GUILTY AR - Malik Drummond, 2, Searcy, 23 Nov 2014 - #1

[charminglane]

I believe someone came and picked up his body from the house after an"accident."

 

[FindHG]

I believe someone came and picked up his body from the house after an"accident."

It could either be that or lured, possibly? The bath, so ever since my first impression it just sticks out. Could be as innocent as... Malik Drummond's sister said to have pointed toward the screen door (what was the temp that night, taking a bath with only a front screen door?). The focus on the lady in the bath, as reported on MSM. Intense search with canine shortly there after and spreading through the week to anywhere he could have been on his own.

 

[Aeronomy]

Maybe I'm overthinking it but I'm having a hard time thinking about little Malik, if he is gone, being buried too far from the house. IMO, it would have been difficult for the perp (I'm leaning the gf at this point) to bury the body without the help of anyone.

Let's hypothetically say the gf killed Malik or an accident happened and she panicked and covered it up. In order to have buried the body far from the house she would have had to put the other child(ren) in the car (or I guess leave them home alone but then risk the father waking up and seeing Malik and the gf gone) and then drive to wherever, dump the body, drive home, and then stage this elaborate story.

It just doesn't add up. Either the father knew, the gf buried him close to home, or something entirely different happened.

If either of them, gf or the father is involved, I don't think (if Malik is deceased at either of their hands or from negligence)if either of them disposed of his body, that it would be buried. I seriously doubt either of them own a shovel.

If Malik is deceased, the only way I think his dad would know is if it were by his own hands...which due to having lost a child 9 years ago, seems unlikely.

When I think of whether or not the gf could do this alone, I think of Casey Anthony: All it really took was a bag and a place to drop it when it came to disposing a body. Possibly, gf drove a bit further to find a place. Even taking the twin with her wouldn't be too much of a distraction. If dad was asleep, and woke up before she got back all she'd have to do is say she left Malik there with him. How would he know? It would take less than an hour to drive many miles out before returning, and if dad was still asleep as she had hoped he would be when she returned, then she could throw some food on the stove, take a bath to cleanse the sin and, OMG, suddenly notice Malik is missing.


This isn't exactly what I think happened. I don't know what exactly I think happened. It's just my opinion on what I think is possible...

 

[borndem]

Originally Posted by steelman

Why would they be setting up roadblocks if it wasn't believed that someone has possession of this boy ??

It might be a good way to get info from the community without it being obvious who is talking to LE.

I have seen this type "stakeout" done before -- LE will conduct one of these during the time they think the crime occurred with a plus-2-hours-after and a minus-two-hours-before they think the event occurred, for example, near the area/neighborhood it happened. LE will usually have a handout saying whatever is appropriate: "Have you seen Susan?" a picture and a description of victim, and/or with questions like, "Have you noticed any one acting suspiciously in the last week?" etc., "if so, please call the XXPD hotline at --XXXX." The idea is that most of the people who LE sees will live in that neighborhood.

That may have been what they were doing -- they need info -- they don't know much at this point, usually -- and usually it is done very shortly after the event happened. And it starts people thinking...

 

[FindHG]

If either of them, gf or the father is involved, I don't think (if Malik is deceased at either of their hands or from negligence)if either of them disposed of his body, that it would be buried. I seriously doubt either of them own a shovel.

If Malik is deceased, the only way I think his dad would know is if it were by his own hands...which due to having lost a child 9 years ago, seems unlikely.

When I think of whether or not the gf could do this alone, I think of Casey Anthony: All it really took was a bag and a place to drop it when it came to disposing a body. Possibly, gf drove a bit further to find a place. Even taking the twin with her wouldn't be too much of a distraction. If dad was asleep, and woke up before she got back all she'd have to do is say she left Malik there with him. How would he know? It would take less than an hour to drive many miles out before returning, and if dad was still asleep as she had hoped he would be when she returned she could throw some food on the stove, take a bath to cleanse the sin and, OMG, suddenly notice Malik is missing.

Possible, so much left to risk, alone. All kinds of things could have woken the Dad, while she was away, she wouldn't be able to account for that. When she came out to check on dinner, that may have woken him up, I guess. He'd have to have had confirmed that to LE, somehow, for them to have believed his 2 year old son "wandered" off.

 

[Aeronomy]

Possible, so much left to risk, alone. All kinds of things could have woken the Dad, while she was away, she wouldn't be able to account for that. When she came out to check on dinner, that may have woken him up, I guess. He'd have to have had confirmed that to LE, somehow, for them to have believed his 2 year old son "wandered" off.

But if the dad woke and found none of them there, then when she returned without Malik, and he asked where's Malik, she could say I left him here with you . . .

The only iffy part I think would be if dad happened to wake within the few minutes after she returned before she supposedly got into the bath . . . but even then, I don't know why, I just feel like she wouldn't have a problem coming up with something.

 

[FindHG]

But if the dad woke and found none of them there, then when she returned without Malik, and he asked where's Malik, she could say I left him here with you . . .

He must've believed she came out of the bath, then, when he woke up. Asleep in the same room the kids were playing in, sister pointed toward door when he asks, or bath lady asks, then she the sister says nothing worth any major leads to child care center folks, or since?

 

[Aeronomy]

He must've believed she came out of the bath, then, when he woke up. Asleep in the same room the kids were playing in, sister pointed toward door when he asks, or bath lady asks, then she the sister says nothing worth any major leads to child care center folks, or since?

If the sister didn't see anything, then how would she have anything to say about it, you know? It's reported she pointed to the door . . . by the gf before the gf woke dad. A big question for me is, did the sister really point to the door?

 

[borndem]

Child victimization peaks at breakfast, lunch and dinner time.

Yep -- I can remember when my son (only child) was about 2--3 months old -- I would be putting dinner together, my DH would come home to work, and he'd be tired or excited or pizzed at something at work, or we'd be in a rush to get somewhere (not often), etc., etc. Things all day prior to that were quiet & calm, but then, around 5:30pm or so, a critical mass (small one, never a large one, thank you, God) would occur. My son could sense it, and he would get fussy or cry --I had pork chops on the stove, potatoes or broccoli or asparagus in the oven, or such like, and DH wants to relax a bit -- this scenario sounds horrible, I over-painted the picture, but I'm sure it's familiar to many of you...

Anyway, it can be a tense time -- and with several children, I can't imagine it -- kids are hungry, or playing too loudly or arguing, "she hit me first," or one is unhappy & whining or crying, the telephone rings, the TV is too loud, so where do you go first? Yes, that makes sense. So someone hits someone -- or worse (I've fortunately never encountered that in my childhood or my son's) -- and a Horrible Thing occurs, either on purpose or not -- now, what do you do?

Yep, makes a lot of sense.

 

[margarita25]

qmfr:

I really wonder if there have been any signs of anything that could be viewed as potentially abusive/negligent in the past.
If cps had been to the home before, is this something that would have been made public at this time?

And, if there was a history of violence, wouldn't the mom have mentioned this by now? (unless she was afraid? for herself, or the other twin? But then if she was afraid for the other kids, I would think she would report it so they could be removed...)

And if violence had occurred previously, I doubt the father would have custodial rights, unless these incidents occurred after the court's decisions?

Again, this is all hypothetical speculating/brainstorming---not saying anyone is guilty here, just looking at all angles and asking some general questions.

Did the father have custodial rights, visitation, etc.? Sorry to keep questioning on your posts, but you've really got my mind :thinking: this morning. It's something I've been wondering from the get-go.

Were there orders, who had custody, if so, were they going by orders, etc...


Thanks for getting my mind moving this morning Margarita25 - :yourock:

Thanks for catching this...I think I meant to say "visitation" rights, not "custodial" rights (as it said Malik was there for a visitation, as in Dylan's case). Sorry about that! :seeya:

Re: the question about the biowaste disposal business, I could have sworn I saw it on his fb very early in the case and thought he might have later changed it, I could be wrong...will go back and see what I can find and will come back to clarify.

Thanks for the updates everyone!

 

[Sunkist]

One thing I don't think happened is dad helping to cover up something gf did. JMO


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[margarita25]

This image of a statement from the Searcy Chief of Police is taken from a tweet by a reporter (@AlexisKATV). Sorry the quality is so poor, but I can't find another source for it yet.

Here is a portion of the statement:

"At this point in our investigation ... we cannot reasonably believe this child is lost, or hiding waiting to be discovered anywhere near the area he could've traveled on his own. While we are just as committed to finding Malik and the truth behind his disappearance, we've depleted the usefulness of the volunteers to re-search areas that now must be cleared by trained personnel and experts who are focused on the only possible remaining scenarios.

<snip>

As with any active criminal investigation, the details of such cannot be discussed ..."

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"December 1, 2014

Since the start of our search for two (2) year old Malik Drummond, the Searcy Police Department has utilized all available resources to locate a child that had reportedly “wandered off” from his home on West Park Street. As you all know, an alert was immediately sent out through the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) as well as an Amber Alert. Naturally, ...we immediately entertained the possibility of criminal activity being a factor in his disappearance. While the search went on for Malik based on the reported information, Searcy detectives with assistance from state police investigators and FBI agents, conducted a very active investigation under a much larger range of possibilities. This investigation has been kept separate from the very large, around the clock search operation being conducted from the command centers.

That search has included, in addition to law enforcement and other emergency services personnel, hundreds of citizen volunteers, search teams from around the country and representatives from the NCMEC. Multiple K9 teams have also been deployed. From the start our city has attempted to conduct an organized, safe and documented search, spanning several miles in the hopes of finding Malik alive and well.

Our search has included, among other things: all land areas in and around the city, residences (houses and apartments), abandoned houses, buildings, crawl spaces, dumpsters, vehicles, parks, drains/sewers (using cameras from the water department), ponds, creeks, and the local river (Little Red). In addition to resources such as trained K9s, we’ve searched these areas by air with helicopters, divers from the White County Sheriff’s Office and boats from Arkansas Game & Fish. Last night, a full one week after the reported disappearance time, officers conducted a vehicle/pedestrian check point in the neighborhood of Malik’s disappearance. All passing motorists and pedestrians were questioned in the hope that anyone remembered seeing Malik the week before. Nothing related to his reported disappearance was learned.

At this point in our investigation, considering the statistical information provided by the experts from NCMEC, as well as the extensive range of area searched and researched, we cannot reasonably believe this child is lost, or hiding waiting to be discovered anywhere near the area he could’ve traveled on his own. While we are just as committed to finding Malik and the truth behind his disappearance, we’ve depleted the usefulness of volunteers to re-search areas that now must be cleared by trained personnel and experts who are focused on the only possible remaining scenarios.

The Command Center, originally set up at St. Mary’s Episcopal Church and yesterday morning moved to the Searcy Fire Department’s Central Station, is being suspended effective immediately. As new information is learned by investigators, it’s possible the need to re-open the center for volunteers could arise; for the time being, however, the need no longer exists. I can’t stress enough how appreciative we all are for the wonderful outpouring of concern and assistance has been throughout this horrific ordeal.

Our investigation is ongoing as is the search for Malik. This agency will not stop until he is found and the truth is discovered. We’re asking for all citizens to be very clue conscience and report any information learned to us immediately. As with any active criminal investigation, the details of such cannot be discussed and we’re asking for patience and understanding from all people not to cloud our efforts with false leads, rumors and innuendo. To be candid, this is a very serious matter and we’re appealing to everyone’s best nature and sense of responsibility. We’ll continue to provide the most updated information as we can. Thank you all in advance for your cooperation and assistance.

Jeremy Clark
Chief of Police"

:candle:


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Thanks everyone!

 

[margarita25]

I believe someone came and picked up his body from the house after an"accident."

This is an interesting angle. I guess LE will see what calls were made to whom and when.

 

[margarita25]

I have seen this type "stakeout" done before -- LE will conduct one of these during the time they think the crime occurred with a plus-2-hours-after and a minus-two-hours-before they think the event occurred, for example, near the area/neighborhood it happened. LE will usually have a handout saying whatever is appropriate: "Have you seen Susan?" a picture and a description of victim, and/or with questions like, "Have you noticed any one acting suspiciously in the last week?" etc., "if so, please call the XXPD hotline at --XXXX." The idea is that most of the people who LE sees will live in that neighborhood.

That may have been what they were doing -- they need info -- they don't know much at this point, usually -- and usually it is done very shortly after the event happened. And it starts people thinking...

Interesting...

 

[margarita25]

BBM:

I just spoke with a friend who lives there, she has been keeping her ear close to the ground, she does not believe he was kidnapped, evedently neither does LE , I would not think they would stop unless they were onto something, even with the temps being so cold last night. I have a sad feeling the outcome depends on how good the hiding place is. :(

(Or who starts talking...I'd like to think someone might start talking, but then I think about Heather Elvis's case and many others where I thought people would be singing like canaries by now...)

 

[margarita25]

(Interesting, it seems many of you are leaning more towards the girlfriend than the dad...)

 

[margarita25]

BBM:

They have nothing.

No proof the parents did anything. No proof they didn't.

Everybody in here knows how I feel about it.........I think he was snatched by a low-down opportunist that saw a weak link in the chain.....................and took advantage of it. An unsupervised child, outside after dark, with no one in sight.......................a snatch and grab.

Probably a stranger to the entire bunch.

It's definitely not out of the realm of possibilities! It's happened many times before!!

eta: we've also seen neighbors and relatives be the perps...

(I love seeing the alternate perspectives here! Me, I have no idea what happened...I'm leaning towards a Dylan Redwine type scenario if I had to pick one right now, but I really don't know!!)

Where are you Malik? Glad to see such a thorough commitment from LE. They are rockin it, imo.

 

[margarita25]

Sometimes I feel like we could just make a template for these kinds of cases and have a handy list of nouns and verbs to insert into the particulars, like a macabre version of "Mad Libs." Bed, yard, car, sleeping, eating, CPS, drugs, mother, father, sibling. Accident. rsbm

:shakehead:


I too feel like I'm switching out words in a template type fashion in different cases...I think I actually mentioned something like that one page 1! I've actually been wanting to compile a list of the same old questions I always ask in different threads ("Any attempted abductions in the area?...")

 

[margarita25]

O/T, weird, I just made a post, see above, mentioning how I always ask about attempted abductions in the area...well, I googled "attempted abduction searcy" just to go back and see if there's anything I missed, and this came up:

http://www.searcy.com/dev/content/celebration-of-survival-with-elizabeth-smart

"Sponsored by First Community Bank and BHP Billiton, The Child Safety Center is hosting it's first annual Celebration of Survival benefit with Elizabeth Smart as the guest speaker.The abduction of Elizabeth Smart was one of the most followed child abduction cases of our time. Elizabeth was abducted on June 5, 2002, and was held captive for 9 months where she endured repeated abuse. Mrs. Smart&#8217;s life now is a daily demonstration that it is possible to overcome extreme adversity, by not allowing your past to dictate your life's future. Each year The Child Safety Center serves over 200 abused children. It is the center&#8217;s mission to restore hope and healing to these young victims. We hope you will join us on this special evening&#8230;as we celebrate the survivors of childhood abuse within our communities.
Mrs. Smart's presentation will be held in the Benson Auditorium on the campus of Harding University in Searcy, AR. from 7:30pm - 9:00pm on Tuesday September 16th. "

 

[FindHG]

Yep -- I can remember when my son (only child) was about 2--3 months old -- I would be putting dinner together, my DH would come home to work, and he'd be tired or excited or pizzed at something at work, or we'd be in a rush to get somewhere (not often), etc., etc. Things all day prior to that were quiet & calm, but then, around 5:30pm or so, a critical mass (small one, never a large one, thank you, God) would occur. My son could sense it, and he would get fussy or cry --I had pork chops on the stove, potatoes or broccoli or asparagus in the oven, or such like, and DH wants to relax a bit -- this scenario sounds horrible, I over-painted the picture, but I'm sure it's familiar to many of you...

Anyway, it can be a tense time -- and with several children, I can't imagine it -- kids are hungry, or playing too loudly or arguing, "she hit me first," or one is unhappy & whining or crying, the telephone rings, the TV is too loud, so where do you go first? Yes, that makes sense. So someone hits someone -- or worse (I've fortunately never encountered that in my childhood or my son's) -- and a Horrible Thing occurs, either on purpose or not -- now, what do you do?

Yep, makes a lot of sense.

Horrible things, yeah anytime, you never know, but disappear into thin air is more than just horrible, mostly. Little Malik Drummond is somewhere.