in the hearing does that mean it was done through the unredacted PC statement for the judge's eyes only? The hearing was public--so nothing was discussed in open court?

 

[ahintexas]

My theory at the moment is that he has been molesting Jersey all along.
I think AH found out something and that's where those quotes of "huge mistake" etc came in.Maybe AH told him she would leave him that night? Maybe Jersey threatened she would tell her mom?
IDK,but something made that monster go back into DB's house after Jersey was already safe and asleep and rape and kill her.The only thing I can think of is uncontrollable anger.He had access to Jersey all the time.Why go back and steal her from her own house?

I've thought this as well.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

My theory at the moment is that he has been molesting Jersey all along.
I think AH found out something and that's where those quotes of "huge mistake" etc came in.Maybe AH told him she would leave him that night? Maybe Jersey threatened she would tell her mom?
IDK,but something made that monster go back into DB's house after Jersey was already safe and asleep and rape and kill her.The only thing I can think of is uncontrollable anger.He had access to Jersey all the time.Why go back and steal her from her own house?

I think it's possible that he was molesting her and it escalated. The reason he would go back to get her, though, instead of taking advantage to that extent on his watch is, well, just that. Much harder to get away with it (in his mind anyway) if it happens on his watch. JMO. I think it shows he had the ability to self control, and chose to act on the impulse and premeditate the happenings at least to some extent.

 

[gitana1]

What was the deal with the Mountain Dew pants? Did someone see him walking around that night in the neighborhood wearing those pants or did they actually find the pants in the house where Jersey was?

I think he intended to take Jersey from the home and rape her and I don't think her death was any kind of accident at all. Guys like this know, when things "go too far", that if they don't kill the victim, the sick thing they did will come out. That's one reason I think her death was no accident. The other reason is that guys like this often just kill their victims because it's part of a the "thrill" to them. Sick, disgusting pigs.

I don't know what fuels such monsters, but taking the breath and life from the beautiful beings they just brutalized is all part of the sick "fun" they have with their playthings.

I will never buy the "Lenny" argument when it comes to a sick f*$& that can do this to a child - that can go into a home, take a baby, rape her and then kill her. No way.

 

[Marbir]

I am curious. If the prosecution had to present all probably cause in the hearing does that mean it was done through the unredacted PC statement for the judge's eyes only? The hearing was public--so nothing was discussed in open court?

The judge, the prosecuting attorney and the defense attorney all saw and have copies of the full charging affidavit without anything blacked out. The affidavit was only released to the public and press with the blacked out portions. And things were discussed in court at the judge's bench with the lawyers that were not audible to anyone else in the court room.

 

[STEADFAST]

What was the deal with the Mountain Dew pants? Did someone see him walking around that night in the neighborhood wearing those pants or did they actually find the pants in the house where Jersey was?

I think he intended to take Jersey from the home and rape her and I don't think her death was any kind of accident at all. Guys like this know, when things "go too far", that if they don't kill the victim, the sick thing they did will come out. That's one reason I think her death was no accident. The other reason is that guys like this often just kill their victims because it's part of a the "thrill" to them. Sick, disgusting pigs.

I don't know what fuels such monsters, but taking the breath and life from the beautiful beings they just brutalized is all part of the sick "fun" they have with their playthings.

I will never buy the "Lenny" argument when it comes to a sick f*$& that can do this to a child - that can go into a home, take a baby, rape her and then kill her. No way.

He was walking around in the Mountain Dew pants the morning Jersey was found. Pics here: http://www.4029tv.com/news/arkansas/northwest/-/8897460/17561470/-/8qshwy/-/index.html

I'm with you on the "Lenny" argument -- great way to put it!

 

[matou]

What's the "Lenny" argument? TIA

 

[STEADFAST]

What's the "Lenny" argument? TIA

In Of Mice and Men, a mentally challenged character rapes and accidentally kills a girl, but it is because he can't understand or control his animal urges -- he is an eternal innocent. Or anyway, that's how I think Steinbeck portrayed the whole thing.

 

[catswhiskers]

Sorry if these links have already been posted. Found them saved on youtube - 40/29's prison interviews with Jersey's father:

Part 1 here

Part 2 here