AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #1

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  • #901
How many more girls were born to the family since this ' incident' ? I mean at that time, there were 5 girls younger than Josh himself, but how about the younger girls born since? What's to say they are not also victims , just because he doesn't live there any more?
 
  • #902
How many more girls were born to the family since this ' incident' ? I mean at that time, there were 5 girls younger than Josh himself, but how about the younger girls born since? What's to say they are not also victims , just because he doesn't live there any more?

4. The last 4 children born were girls. Currently ages 5,6,7,9. Of course, Josh himself has a a 5-6 year old girl and one on the way.
 
  • #903
In general I think the idea of putting more reality to reality TV would be great, but honestly, if they created such a show I'm willing to bet there'd be very little reality in it.

Rather, we'd see a carefully scripted PR opportunity where everybody would be doing their damnedest to convince the world that sexual abuse is no big deal when it happens in a lovely family like the Duggars because forgiveness, because family values, because Christian parenting.... Of course we dealt with it very seriously at the time, or are pretending that we have, but incest brings everyone closer to God and we have learned such a lot, and see, everyone is side hugging and smiling so we're okay now.

It would aim at rehabilitating Josh, Michelle and Jim Bob's public image and end up being exploitative of the victims and the younger children

I heart you. 😝
 
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Just watching ID channel and a crazy show came on about another IFB family. I doubt if any link I have would be ok here but google ''Joe and Evangeline Combs''. I was just watching this thinking how sick they were and went to google more info and the IFB part struck me.
 
  • #906
Thank you for your kind words. I read them and believe that they are true. I just struggle very badly nowadays with abuse that happened years ago. I guess what I'm saying is my abuse was never dealt with properly and I doubt the duggars was. I was blamed for my abuse and these poor girls probably were too. My parents covered up and protected my abuser but not me and it seems that's what happened to the duggar girls as well.

I suppose I am worried that while the duggar girls seem fine and content (for the most part obviously we only know what we see on tv) that later in life it may hit them in a way that is so damaging they could end up in emergency crisis. Like I did. Its like one day you're cruising down the road of life and everything is fine in your world and then suddenly BAM your world is turned upside down over something that happened years ago when you were a child and you begin to suffer horribly mentally. That's what happened to me anyway.

Maybe my mind isn't destroyed as you say, but it FEELS like it is as the effects of the trauma are sinking in and wreaking havoc in my brain. Song22 also said she suffered a crisis due to dealing with her childhood abuse recently. When I was hospitalized the last time, one of the doctors told me "I can't tell you how many people we get in here (the psychiatric hospital) in their 30's and 40's who are just beginning to deal with their child abuse." So, I think it may be a semi common thing (I don't know how common, but enough for this doctor to notice it)

People seem to be doing ok in life and suddenly years later in adulthood they start suffering mentally from childhood abuse. If you would have asked me 4 or 5 years ago if I thought my child abuse was gonna have any negative effects on me in the future I would have said "No, because it would have already effected me by now and it hasn't. I'm fine." I never would have imagined I would end up hospitalized.

I believe this probably comes from the abuse not being properly dealt with at the time. If I would have gotten professional help as a child after being abused and then protected from my abuser afterwards, I probably wouldn't have these problems now. I just worry the duggar girls seem ok, but in 10 or 20 years could be spiraling out of control suffering the effects of their abuse that they weren't able to process or deal with earlier in life because they were never provided the proper treatment and protection.

Dear poppyfrock, OF COURSE once you start dealing with the reality of the abuse it takes a terrible toll. A lot of us went through a delayed crisis; and--although, as I've said before on many of these threads, I'm not as brave as some of you--I *do* know what it is to fully realize the toll taken decades after the fact. Someone else mentioned re-connecting and nurturing your little girl inside--that was a very helpful therapy for me. I bought her the teddy bear of her dreams, named it her protector and slept with it for several years until she/I felt safe enough to put it away (not too far, but away.) I did all this when (I'm guessing, I was around your age, or at least in the realm of 'what is THIS, I dealt with this YEARS ago, why is it a problem now??) and as best as I could figure out it was because I finally felt safe/strong enough to look back and really see. And I am not meaning to ignore anyone else, including Song22 who courageously shared their own story, but it really resonated when you said you felt broken. Because I went through those same feelings and a crisis I never expected and I realized afterwards it wasn't a sign of being broken, it was a triumphant reunification, if that makes sense.

Much love to all who need it, and healing to the Duggar girls and any who have been there.
 
  • #907
Does Michelle actually like having all those kids? It must be fun getting pregnant and all the "wow, 14, 15, 16, 17 kids, how do you cope, you must be a supermom..." stuff she's been hearing. But then once the babies are weaned she picks somebody else to be their buddy and the blanket thingy sounds like something you'd do when you dislike watching your kids being kids.

In one video the kids were having a dispute over a ball and she told the youngest, "the world doesn't revolve around Josie" using her soft voice but saying that to a toddler sounded kind of snarky and mean somehow, irritated. The kids were just being kids and wanted to play with a ball.

If I was Josie I would have smacked her in the mouth lol


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  • #908
I agree with your family member, since there was no way to hide the victims identity. The press should of never released the report. it 100 percent wrong, but this society will treat those girls different. ( what is the saying abuse repeats its self down the line) I, myself do not believe that. I think it was wrong to release it, now that the victims are over age and no way to completely hide who they were. I feel it hurt the victims more than helping them. If the victims wanted to tell there story, that is one thing, but nobody had a right to release that information at this time. the girls are guilty of nothing. the parents handled the situation wrong back than but the victims should not have to relive it.

You make good points. However, the effect of hiding the dirty secret of child sexual abuse/incest in the home, especially in extremely sexually repressive and patriarchal societies is more abuse.

Uncovering the the truth behind the facade opens up the subject for discussion in churches, families and communities everywhere. It helps people realize that "keeping sweet" only hides reality, that no one is perfect, no matter how pious they may seem, that there is dangerous folly in certain practices and that if uncle or brother or father or pastor is doing something uncomfortable to you, you have the right to say no and tell without getting in trouble.

Further, the victims themselves might now be receiving a new message due to the publicity that they might internalize- that what happened was not their faults and never could be.

Finally, this also has the effect of illustrating the hypocrisy and immorality of trying to deny whole sectors of the population equal rights based on principles that have been twisted by those who cannot even adhere to them themselves.

I agree that this coming out now likely serves to revictimize the girls to some degree but the cost of it not being brought to light is too great.

Can anyone tell me how often he abused the girls? Do we have a number like 10 times each or???? Do we know if it was over clothes or under clothes? Do we know how long this lasted?? I am reading conflicting info. Thanks!

I feel creepy about this question for some reason. The police report has all the details.
 
  • #909
From: 'The Duggars: 20 and Counting!' pgs. 126-129:

Sbm:

Before TLC signed the Duggars, there were more detailed descriptions of Duggar-style blanket training in a Christian parenting chat room that Michelle Duggar was a part of. She was a part of a guest chat. She explained she didn't start this until the boy twins were born. She explained how she used a flexible ruler on the boys and actually lured them off the blanket with toys and then hit them. The parts describing Michelle Duggar hitting her kids have been edited from saved chats.[/QUOTE]



I'm absolutely speechlessness! How flippin cruel - this totally infuriates me.......how freakin mean. I could never treat my child this way! These people make me so sick.

I get the idea of teaching kids self control but Geez......to lure the poor kid off a blanket and then punish him with a ruler for being lured? I don't care whether it was a flexible ruler or not. Wtf?
 
  • #910
I've never watched this show and am learning so much about these people. They are so unworthy of these children and my heart breaks for these poor kids.

I guess this whole situation just reminds me of how myself and my brothers were raised and it doesn't bring back pleasant memories to say the least.

I have few memories from the age of 5 (when I was sexually abused) up until approx the age of 17. All those years are just wiped from my memory due to PTSD but I guess that's probably a blessing in many ways as we were treated badly by disfunctional parents, so the less I remember the better I suppose. I Won't go into details as I'm not as brave as so many of you who have shared your stories here.....my hat is off to all of you and my prayers are with each and every one of you!

Anyway here's another article about the Duggars from the Daily Mail:


"Bob and Michelle Duggar use 'rod to spank all their kids according to unsealed police report'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-unsealed-police-report.html#ixzz3bKAeosgd
 
  • #911
Piers Morgan:

Now, I’m used to shameless hypocrisy from ultra-right Conservatives, particularly those who love to preach to the rest of this about what perfect little goody-goodys they are.

But this lot take the proverbial altar bread.

A family that knows one of their own members is a repeated sexual predator who preyed on girls in his home, yet allows him to co-star in a TV show extolling the sanctimonious virtues of family morality.

Last August, Michelle publicly stated her horror that transgender people could use whichever bathroom they felt most comfortable in.

‘I don’t believe citizens would want males with past child predator convictions that claim they are female to have a legal right to enter private areas reserved for women and girls,’ she raged.

What she failed to say, of course, was that her own son was a multiple sex predator.

You literally couldn’t make it up.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-repulsive-pious-hypocrisy.html#ixzz3bKkCnq2F
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Between Bill Cosby, Jian Ghomeshi, Rolf Harris, Jimmy Savile, Terry Richardson, Woody Allen, like half the British government or something, and, most recently, American schlock TV star Josh Duggar, one might say that it has been a rough couple of years for famous men accused of sexual impropriety. The hammer’s really coming down. Tough break, gentlemen.

Or not. Actually, I believe the word you’re looking for is “fantastic”. Fantastic break, gentlemen.
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...uggar-allegations-famous-men-benefit-of-doubt


Commenting on the defenders:
It strains imagination to wonder where these supposed pillars of morality actually draw the line. (A transgender person going to the bathroom, I guess.)

What’s frightening is that we’re so accustomed to giving powerful, famous men the benefit of the doubt that, on a cultural level, we treat men’s reputations with the same reverence as victims’ safety. “Sure, it’s important to protect the vulnerable and sexually traumatised or whatever, but what about that nice man’s TV show? He worked really hard for that! You can’t just take away a man’s stuff!”

The result is a system in which victims often find themselves on trial in their own rape proceedings; a culture in which silence is incentivised and speaking out is often punished; a world in which we have ample vocabulary for comforting the accused (“I’m waiting to hear all the facts,” “we can’t jump to conclusions,” “who can even make sense of consent these days?”) but precious little for victims (when’s the last time you heard a simple, unqualified “I believe you” outside of the feminist blogosphere?).

This article is very much to the point.

This writer puts in words exactly what bothers me about Josh Duggar's apology:

Jesus is quick to forgive, but Josh Duggar’s apology is still disturbing
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...but-josh-duggars-apology-is-still-disturbing/


That’s more than 20 personal references and only two passing nods to his victims and the harm he inflicted. What’s more, he blunts the second reference. In the first he mentions people he “hurt,” but the second only mentions “those affected by my actions.”

And it gets even worse at the end because Duggar plays the Jesus card. He asked Christ for pardon, he says, and we should all know that he’s grateful for the forgiveness.

It’s impossible to escape the idea that the entire focus of Josh Duggar’s statement is Josh Duggar being okay with Josh Duggar. As if anyone cares about that.

This seems like a wider issue. Public apologies very often feature people saying they accept full responsibility without actually accepting any. And the religious version of this is particularly irksome because the offender doesn’t really feign any acceptance of responsibility. Jesus already has it covered, and the rest of us better not judge.
 
  • #912
Someone should do a study to see if there are more sex offenders amongst these sanctimonious goody goody types than the general population .. I have a feeling there would be.
 
  • #913
It'd be a good smokescreen for anyone with the tendencies... So-and-so can't be a bad guy because he talks about God so much... Bill Cosby cares so much for our black kids' education, he can't be a rapist... Oh I can't believe it because What'shisname defends the same moral values I do...
 
  • #914
Raised in a fairly liberal Protestant denomination (I can't bring myself to use the term Christian because it gives a different meaning now-a-days.), I was taught about forgiveness. One thing that was never fully discussed was the timeline. I was always truly forgiving on minor things that happened in my life. However, the more egregious things took a very long time to truly feel forgiveness in my heart. For the most part, they were a series of events, occurring over years by those closest to me.

These harmful things led to a virtual separation from them emotionally and I lived many years in a strange isolation from these loved ones. This led to counseling after 50. After 7 years, it took another couple of years to decide that I no longer needed to carry the burden of bad feelings towards those I truly did love. Then, with all my heart, I addressed them all one dark night, in my prayers since they were all but one deceased. I told them what they had done to me and that I now understood what made them do it. I also thanked my grandmother, who was my only protector. I had such a burden lifted knowing I was sincere. I hope that wherever they are, they have thanked me.

By the time I forgave, I understood what had happened in my childhood. My abuse was strictly verbal and I was a good listener! I took it all to heart that everything was my fault. To this day, "I'm sorry." is always on the tip of my tongue, since I went on so long believing that anything bad that happened was my fault. But, I rarely say it, because I know that it's not my fault at all.

I just don't understand the I'm sorry, you're forgiven bit. They are words only, they are not what is in the heart. I hope Josh Duggar's victims truly forgave. If not, they will, as I did, go on for a very long time not understanding why they feel so bad.
 
  • #915
Anybody who got into a cult leader/political power figure/church leader/priest sort of position would be somewhat protected from getting caught I think, more than a regular joe, for several reasons.

Because the status gives them a kind of halo effect and people just won't believe it because he's a bishop or has a TV program where he talks about God or he's such an important man in our political campaign and everybody LIKES him and how could he be in such a position if he was a jerk.

The status might also give them more access to people that they can abuse, people who want to be mentored, vulnerable people looking for counseling, people who work for them in subordinate/subservient positions....

The power differential between the abuser and the abused and the fear of consequences (getting fired, financial consequences, being ostracized by the community etc.) might persuade victims to keep silent.

If there's something cultish going on they can brainwash people into staying silent because Supreme Being says it's all your fault or being submissive while getting raped by Our Holy Leader will help you get to heaven or something. If the person's got the gods on his side how can anyone rise against him?

More subtly people with power can influence the culture of the community so that speaking up is not encouraged. "Ha, ha, did you hear about the silly claims about Cosby... it's clear that if anything happened the women would have come forward years ago..."

Or say, if you're all busy campaigning for Terribly Important Political/Moral/Religious Cause X and Mr CannotKeepHisHandsToHimself is the leading figure in it, you might be reluctant to expose him because the resulting scandal would hurt the campaign for whatever you guys all believe in.

And then if you get exposed as a molester you can always write it off as, "the liberal media/the conservative media/ the devil/whoever is your enemy du jour are trying to besmirch my good name because I'm working for causes that they're against", and some people will believe you.
 
  • #916
Anybody who got into a cult leader/political power figure/church leader/priest sort of position would be somewhat protected from getting caught I think, more than a regular joe, for several reasons.

Because the status gives them a kind of halo effect and people just won't believe it because he's a bishop or has a TV program where he talks about God or he's such an important man in our political campaign and everybody LIKES him and how could he be in such a position if he was a jerk.

The status might also give them more access to people that they can abuse, people who want to be mentored, vulnerable people looking for counseling, people who work for them in subordinate/subservient positions....

The power differential between the abuser and the abused and the fear of consequences (getting fired, financial consequences, being ostracized by the community etc.) might persuade victims to keep silent.

If there's something cultish going on they can brainwash people into staying silent because Supreme Being says it's all your fault or being submissive while getting raped by Our Holy Leader will help you get to heaven or something. If the person's got the gods on his side how can anyone rise against him?

More subtly people with power can influence the culture of the community so that speaking up is not encouraged. "Ha, ha, did you hear about the silly claims about Cosby... it's clear that if anything happened the women would have come forward years ago..."

Or say, if you're all busy campaigning for Terribly Important Political/Moral/Religious Cause X and Mr CannotKeepHisHandsToHimself is the leading figure in it, you might be reluctant to expose him because the resulting scandal would hurt the campaign for whatever you guys all believe in.

And then if you get exposed as a molester you can always write it off as, "the liberal media/the conservative media/ the devil/whoever is your enemy du jour are trying to besmirch my good name because I'm working for causes that they're against", and some people will believe you.

Most excellent post !!!!!
 
  • #917
I really appreciate all the kind words of support and encouragement on this thread. There are some really kind people on websleuths and I recognize many of you on this thread in particular, so I felt like it was a relatively safe space to share my story. Hugs and support to everyone who has shared similar experiences. Like others have mentioned, I also found therapy about parenting the inner child very healing--and channeling a lot of energy into being the best mom I could be to my own kiddos and ending the cycle of abuse with me gave me a strong sense of purpose. Anyway, thank you!!
 
  • #918
Josh Duggar sued Arkansas Department of Human Services in 2007 over investigation into molestation allegations: report

Josh Duggar sued the Arkansas Department of Human Services several months after the police closed their 2006 investigation because the statute of limitations had run out, In Touch Weekly reports.

The publication reports that after the Springdale, Ark., police department ended its probe into allegations that 14-year-old Duggar had molested five girls (including possibly his sisters) in 2002, police referred the issue to the Families in Need of Services agency, which looks into cases involving minors.

The Department of Human Services was also brought into case, the publication reports. Nine months after the two agencies looked into the matter, Duggar sued the Department of Human Services, with the trial taking place August 6, 2007.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...cy-molestation-probe-report-article-1.2237112
 
  • #919
The results of the investigation into the Duggars and Josh’s trial are sealed. But a source familiar with the Duggar investigation told In Touch it was likely that Josh “appealed the DHS decision or finding from their investigation.” The source notes that DHS had the authority to apply “restrictions or stipulations about him being at home with the victims.

RELATED: Josh Duggar’s Youngest Molestation Victim May Have Been As Young As 5-Years-Old

“Josh would be considered an in-home offender, giving DHS the authority to do an investigation. As part of your appeal rights you can request a DHS hearing to challenge what they found and their ruling.”

The Duggars are refusing to comment on the intervention by either department and Josh’s trial against DHS. They also are refusing to say if their family was monitored by a state agency after the 2007 actions and forced to undergo counseling by a licensed mental health professional.

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/...e-arkansas-department-of-human-services-59201
 
  • #920
Thinking out loud....

I can recall so many separate instances that happened when I was young.

I had a friend whose house I spent the night at. She had a brother or step brother who would sneak in the room at night and "attempt" to feel under the covers. I remember telling her about it, but no one else. Her response was "oh yeah, he does that to me all the time."

I don't know why I didn't tell anyone about all the different things that happened. I don't recall back then ever having any discussions at home or school on the topic. This is why I advocate so much for education on sexual assault. A clear message needs to be sent on consequences for actions. Everyone needs to be educated on the appropriate way to respond to victims. Victims should not feel shame for crimes committed against them. Although we are making progress, there is still a great deal of victim shaming in our society. This needs to be eliminated and the only way to do so is to continue to speak out and educate.

I wonder now about the reasons I may not have told anyone....

- Afraid I wouldn't be believed?
- I was embarrassed and felt shame (ever though I shouldn't have) because of the nature of the crime?
- I wanted to still be able to do things with friends. Home life was not pleasant at all and I wanted to any escape from that?
- I didn't want the other person to get in trouble?

I can only speak for myself, but I imagine many others have suffered in silence for some or the reasons that I listed above and more that I didn't include.

The "I didn't want the other person to get in trouble" reason that I noted makes me ponder quite a bit. If the offender is a family member, a trusted family friend and/or has a leadership role that others look up to, there are a lot of mixed emotions that a victim could feel for not coming forward. If you do tell and it is not handled properly, then what are the chances of speaking up in the future if it happens again?

I blocked out things for many years and didn't start the healing process until I was in my 40's. I still don't remember a lot of details. I can't turn back time and change anything, I just have to try and continue to move forward, but I do wonder how different my life would have been, had I received proper counseling at a younger age.

We as a society cannot bury or try to minimize these topics, when they are brought up for discussion. We have to progress. No one should have to suffer in silence.

Perpetrators must be dealt with immediately. Victims of all types of trauma, must receive good response and treatment so they can begin to work through the healing process ASAP, not years later.
 
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