AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #1

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  • #841
I have not seen his place either. It was just mentioned on one of the shows. If i find a link I will post.

From 9/2013:

Our son John David has got a job and a home. He's leasing that home out as rental income and putting the money aside. He's also getting his pilot license right now and he's been a fireman and a police officer, and now he's a constable.

http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/19-kids-and-counting/michelle-duggars-blog/michelle-duggar-courtship/

I'm assuming he kicked his tenants out and moved out of the TTH?
 
  • #842
I just checked several sources re:John David and living quarters. I'm not sure they are links I can bring here. They are confusing. Common theme appears that he owns a home and is leasing it out to save money. Perhaps there was a period of time he left the nest. Or not lol
 
  • #843
Things that make you go Hmmmmm

Here is an interesting fact about John David Duggar from the families own webpage

Our son John David has got a job and a home. He's leasing that home out as rental income and putting the money aside. He's also getting his pilot license right now and he's been a fireman and a police officer, and now he's a constable.
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Constable John-David takes Jim Bob on a ride-along in his police car. "We'll see if my dad follows the rules," says John. In case you are wondering, a constable is a police officer with less authority and a smaller jurisdiction than a sheriff. John-David was sworn in as constable in January 2013.

John-David stops to help an officer who has pulled someone over in a gas station parking lot. He instructs Jim Bob to stay in the car, but the Duggar dad slips out and buys food at the convenience store.
"It looks like you got out of the car," says John, jokingly. "We've got to keep our strength up," responds Jim Bob, holding a package of donuts and two bottles of Gatorade. The ride-along turns out to be uneventful, but Jim Bob enjoys spending time with his son.
http://www.duggarfamilyblog.com/2015/03/recap-invites-ride-alongs-and-wedding.html

A constable is a person holding a particular office, most commonly in law enforcement. The office of constable can vary significantly in different jurisdictions. A constable is commonly the rank of an officer within the police.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constable

John David is 25 years old and has a twin sister named Jana. My daughter and I :blush: watched the show. She has them all taped on our DVR.
 
  • #844
From 9/2013:



http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/19-kids-and-counting/michelle-duggars-blog/michelle-duggar-courtship/

I'm assuming he kicked his tenants out and moved out of the TTH?


From Dmacky's post above:

Our son John David has got a job and a home. He's leasing that home out as rental income and putting the money aside.

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I took that to mean that he'd bought a property and was renting it out, and banking the income. "He's got a home," as in, he bought a home and is renting it out, not necessarily, "He's got a home, and he's living in it."

Just my .02 cents' worth. :)
 
  • #845
One thing i always wondered had they not had a fairly lucrative income from real estate etc. Would they have had that many children?
 
  • #846
Some have speculated that cousin Amy was the unnamed 5th victim. According to her boyfriend, she is not.

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...-about-peace-amid-molestation-scandal-2015265

While Amy was more poetic about the crisis affecting her family, her boyfriend Dillon King directly addressed the scandal that same day. "I'm so thankful for this beautiful girl in my life, praying for the Duggar family in this hard time..." he wrote on Instagram, alongside a photo of Amy. "Thank you Jesus Amy wasn't involved in the situation.

Read more: http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...mid-molestation-scandal-2015265#ixzz3bGIEpvEN
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  • #847
Snipped and BBM

John-David stops to help an officer who has pulled someone over in a gas station parking lot. He instructs Jim Bob to stay in the car, but the Duggar dad slips out and buys food at the convenience store.


I guess Jim Bob wasn't effectively blanket-trained.
 
  • #848
http://deadspin.com/tony-kornheiser-defends-josh-duggar-says-maybe-he-shou-1706842414

ESPN personality Tony Kornheiser defended admitted child molester Josh Duggar on his radio show, questioning whether the reality star and former executive director of the powerful Family Research Council should be “driven from his job” for sexually abusing at least five children while he was a teenager.

http://www.today.com/popculture/jos...andal-19-kids-counting-backlash-mounts-t22806
Family members are speaking up for Duggar; on Sunday his sister Jessa's father-in-law, Michael Seewald, posted a defense on his blog and said in part, "Are the Duggars perfect in their interpretation of God's moral standards? No. but neither is anyone else."

This is the same blog that was already discussed above but IMO this is not really a relevant argument. Very few people (I hope) have ever even thought that the Duggars might be perfect in their interpretation of God's moral standards (didn't the Bible say we're all sinners so no one is...?)

Not being perfect is not an issue here, failing to address incest and child abuse properly is. There's a LOT of middleground IMO between "perfect" and "molests his sisters".

http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2015/05/25/josh-duggar-said-hes-sorry-but-is-tlc-menon.html



So now TLC finds itself in a similar position to when the network cancelledHere Comes Honey Boo Boo last fall because matriarch Mama June was allegedly dating a sex offender. Only the situation this time is even worse because if you analyze a timeline of events, it’s hard to believe TLC did not know something was amiss.

The sexual assault allegations have existed for years. They have appeared on blogs dedicated to the show. The molestation allegations are also why Oprah Winfrey reportedly scrapped a special on the Duggars in 2006 and contacted authorities.

So what did TLC do in the immediate aftermath of the scandal? It aired a marathon of 19 Kids and Counting. Then on Friday, after an outcry, it hastily pulled the show . . . for now. But the long-term fate of the show remains unclear, which shows you just how far down the rabbit hole TLC has tumbled
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  • #850
http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion...e-is-a-troubling-reality/stories/201505260033

Every major and minor candidate for the Republican presidential nomination has been photographed with Josh Duggar. It will be interesting to see how many of them run from him now that he’s radioactive, though former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee continues to defend and extol Mr. Duggar as someone who made a “youthful mistake.” He says the Duggars are being persecuted by the liberal media. Yawn!

It is stunning that the Duggars were brazen enough to go forward with a reality series knowing that this story was bound to come out and shame their entire brood. They should’ve encouraged Josh to get a job on an oil rig in the North Atlantic instead of accepting big money to call other people “pedophiles.”

There’s a reason Jesus denounced hypocrites more than any other sinner in his day.


http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/cre...-wrong-for-josh-duggar-to-molest-his-sisters/
A creationism activist suggested Josh Duggar be punished for molesting his sleeping sisters and their friends by being paid to campaign against LGBT people marrying one another.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/stephaniemcneal/duggars-mistakes-abuse-survivors#.niqrErPgx

Abuse survivors and experts told BuzzFeed News the Duggars’ description of the abuse as a “mistake” diminishes both the effect on victims and the seriousness of the crime.

“I wouldn’t say it’s a mistake, I would say it’s sexual abuse, something that is such a serious crime,” one survivor of sibling sexual assault, who wished to remain anonymous, told BuzzFeed News. “You say, oops I dropped my coffee, that’s a mistake.”

The family environment can also play a factor in sibling sexual abuse. Research suggests this type of abuse is more common in large families where there are blurred lines between who is a parent and who is a child, Caffaro said.

“Emotionally and/or physically absent parents may empower older siblings to assume parental roles,” he said.

Parents in these types of families are also more prone to dismissing the abuse, he said.
However, in at least one study, youth sex offenders who violated their siblings were found to be at a higher risk for re-offending than those who violated a non-sibling.

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/05/22/lead-intv-saltz-duggar-molestation.cnn

Psychiatrist concerned Duggar didn't get professional treatment (video)
 
  • #851
And what she is doing is priming the pump for child molesters to have submissive children to exploit.

Or priming them to stop when she yells at them to stop when they're about to run into traffic, or stop before they put their hand on the hot stove. Kids are supposed to be obedient.
 
  • #852
Does anyone know why the minor victim chose NOW to ask for the record to be expunged? Nine years after the 2006 report and all the other minors have reached the age of majority. In all likelihood, she will be turning 18 soon, so was it to "beat the clock" before a birthday? Sort of like the last chance to ask?


And am I correct in assuming the minor victim would need help from her parents to make such a request? I don't think it's very likely she contacted an attorney on her own. JBD and MD seem to be at least a little bit legally savvy, or have a decent attorney of their own, so did they really expect to make such a request and not have it become public? Why make the request on behalf of one victim but not the others? I feel like there's a motive here we haven't discussed yet.


No doubt she wouldn't think of all that on her own but I also have no doubt these victims are mortified by their abuse becoming public.


I'm not about to read that but why can't a baby crawl off a blanket? Is that a SIN? Despicable and guess what , Duggars? You want to know who Jesus loves more than your fake butts? Babies !!!!!!! Countless verses about Christ loving children and you're beating them for crawling off a blanket........... shame on you !!!!!!!!!


I recall a commenter with a small baby, on a site about blanket training, saying, "I can't wait to start this. I'll be able to watch the game this Sunday in peace!"




This post omitted quite a bit from how it works. First of all, the Duggars have been quite smart not to include the more unsavory parts of child training from their statements. But just google To Train Up a Child by the Pearls, which the Duggars follow and have promoted for years, and you'll see.


Second, for some reason the main part of blanket training Duggar style per their books was left out. Happily, those of us who've researched the Duggars are not making allegations without being able to support them.

Importantly, the benign quote posted here is from after their first book. This was after they received backlash from describing blanket training in their first book, which included placing a baby on a blanket, with toys, and then "tapping" the edges of the blanket with a spoon or something. When the baby crawls off the blanket, Michelle would "correct" the baby and place it back on the blanket.

Michelle describes leaving the baby and hiding around the corner, peeking. When the baby climbs off the blanket, she ran quickly back there and "corrected" the baby. She describes training her twin boys. She describes one baby witnessing the other being corrected and thus not moving off the blanket himself because he learned from his twin's "correction".

That's how it actually works.
 
  • #853
Or priming them to stop when she yells at them to stop when they're about to run into traffic, or stop before they put their hand on the hot stove. Kids are supposed to be obedient.

Being "obedient" would also make these children perfect victims. They can't even kick or scream if someone is molesting them, since they are not supposed to behave that way.
 
  • #854
And what she is doing is priming the pump for child molesters to have submissive children to exploit.

Wow , interesting take on it and you're right. Taught from infancy to obey without question any one in authority over you , no matter what, really is setting up kids to never tell what goes on . :(
 
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  • #856
From: 'The Duggars: 20 and Counting!' pgs. 126-129:


"Throughout the day, when I knew I would have five minutes or more of uninterrupted time, I would focus on blanket training, calling out, “Okay, boys! It's blanket time! Oh, isn't this fun? Come pick a toy so we can have blanket time.” Some days we might practice blanket time three or four times; other days we got it in once. But gradually, it became a common practice. The boys learned to spread out their own blankets, then they eagerly chose a special toy to play with.


Gradually, I increased the duration of blanket time, praising them for sitting quietly and playing with their toy on the blanket and correcting them when they tried to get off. If they threw the toy off the blanket, they weren't allowed to get off the blanket to get it back. As a result, they learned not to throw their toys!


As the blanket training continued over several days, I would walk around the corner, out of their sight but still able to peek around and see them. If one of them made a loud noise or got off the blanket, I would come flying in with a stern word and a quick correction. I didn't raise my voice, and I didn't sound angry. But it was obvious that crawling off the blanket or making noise wasn't allowed.


Meanwhile, the other twin, the one who hadn't made the noise or crawled off the blanket, was watching what was happening to his brother and thinking, Ohhh. I don't want that to happen to me, so I'm gonna sit here on my blanket, and play with my toy and be quiet.


There were some rules we had to figure out as we went along. For instance, they had to sit on their blanket. They couldn't stand or kneel or twist themselves into a pretzel shape. Gradually they learned the self-control of sitting quietly, and when they did, I praised them enthusiastically.


The first time I used blanket time in public, I took the boys along to a baby shower and spread out their blankets just inside the next room while I sat near the doorway, watching what was going on at the shower and also keeping an eye on them. The other guests were amazed that two active little boys could sit quietly on their blankets and happily entertain themselves for as long as thirty minutes. I was just as amazed myself! The mom who shared this concept with me said, “It's like having a playpen in your purse!”


This training happened while Jim Bob was serving in the legislature, and it let us enjoy many more uninterrupted adult conversations with each other or with friends, whereas before we were constantly having to turn our attention to a child who was determined to wander off or make noise."

Before TLC signed the Duggars, there were more detailed descriptions of Duggar-style blanket training in a Christian parenting chat room that Michelle Duggar was a part of. She was a part of a guest chat. She explained she didn't start this until the boy twins were born. She explained how she used a flexible ruler on the boys and actually lured them off the blanket with toys and then hit them. The parts describing Michelle Duggar hitting her kids have been edited from saved chats.
 
  • #857
No doubt she wouldn't think of all that on her own but I also have no doubt these victims are mortified by their abuse becoming public.





I recall a commenter with a small baby, on a site about blanket training, saying, "I can't wait to start this. I'll be able to watch the game this Sunday in peace!"





This post omitted quite a bit from how it works. First of all, the Duggars have been quite smart not to include the more unsavory parts of child training from their statements. But just google To Train Up a Child by the Pearls, which the Duggars follow and have promoted for years, and you'll see.


Second, for some reason the main part of blanket training Duggar style per their books was left out of your post. Understand that those of us who've researched the Duggars are not making allegations without being able to support them.

Importantly, the benign quote you posted is from their second book. This was after they received backlash from describing blanket training in their first book, which included placing a baby on a blanket, with toys, and then "tapping" the edges of the blanket with a spoon or something. When the baby crawls off the blanket, Michelle would "correct" the baby and place it back on the blanket.

Michelle describes leaving the baby and hiding around the corner, peeking. When the baby climbs off the blanket, she ran quickly back there and "corrected" the baby. She describes training her twin boys. She describes one baby witnessing the other being corrected and thus not moving off the blanket himself because he learned from his twin's "correction".

That's how it actually works.

I didn't get to watch a game in " PEACE" until my son was old enough to enjoy football , too. But I don't ever remember thinking I was missing out. We just watched the game, tended the kids. Games were not as important as the kids..... call me crazy !
 
  • #858
I just wonder since the kids are home schooled and don't have much interaction with the public without them, what her bad touch, good touch speech is My son knows my talk, as soon as he hears the talk started he can recite for me without me saying anything. I know mom, only the doctor and only if you are dad is in the room. I allowed to kick, punch scream, bite if somebody touches my privates or tries to take me family or not. he knows he is not allowed to touch anybody either even if they tell him its ok. and he is to tell even if they say bad things will happen if you tell, nothing bad will happen to us i promise you have to tell, nobody tells you to keep secrets from us

a few years ago when he was in for his yearly phiscal, the doctor explained i will have to look down there. My son started the speech. I know only doctors are allowed, anybody else so on on so on. and the doctor is the one added to my speech. only if mom and dad are in the room. so i added that to my speech
 
  • #859
This training happened while Jim Bob was serving in the legislature, and it let us enjoy many more uninterrupted adult conversations with each other or with friends, whereas before we were constantly having to turn our attention to a child who was determined to wander off or make noise."

Yeah because as parents we are not supposed to have to pay actual attention to our kids...
 
  • #860
I just checked several sources re:John David and living quarters. I'm not sure they are links I can bring here. They are confusing. Common theme appears that he owns a home and is leasing it out to save money. Perhaps there was a period of time he left the nest. Or not lol

I'm certain he never left home. The Duggars have been trying to arrange a marriage for this guy, IMO, for years. He has a house all set but despite his dad repeatedly trying to set him up per one of the shows, he hasn't yet found the one. Note that in that episode which involved rock climbing with the prospective husbands of jill and Jana, and with Mr. Duggar and John David, John David was described as "expendable" although they joked about it, because he wast married, engaged or courting.

I feel the guy is very shy and socially awkward and overwhelmed by the thought d a wife.

One thing i always wondered had they not had a fairly lucrative income from real estate etc. Would they have had that many children?

Zero doubt: They'd have had them all. There are so many mega families and most are living in abject poverty. And Michelle has described being a willing martyr for the quiverfull cause, willing to die in childbirth. So I'm sure she's be willing to live in poverty with multiple kids.

Seems to have moved up the ranks pretty quickly from leo to constable , eh? Wonder if the family name helped him move that quickly.

He is only a volunteer policeman.
 
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