AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #3

[wenwe4]

Remember, Michelle wore a cheerleader uniform.

Which caused boys, prepubescent boys with raging hormones, who were a little too interested in girls, to make some very bad mistakes. No one (including Michelle) yelled Nike (stare @ your shoes) so they could avert their gaze from her shapely legs.

 

[Bravo]

Here is a good summary of the laws in Arkansas.

https://www.rainn.org/public-policy/legal-resources/arkansas

My interpretation, is the time period has long past for any type of prosecution.

I should have clarified. I believe Lisa Bloom was speaking to a Civil suit.

 

[wenwe4]

I want to say something here that might make some people feel really uncomfortable, but I think it's important to talk about, because it is another relaity of sexual abuse that is overlooked and not wellunderstood by most people. One of the things that can make sexual abuse so confusing for children is that it isn't always terrifying. Very often, in fact, it feels good. This can cause all kinds of confusing feelings--especially once the child grows older and starts to process what really happened to them and what it all meant.

Sometimes, especially in a chaotic family where mom and dad are kind of absent or distant, the sexual abuse can seem like physical affection. An older trusted brother is showing affection or giving them attention. It may feel good. But maybe the perpetrator says never to tell anyone because they will get in trouble--and then they get the idea that this is something shameful and secret, but they don't know exactly why. These are children--so they know on one level that someone touching their privates is wrong, but they don't know all the reasons why this is so and it's a trusted older brother or other relative and it's not necessarily scary or painful--so it's very confusing.

Once the victim figures out what happened to them--they feel guilty--because maybe it felt good. This can happen with women who are educated and feminist and would never blame the victim--but somehow their little girl brain processes all of this as "consensual" even though a 9 year old doesn't ever consent to a 14 or 15 year old. Think about how messed up that would be in a home like the Duggars, where there's already plenty of blaming the victim talk and "defrauding."

Well put.

Honestly, can we talk about parental lack of supervision? Popping out 19 kids whom you cannot appropriately care for, blame the messenger when the skeletons fall out of your Fibber McGee closet, and expect all will accept feeble excuses and happy sweet life goes on uninterrupted - because all is right with God.

 

[lonetraveler]

The two that were interviewed seemed very spunky and together. I was surprised. I suppose they are more adult like since they have been raising children and educating them since what age?

They, of course, were coached intensely. They are used to the camera.

I have read ablaut movie stars that are actually very shy. And Robin Williams sure did hide his pain.

I cannot believe that children raised by other children can be OK inside. Especially with the ugly discipline.

Maybe if dhildren are such a hassle that you have to silence them and control them from interfering in your life, maybe you should think about having goldfish instead. Or are they too free spirited as well?

As I watched the interview it struck me that these two adult women were very immature and acted like 14 yr olds instead of mature young women. Obstructed development IMO.

 

[human]

As I watched the interview it struck me that these two adult women were very immature and acted like 14 yr olds instead of mature young women. Obstructed development IMO.

Funny!

I am curious as to why you thought they were so immature? I think I am never a good judge of people so I am interested in what you saw.

Posters on here are so good at analyzing. I learn things I would have never thought about

 

[Bravo]

I cant believe I was such an avid watcher and so blind to their teachings. I do like mindless tv now and again to decompress LOL. I truly had no idea as to their belief system other than the benign shown. I will admit when this story broke I was beyond shocked. Hubby not so much. Refused to watch yet respected I did. Always said there is something not right here. Any man and wife who treats a uterus as a clown car has issues. He was not referring to the Children per say but referring to the risks to Mother and Child. That eventually it would pose a medical issue. Which it did with the last baby Josie.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Yet, they are still trying to have more kids. :facepalm: Or at least they were before the scandal broke.

http://www.charismanews.com/culture/49684-watch-jim-bob-and-michelle-duggar-trying-for-baby-no-20

 

[EllieBee]

During the interview with the girls on here there were a few who wondered when the counseling took place b/c of how the question was answered.

"KELLY: For you looking back, with the exclusion of the disclosure of it today, you know, in the recent weeks, what was the most difficult part of it for you?

SEEWALD: You said with the exclusion of today?

KELLY: Yeah.

SEEWALD: I don't think we can exclude today. I mean, definitely it was difficult whenever all this came up, you know, the shock of this happened and then - then talking about it with the family and counseling, I mean, every step was just kind of like difficult to walk through, but I'd definitely say that the.

DILLARD: Now.

SEEWALD: . past two weeks have been a thousand times worse for us."
*http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2015/06/05/exclusive-duggar-sisters-want-to-set-record-straight/

"Whenever all this came up" was that in reference to the molestation or the story breaking. Kind of leaves it open to thinking it may have been recent counseling how she worded it.

Hmm. Is English Megan Kelly's second language? Or maybe she just is not a fan of proper spoken grammar?

 

[EllieBee]

Oh, snap. Megyn Kelly blasts the media for FOIA requesting the police report ... and it turns out Fox filed a request too!

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/...are-still-hiding-after-second-interview-60110

I think Megan Kelly is a biased, self-involved narcissist faux "reporter". Any backlash from this ill-planned debacle is just karma, IMO.

I actually hope she gets burned big time for her nasty, smug, braggadocio regarding her "scoop".

Serves her right for her Duggar stroking.

 

[believe09]

As I watched the interview it struck me that these two adult women were very immature and acted like 14 yr olds instead of mature young women. Obstructed development IMO.

I completely agree.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Yet, they are still trying to have more kids. :facepalm: Or at least they were before the scandal broke.

http://www.charismanews.com/culture/49684-watch-jim-bob-and-michelle-duggar-trying-for-baby-no-20

That's gross, haven't their recent issues with premature births, and one baby that didn't survive make them realize that Michelle's uterus is completely clapped out? She'll be lucky to survive more births and I can't even imagine any more babies making it to full term. Zero chance she's not completely incontinent by this stage too, just eww on top of eww on them 'trying' for more children.

 

[MsMarple]

As I watched the interview it struck me that these two adult women were very immature and acted like 14 yr olds instead of mature young women. Obstructed development IMO.

Same here. I don't watch the show and didn't know their ages. I thought they were much younger and even then they seemed a little emotionally delayed. Of course there's nothing wrong with that - people mature at different times - but it makes me sad that they are carrying the responsibility of birthing babies and running a household when they seem to still be children themselves.

 

[EllieBee]

Holy hell. Michelle is my age. And my one and only kiddo is almost college-aged.

I seriously never thought about having a couple dozen more children. First, because we were not able to have even one more. And secondly because we wanted to be financially responsible for the children we DID have. So our pocketbook could have supported 2-3 more children, with cautious purse strings. But we wanted to make sure we were being responsible and able to raise our kids without handouts.

But to have 19 kids, which you do not plan on providing financial support for, let alone take an active role in parenting, means you are crap parents. You are no better than meth heads who let the state raise their neglected children. Only, see, meth heads don't force older children into involuntary servitude so that they, the parents, can hump away and make more babies.

People who have babies with the expectation that OTHER people will care for the babies are craptastic LOSERS.

 

[Montjoy]

I think it's been mentioned before, but perhaps aside from what Josh has done, IMO, it might be worth keeping in mind that TLC has offered itself as a platform for publicizing this lifestyle and the different beliefs that it espouses. The family is bad enough on its own, but because of TLC, so many people, perhaps some without adequate resources for questioning things, have been exposed to this family, and exposed to this family as if it were exemplary. So I have to wonder, how many more people have been hurt?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Hmmmm.

It turns out the politician's ties to the Duggars may run deeper than just a show of support. According to CNN Money’s Brian Stelter, the Duggar family’s public image crisis is being managed by Chad Gallagher, Huckabee’s longtime political adviser. Gallagher is the founder and principal of Legacy Consulting in Arkansas, and also oversees Huckabee’s political action committee, HUCKPAC, which made the news earlier this year for awarding nearly $400,000 to Huckabee’s own family.

http://www.newsweek.com/huckabees-connections-duggars-run-deep-340667

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Hmmmm.



http://www.newsweek.com/huckabees-connections-duggars-run-deep-340667

Oh interesting, I wonder if the fact Huckabee dumped the Duggars almost immediately following the parents interview on Fox was simply because of the public's reaction to them, OR was it because they went completely off script and messed it up?

ETA: No it seems that Huckabee still affiliates himself with the Duggars, we'll see how long that lasts. I'd suggest that Josh needs to find a new career path however, can't see him going very far in light of this scandal.

 

[concernedmother]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/h...l-be-back-on-campaign-website/article/2565824

Duggar family will be back on campaign website

 

[Doghairrules]

I had someone who was a fundie tell me that abortion should not be allowed even in rape cases because in order for the women to have gotten pregnant during the rape, she MUST have orgasmed, (because dontcha know, the only way to get knocked up is if BOTH people climax) therefore it was not rape because the woman (or 12-year-old) obviously enjoyed it or she would not have had an orgasm or the resulting " blessing".

This was a 30-something-year-old woman with 4 children with whom I worked in a very professional capability.

So, I guess not against the "rulez". Geez, Michelle must have had at least 20 orgasms. Otherwise, she couldn't have gotten pregnant. It's SCIENCE.

Here in nc, we had a legislator who said that. And those same folks don't see the need for sex Ed.


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[SCHMAE]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/h...l-be-back-on-campaign-website/article/2565824

Duggar family will be back on campaign website

Guess he's got money to blow . Political suicide for sure. I guess now the story will be only mean nasty liberals are against Duggars, but republicans are tough on crime. Let's see the spin!

 

[Mrs G Norris]

CNN International covering this case right now, seem to be saying he's unlikely to offend again since there have been no more victims. That we know of, of course. Now discussing FOIA, saying these documents were prohibited from disclosure.