AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #1

[believe09]

It just gets better and better....not.

Huckabee certainly seems to surround himself with people who have a certain viewpoint when it comes to children.

 

[believe09]

Did you guys see this one?

When JimBob was running for office in 2002, he stated as part of his platform that rape and INCEST should be capital crimes.

LINK HERE

 

[believe09]

But not when it is perpetrated by his kin....just when it is perpetrated by someone elses kin. Got it.

 

[bexlex]

Tug the threads and see what you see everyone...no one can possibly believe that there arent some common predilections between all of these folks.

I know you are speaking within TOS.....but who else are we looking at? Only Arkansas people? People in government in Arkansas that have their own threads here??? Just trying to piece together the above!:loveyou:

 

[RJA00]

I don't have a problem with her parenting in that segment. She was trying to teach Josie to be patient and take turns. I'm more worried about what happens behind closed doors. But I actually think their parenting became less harsh over the years. Little hints suggest that.

I sure hope that's the case.

My older sisters say mom and dad let me get by with more than they did, but my parents say they raised us the same. that probably something all older sibling say ?

although i do believe my oldest 2 sister had a lot more freedom than me. I grew up around where the Lyons girls went missing so there was big changes in our family, we were not allowed out of the front yard anymore, not allowed to walk to school etc etc. to this day if the grand kids are there and want to walk to the store she will say no, they will say nothing will happen. she will say im sure the lyons girsl mother thought that too.

 

[bexlex]

It's sickening , whatever it is. I'm about sick to death of these ' Christians' who give all the rest of us a bad name. It's hard enough to be a Christian in this society without everyone in the world labeling us as crazy because of people like this. So from a Christian who does not beat their infants with spoons, does not apologize and protect pedophiles , has very good friends who are homosexual, has very good friends who are other religions and even atheists , please hear me, we are not ALL insane. Some of us are regular people ! Please don't think the Duggars are an indication of how American Christians live ! To the Duggars, stay off the TV and get your house in order, actual order !

Alright!!! Makes me feel good to know you are probably a majority!!!! :loveyou:

 

[Marah]

Can anyone tell me how often he abused the girls? Do we have a number like 10 times each or???? Do we know if it was over clothes or under clothes? Do we know how long this lasted?? I am reading conflicting info. Thanks!

 

[SCHMAE]

Did you guys see this one?

When JimBob was running for office in 2002, he stated as part of his platform that rape and INCEST should be capital crimes.

LINK HERE

Wow, nice find.

 

[Morag]

I notice upthread that there are various examples given as to warning/educating kids about not letting people touch them in bad ways. I wonder if parents also warn the kids about other kids? Since 'playing doctor' is so common, perhaps kids think only adults are threats to them- and not their friendly neighborhood big brother or their actual big brother.

 

[JerseyGirl]

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[kimi_SFC]

It's sickening , whatever it is. I'm about sick to death of these ' Christians' who give all the rest of us a bad name. It's hard enough to be a Christian in this society without everyone in the world labeling us as crazy because of people like this. So from a Christian who does not beat their infants with spoons, does not apologize and protect pedophiles , has very good friends who are homosexual, has very good friends who are other religions and even atheists , please hear me, we are not ALL insane. Some of us are regular people ! Please don't think the Duggars are an indication of how American Christians live ! To the Duggars, stay off the TV and get your house in order, actual order !

A huge Amen and God Bless you for this post SCHMAE!
:loveyou:


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[K_Z]

Did you guys see this one?

When JimBob was running for office in 2002, he stated as part of his platform that rape and INCEST should be capital crimes.

LINK HERE

I sincerely doubt that Jim Bob or Josh Duggar would define "incest" as what Josh has admitted to doing.

Typically (IMO) incest discussed in the same context with abortion and pregnancy means committing intercourse with a sibling/ family member. I doubt that fondling would be considered as incest by them, so it's easier to forgive and explain away as a "mistake" and "wrongdoing". (And no risk of pregnancy with prepubescent females, right?)

Unwanted stalking and fondling of sleeping siblings = a "mistake" and "wrongdoing", but does not = incest. Just garden variety family molestation, but not that evil incest thing. Besides, they were probably provocatively unconscious, and defrauding. Right?

Nothing to see here. Take the opportunity to forgive, and move along. <sarc>

 

[meanmaryjean]

Did you guys see this one?

When JimBob was running for office in 2002, he stated as part of his platform that rape and INCEST should be capital crimes.

LINK HERE

In my best Dana Carvey voice: "Well, isn't that SPECIAL?"

 

[Hiandmighty]

M

Whoa. That's crazy what happened in your neighborhood. I think that when it gets to the point that a minor is simulating a very specific adult sex act, it's clear they have likely been exposed at some point. The fact that this child was bribing others to engage in the act is a huge red flag as well. I suspect that kid was abused himself.

As to your question, it is a good one. I hadn't really thought about it. The decision to prosecute a case is made by the state on an individual basis, so it is definitely possible that he may have been diverted to treatment instead of the criminal justice system.



Yes, kids are supposed to be obedient, but not blindly. Teaching blind obedience robs children of their critical thinking skills and can be dangerous. It specifically can lead to children "obeying" dangerous adults and teens and can even be fatal. The Duggar parenting model crushes independent thought and creates the perfect victim:

Children most susceptible to sexual abuse have obedient, compliant and respectful personalities.
https://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the...-Child-Sexual-Abuse.aspx#sthash.B957RYqV.dpuf


Preventing Sexual Abuse

If a child taught what's "okay" and what's "not okay" and they are self-confident, they are less apt to fall victim to the wiles of a sexual predator and more likely to report an incident should one occur. Several steps can be taken to protect your child from sexual abuse. Educate your children about their bodies, and what constitutes sexual abuse.

* Telling children that "if someone tries to touch your body and do things that make you feel funny, say NO to that person and tell me right away"
* Teaching children that respect does not mean blind obedience to adults and to authority, for example, don't tell children to, "Always do everything the teacher or baby-sitter tells you to do"
* Encouraging professional prevention programs in your local school system
http://www.loveourchildrenusa.org/sexualabuse.php


Blind obedience which flattens the decision making ability of individuals by demanding an authoritarian submission to the stringent rules, legalism, and pressures of a group or leader create the conditions that are the same as those who produced the Nazi Holocaust. Rather than fostering the growing discernment of the individual and by teaching moral codes such as Christian principle to inform that discernment, cultures of blind obedience punish and crush liberty and independent choice which God even offered individuals under the Old Covenant (Joshua 24:15). On a personal level, Bradshaw who speaks from experience notes that if we do not do our own personal moral work as we grow into adulthood, we run the risk of falling into rigid black-and -white thinking, an immature understanding that polarizes the perception of right and wrong. Vyckie Garrison notes aspects of this through the patterns of extremes followed in the Quiverfull Movement, and in terms of development, psychological splitting describes this primitive way of perceiving the world.

The Quiverfull/Patriarchy Movement (QF/P) offers all sorts of formulas which drive its culture of obedience and requires followers to develop an external locus of control by thriving on comparison and merging one's identity with the group. (Please read more about the Locus of Control at Overcoming Botkin Syndrome.) The Holy Spirit guides a Believer in liberty (Romans 8:1-7, Hebrews 10:16-18), and with ethics informed by the Word, and the Chrsitian does the daily, hard work of discernment when faced with life's dilemmas. In contrast, the culture of obedience creates some idealistic promise that offers some benefit to people for selling out to the &#8220;greater good,&#8221; promising to alleviate followers of the stress of decision-making with ready-made, foolproof formulas for success. Just like Adolf Hitler offered a convenient solution to the &#8220;Jewish problem&#8221; and the struggles of a shamed German people following WWI, child training experts like Pearl, Ezzo (Babywise), and even Bill Gothard promise fool-proof formulas that solve the problems and pitfalls of parenting. Bradshaw states that &#8220;blind obedience requires no real intelligence&#8221; (pg 228). http://undermuchgrace.blogspot.com/2011/04/why-good-people-make-dangerous-choices_8699.html

Without even looking, I'm going to say Gavin DeBecker likely says the same thing: blind obedience is a lead into sexual abuse victim

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Interesting that so many of these 'teachings' are perfect for creating silent victims, and that so many of the leaders are found to have engaged in sexual molestation of children.

 

[graysmama]

What is sad to me right now is the people I know who are defending the duggars and blaming the media. I have one family member saying the media should leave them alone. To me Jim Bob and Michelle earned being ripped apart in the media like this by putting their family on display. I feel like some people are giving this family a pass for being a Christian family. One woman I am friends with was attacking Bruce Jenner for being an abomination recently and now she is staunchly defending Jim Bob and Michelle because they are "good Christians".

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[believe09]

There is no leaving them alone-they chose this path. They could have dealt with these crimes out of the spotlight. For some unknown reason they chose to shine a brighter light on themselves. They knew they had been found out, thanks to the Oprah show debacle. They chose to hold themselves up.

OK-they wanted people to see their way and see their beliefs and they wanted to proselytize. Mission accomplished-we see you for who you are, we get where your heart is at and we absolutely understand all that you represent.

There is no whitewashing here. You cant try and force that genie back into the bottle by requesting that the records be destroyed.

IF you practiced what you PREACHED you would have left the records in tact.

Again, no follow through here. Do as I say, not as I do. Incest is a crime, but not Josh's kind of incest.

It isnt enough to say that all of this brought you closer to God. God hates a coward, Jim Bob, and that description fits you to a T. If you were truly a man and a parent, you would have forgiven your son while dialing 911.

Dont even start me on Michelle.

 

[SCHMAE]

Interesting that so many of these 'teachings' are perfect for creating silent victims, and that so many of the leaders are found to have engaged in sexual molestation of children.

Add in ' respect your elders' no matter what and you've got a recipe for disaster.

 

[charminglane]

http://m.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/...rt-hester-covering-madly-for-ally-the-duggars

Senator Hester, who has called for the police chief to be fired for releasing the redacted report, has accepted campaign contributions in the past from Jim Bob and Josh Duggar, btw.

http://www.followthemoney.org/show-me?f-core=1&law-eid=10886643#[{1|gro=f-eid{1|gro=d-eid

Hester Prynne????!

 

[RJA00]

What is sad to me right now is the people I know who are defending the duggars and blaming the media. I have one family member saying the media should leave them alone. To me Jim Bob and Michelle earned being ripped apart in the media like this by putting their family on display. I feel like some people are giving this family a pass for being a Christian family. One woman I am friends with was attacking Bruce Jenner for being an abomination recently and now she is staunchly defending Jim Bob and Michelle because they are "good Christians".

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I agree with your family member, since there was no way to hide the victims identity. The press should of never released the report. it 100 percent wrong, but this society will treat those girls different. ( what is the saying abuse repeats its self down the line) I, myself do not believe that. I think it was wrong to release it, now that the victims are over age and no way to completely hide who they were. I feel it hurt the victims more than helping them. If the victims wanted to tell there story, that is one thing, but nobody had a right to release that information at this time. the girls are guilty of nothing. the parents handled the situation wrong back than but the victims should not have to relive it.