AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #3

[sorrell skye]

Lord, lord, I beseech you, let someone hack into his sites. Amen.

So mote it be. So mote it be. So mote it be.

 

[Friday Fan]

With the topless women of Times Square in the news, I can't help but wonder how the Duggars handled it when they were there.

I would post a pic, but it might be considered inappropriate, so linked instead:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/19/n...ess-women-should-be-regulated-mayor-says.html

(Pretty much OT, but I can't help but wonder what their reaction was. I wonder what Michelle said. Did she blindfold the whole gang?? Did she and Jim Bob preach about these sinful women?? I just can't help but wonder)

 

[gitana1]

Not to mention one of Josh's younger brothers just ended a Courtship. They had/have choices. If i can find the link I'll return with it.
ETA- http://www.people.com/article/josiah-duggar-ends-courtship-marjorie-jackson

Yeah. It is unlikely that Josiah ended that courtship. More
like Marjorie's parents ended that courtship. They thought they were marrying their daughter into fundamentalist royalty, not into a fallen from grace family who just lost its primary means of support.

 

[sorrell skye]

Oh and let's not forget, Josh's last employment that we know of involved defending "family values" against the gay peril.

I literally cannot find the words to describe how much the depth of hypocrisy disgusts me.

One of the main arguments (by the paranoid extremists) against gay marriage is that they believe it will undermine the sanctity of marriage.

I would like these religionist bigots to explain to me in intelligent language (I won't hold my breath) how a loving, committed marriage between two same-sex partners is a threat to the marriage of a cheating, lying, philandering, hypocritical sexual deviant.

It seems to me that the cheater is the threat and no one else.

 

[LyndyLoo]

With the topless women of Times Square in the news, I can't help but wonder how the Duggars handled it when they were there.

I would post a pic, but it might be considered inappropriate, so linked instead:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/19/n...ess-women-should-be-regulated-mayor-says.html

I am no moralist nor someone preaching end of days stuff..The more I read and visualize I have come to conclusion,..The "free Society ..That America citizens keep yelling about is becoming more like a "Sodom and Gomorrah" replay..It's actually a bible story I remember clearly..the story about a city that had become so aberrant/evil..God directed pure of hearts to LEAVE that City...But then poor Lot's wife turned to look back~~Pillar of Salt ..Tho I think it was more a parable than factual!!


Point is..People for some reason have no respect for rules by their leaders..in fact spend many millions to support extreme positions..YET deny any accountability for behaviours that directly affect those vulnerable..( which as Christian's run against teachings of Jesus) who they declare their Saviour...I't's not ringing true..especially thru Political Reps and Pundits..Huckabee needs to revisit his value system to re-evaluate what comes out of his mouth among a whole boatload of Political high valued /paid for representatives!!


OK..Back to the backbench now..Lies/manipulating/Hypocritical/ Profiteering that Gain $$ thru those lies..Greed then follows!! Always!! And normal Citizen's want folks who only care about their fundings and need for power completely disregarding the WHOLE County IMO
i still can't get out of my head hearing GW saying back in 2001..YOU are either with me or against me comment...What does that mean?? Josh along with the whole brood "Dugger Clan" are going to ask their followers..Yu are with us or against us..Coming soon in your e-mail boxes soon!! Sorry for reflecting back!!

 

[gitana1]

I just can't get out my head that Anna is a victim of being brought brow beaten by such ferverant preachings that "Women" are subservient...meaning their whole lives is about bearing children and serving their ( masters) husbands... Just How can Anna find it possible to fight back against such mentally she was indoctrinated to?? She is thankful for her babies..BUT her rights as a mother is only IF her husbands gives her the right to do whatever?? :facepalm:

Just watching how those video's of those female children of JimBob and Michelle only gives a glimpse of the controls they endured ..and I'm not even talking about exposure of abuse by bother dearest...BUT They have been controlled +++..

Victims by these types really needs to be addressed..FLDS abuses of young women and yes, even son's too who are expected to do certain things..Oppressive to say the least!!

Yet, I keep hearing the outcry about Sharia Laws?? but these same Extreme Religious Right folks demand behaviour much the same !! Yet many of these "Cult-like" people practice very similar teachings..save the killing..But personal assassinations of anyone means they cannot function in the real society like most democracy advocates seem to wish for.. :gaah:

I'm just so sick and tired of "Holier than thou" types" who preach perfections yet are just as, IF NOT WORSE than the Sinner's they Condemn!! It make me just Shake my Head!!

You make a great point. The attitudes and beliefs of the sect that this family is a part of are no different than the attitudes and beliefs of Muslim extremists. In fact, as I've stated previously, before TLC whitewashed the internet of all references, it used to be fairly easy to find references online to JimBob Duggars political connections with people involved in a Christian dominionist separatist movement whose goal was to create a separate, Christian nation out of a southern state, which would be governed by biblical, Old Testament law. Seriously. Like stoning people for adultery. That kind of thing.

Over the years it became harder for me to find the old articles. I wish I had saved them or printed them out. Now they are impossible to find.

In any event, the sect the Duggars belong to is not much different when it comes to gender roles, patriarchy and beliefs about sex and submission as Hasidic Jews or Wahabi Muslims. The only difference is the careful "packaging" and whitewashing done by TLC to market these people as just like everyone else. They're not. They actually have some intensely radical beliefs.

 

[Boytwnmom]

a way to shift blame. Wives are supposed to control internet access in many of these homes. Plus, the focus on modesty means women who are not modest lead men to "sin". It's not men's fault. It's the women. And Michelle Duggar has made clear she believes a woman is obligated to always be sexually available. This was highlighted during a Today show. So many times it is assumed that the woman has failed to sufficiently make herself available and the poor guy had no choice but to "stray" especially when you add in a addiction.

Anyone can fix him lunch, but only one person can meet that physical need of love that he has, and you always need to be available when he calls.'

http://www.today.com/parents/duggars-7-tips-keeping-your-marriage-sexy-even-after-lot-2D12106530

In my mind this crazy construct is something like men can't help it so they need to only be around modestly dressed women so make sure they can't access as of course it's addicting to those poor easily sexually tempted men and then, once the poor guy is so aroused, if his wife isn't there to satisfy him properly he'll be vulnerable to those worldly, non-modestly dressed women who are harlots that men are helpless to resist. And then, of course, the wife MUST forgive or she is not being holy enough.

Here's a typical biblical woman response to adultery: http://www.familylife.com/articles/topics/marriage/troubled-marriage/infidelity/forgiving-your-spouse-after-adultery

if we don’t truly forgive, we will be stunted individuals going about our lives and becoming more and more embittered. Forgiveness is essential...The Bible doesn’t mince words when it comes to forgiveness. ...But if you do not forgive others their sins, you Father will not forgive your sins.”...Stop nursing your wounds...Sure, I haven’t been unfaithful to my husband physically, but I have committed sins, too...One of the harder parts of forgiveness is that we don’t always feel like forgiving. The problem is that feelings are often misleading and erratic. ...There is great satisfaction in making a choice to do something that your flesh was yelling at you not to do! ..

Obviously no normal person would follow this train of illogical thinking but it's like a dog whistle to the patriarchal extremists like the Duggars. The mixing in of also blurs the issue of adultery as most Christians think viewing is the same thing as adultery. So it leaves unclear what the nature of his "sin" was. Maybe he hopes many will believe he was just looking at .

I alternate between feeling bad for Anna who was raised in this lifestyle and married off to JD when she was 20, and just thinking women too are adults and need to make choices in their adult lives. She enjoyed the fruits of the "condemnation" lifestyle in DC spreading the Family Research Council hate around. Ultimately I only feel really sorry for the children, especially the girls. They have so little opportunity.

And the Duggars were much luckier than most quiverfull families who tend toward poverty, a substandard education and no travel or exposure to other than like minded believers. At least the TV show gave the Duggars a better standard of living, even though they failed to develop any understanding or humility despite being given free trips around the world and exposure to different cultures. They remained very secure and superior in their ignorance although they did improve their hair, makeup and wardrobe and the younger generation reveled in social media where Jessa and Ben like to lecture the heathens. Honestly, they are just such an unlikable bunch.

 

[Lulu14]

It's a good thing he hasn't been in charge of an army - otherwise, he would have ordered Uriah to the battlefront to be killed so he could have Bathsheba to himself.
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But god allowed and forgave David. So he wouldn't be that wrong by Christian standards.

 

[sorrell skye]

If this took place in a society in which males were trained to be subservient, were bombarded everyday of their lives with messages criticizing them for things over which they had no control, were always judged on appearance, were held responsible for the behaviour of those over whom they had no control, were denied educational opportunities, were denied social outlets, were denied access to beliefs other than those of the parental authority figures, were unable to earn a living, were held responsible for the raising of children, were only given sexual contact at the whim or demand of someone over whom they had no control, were limited in their entertainment to books and videos approved of by religious authorities, had no expectation of being supported by any member of their family or community, had no expectation of support from government agencies, had no status outside the sexual role of on-call stud, had no access to money, would lose his children if he left, would lose access to food and shelter if he left, would be shunned by the only community he had ever known if he left, would believe his children and his family would burn in hell forever if he left, would believe he was damned forever if he left, would be unable to support himself because he had no marketable skills or employment history, would feel worthless because he could not hold his family together, if he believed that she had been healed and cured by therapists and was assured by religious authorities that because god said so, she was cured, because he believed that she was made in the image of god and that he should follow her every decree because he was unworthy and could only have god's approval if her every dictate was obeyed to the letter.

The above is the very definition of a cult.

When someone is born into and raised in a cult, they are not taught to critically think nor are they given access to any information/knowledge that may contradict the ideology of the cult into which they were born.

Anna was born into and has been raised in a cult, IMO, as have all the other children who have been born into & raised in the Quiverfull families.

When I think about how difficult it is for women to leave domestic violence situations (even when they have family and a support network) I multiply that by 1000 and I understand how exponentially difficult it is for a woman to leave the Quiverfull community.

My heart breaks for them.

 

[concernedmother]

I think you have to find a way to forgive. Packing around anger, hurt and resentment can cause problems for your mental and physical health. But no where in the bible have I found where you have to let someone do it to you over again. jmo.

 

[Inthedetails]

The above is the very definition of a cult.

When someone is born into and raised in a cult, they are not taught to critically think nor are they given access to any information/knowledge that may contradict the ideology of the cult into which they were born.

Anna was born into and has been raised in a cult, IMO, as have all the other children who have been born into & raised in the Quiverfull families.

When I think about how difficult it is for women to leave domestic violence situations (even when they have family and a support network) I multiply that by 1000 and I understand how exponentially difficult it is for a woman to leave the Quiverfull community.

My heart breaks for them.

Not only is it difficult to leave because of the attitudes, Anna has four young children and no job experience that I'm aware of. The wives are set up to stay.

 

[kai]

Unfortunately, history has proven that the Duggars don't believe in counseling - at least not in the kind of counseling the rest of the intelligent world believes in.

Exactly. In their world it's time for Josh to go help build another barn. Maybe two this time. That ought to cure him.

Grrrr.

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[Friday Fan]

You make a great point. The attitudes and beliefs of the sect that this family is a part of are no different than the attitudes and beliefs of Muslim extremists. In fact, as I've stated previously, before TLC whitewashed the internet of all references, it used to be fairly easy to find references online to JimBob Duggars political connections with people involved in a Christian dominionist separatist movement whose goal was to create a separate, Christian nation out of a southern state, which would be governed by biblical, Old Testament law. Seriously. Like stoning people for adultery. That kind of thing.

Over the years it became harder for me to find the old articles. I wish I had saved them or printed them out. Now they are impossible to find.

In any event, the sect the Duggars belong to is not much different when it comes to gender roles, patriarchy and beliefs about sex and submission as Hasidic Jews or Wahabi Muslims. The only difference is the careful "packaging" and whitewashing done by TLC to market these people as just like everyone else. They're not. They actually have some intensely radical beliefs.

Unlike Muslim extremists these groups are too "mainstream" for my comfort. Jim Bob was in state politics and ran for US Senate. I think groups such as the Family Research Council etc are also involved in whitewashing.

 

[sorrell skye]

Not only is it difficult to leave because of the attitudes, Anna has four young children and no job experience that I'm aware of. The wives are set up to stay.

I know - right?

The girls/women are prohibited from pursuing an education that would lead to gainful employment. They're taught from birth to be dependent upon and subservient to a male (their father and/or their future husband).

Without even vocational training, the women are left with no option but to marry and procreate and to be not only dependent upon, but also subordinate to their husband.

 

[T4Tide]

Here's a typical biblical woman response to adultery: http://www.familylife.com/articles/topics/marriage/troubled-marriage/infidelity/forgiving-your-spouse-after-adultery



Obviously no normal person would follow this train of illogical thinking but it's like a dog whistle to the patriarchal extremists like the Duggars. The mixing in of also blurs the issue of adultery as most Christians think viewing is the same thing as adultery. So it leaves unclear what the nature of his "sin" was. Maybe he hopes many will believe he was just looking at .

snipped by me

Actually, there are lots of logical thinking people who believe God's Word in that it IS our duty to forgive others just as he forgave us. It's in the Lord's Prayer...one of the most commonly known scriptures.

However, forgiveness doesn't mean FORGETNESS. I have forgiven many people who have wronged me, but our relationships changed. Now, depending on the circumstances, I would forgive my husband. Circumstances being he came to me and confessed without being outed, he was sincere, etc. I feel that I would owe it to him and my children to at least try, well...because I pledged "for better or worse." But our relationship would change. If it happened again, we'd probably get a divorce, but I'd still forgive him. Forgiveness means to "stop feeling angry or resentful toward (someone) for an offense, flaw, or mistake." Forgiveness doesn't mean condoning or excusing. A lot of people are confusing forgiveness with just ignoring or excusing someone's behaviors. For my personal benefit, for my children, and because I believe it's part of being a Christian, I would stop feeling angry and resentful towards my husband, but he'd still be my EX-husband. MOO

Also... from another post way far back that I didn't quote:

I just wanted to point out that there could never be a "Christian nation" formed out of a southern state where they stoned people. Christians follow CHRIST, and Jesus never stoned anyone. He forgave them. They would be the characters that Jesus denounced in these verses:

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ Matthew 7:21-23

 

[bluesneakers]

snipped by me

Actually, there are lots of logical thinking people who believe God's Word in that it IS our duty to forgive others just as he forgave us. It's in the Lord's Prayer...one of the most commonly known scriptures.

However, forgiveness doesn't mean FORGETNESS. I have forgiven many people who have wronged me, but our relationships changed. Now, depending on the circumstances, I would forgive my husband. Circumstances being he came to me and confessed without being outed, he was sincere, etc. I feel that I would owe it to him and my children to at least try, well...because I pledged "for better or worse." But our relationship would change. If it happened again, we'd probably get a divorce, but I'd still forgive him. Forgiveness means to "stop feeling angry or resentful toward (someone) for an offense, flaw, or mistake." Forgiveness doesn't mean condoning or excusing. A lot of people are confusing forgiveness with just ignoring or excusing someone's behaviors. For my personal benefit, for my children, and because I believe it's part of being a Christian, I would stop feeling angry and resentful towards my husband, but he'd still be my EX-husband. MOO

Also... from another post way far back that I didn't quote:

I just wanted to point out that there could never be a "Christian nation" formed out of a southern state where they stoned people. Christians follow CHRIST, and Jesus never stoned anyone. He forgave them. They would be the characters that Jesus denounced in these verses:

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ Matthew 7:21-23

But isn't the whole point of Dominionism/Christian Reconstructionism to create a theocracy?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

One of the main arguments (by the paranoid extremists) against gay marriage is that they believe it will undermine the sanctity of marriage.

I would like these religionist bigots to explain to me in intelligent language (I won't hold my breath) how a loving, committed marriage between two same-sex partners is a threat to the marriage of a cheating, lying, philandering, hypocritical sexual deviant.

It seems to me that the cheater is the threat and no one else.

Heck, I'd like an explanation as to how a loving, committed marriage between two same-sex partners is a threat to a loving, committed marriage between two opposite-sex partners.

Back on topic.

I still can't decide what I think about Anna. I've always wondered if she would have been a bit less eager to marry Josh, despite his youthful "errors," had he and his family not been stars on the teevee.

I'm cynical that way though.

 

[Montjoy]

Heck, I'd like an explanation as to how a loving, committed marriage between two same-sex partners is a threat to a loving, committed marriage between two opposite-sex partners.

Back on topic.

I still can't decide what I think about Anna. I've always wondered if she would have been a bit less eager to marry Josh, despite his youthful errors, had he and his family not been stars on the teevee.

I'm cynical that way though.

I think many things about the Duggars justify a healthy level of cynicism. Mind you, from all that I know about the role of women in their cult, I doubt that her wishes or desires really had anything to do with whether or not she was to be betrothed to Josh. Women are chattel to them.

 

[EllieBee]

My great aunt Edna smoked a pack of Camels and drank a fifth of Chivas every day, but I don't think that an anecdote like that should be used to suggest that her habits were healthy or helped with her longevity. Anecdotes aren't evidence, and the evidence is that women who have many children put both themselves and their babies at a greatly increased risk with each subsequent pregnancy. That's pretty much indisputable and everyone who is old enough to post here should know that.

Michelle Duggar was putting herself at risk with her pregnancies (as was her disgusting husband), and if memory serves, she miscarried the last time she announced her pregnancy. (And perhaps that wasn't the first time, either.)

I wanna party with Edna.

 

[sorrell skye]

But isn't the whole point of Dominionism/Christian Reconstructionism to create a theocracy?

If I'm not mistaken, isn't this the end-game of the Quiverfull Movement - to create an "army" for god? If one doesn't intend to overthrow the existing government & create a new government, why the need for a physical army?