Are West Mesa & LI murders related?

[beofswiftfeet]

What do you think folks? Are these the work of one person? See below some interesting finds..

Voicemail Claims To Be From West Mesa Killer - YouTube

 

[beofswiftfeet]

What do you think folks? Are these the work of one person? See below some interesting finds..

Voicemail Claims To Be From West Mesa Killer - YouTube

 

[beofswiftfeet]

It is a possibility related. what was the show: along came a spider with Morgan Freeman-two working together east coast-west coast. One mentioned most were hispanic in west mesa, yes but that is the area. Both areas, young females, prostitutes, possible drug addictions, though ones on west mesa buried: possibly easier to roll the ones on gilgo in burlap,role out of vehicle, the bodies blend in. and west mesa girls some knew each other-not sure of gilgo. Long distance trucker or even local - one on each end.

 

[dotr]

Feb 3 2022 rbbm.
No quit in hunt for West Mesa killer (yahoo.com)
''Liz Thomson, a former homicide sergeant, retired from the Albuquerque Police Department in late 2017 but has since come back as a contract investigator working on cold cases. She said the department has received over a thousand tips in the West Mesa case, interviewed hundreds of people and identified many persons of interest over the years.

The women had been reported missing in the early to mid-2000s and as APD detective Ida Lopez began to investigate she suspected they would be found all together, Thomson said. Eight other women disappeared under similar circumstances around the same time but their bodies have not been found.

Thomson said the killer preyed on vulnerable women and may have previously attacked someone without killing them and then escalated to murder and burying the bodies so as to conceal the crimes.

"We believe the burying of the women's bodies is key," Thomson said. "The person responsible had the means and the know-how to not only navigate a then remote and barely accessible area of the West Mesa, but to also methodically dig and then bury the women without clues such as clothing, personal items, or evidence of the method of killing such as bullets, bullet casings or remarkable blunt force trauma."
''There are two men who police have publicly identified as suspects — Lorenzo Montoya and Joseph Blea.''

West Mesa murder case reaches ten year anniversary – New Mexico News Port

Row 1: (from left to right) Monica Candelaria (21), Evelyn Salazar (27), and Syllania Edwards (15)
Row 2: Julie Nieto (23), Doreen Marquez(27), and Michelle Valdez (22)
Row 3:Jamie Barela (15), Cinnamon Elks (32), and Virginia Cloven (24)
Row 4: Veronica Romero (28), and Victoria Chavez (26)

The Potential Suspects

Lorenzo Montoya (left) and Joseph Blea (right)

 

[SecretAgentMan]

Imo, there is no connection between LISK & West Mesa murders.

According to Albuquerque's KQRE, Montoya hired a sex worker in December 2006 and took her to his home located less than two miles away from the site where the West Mesa victims were buried. He choked her to death, and when the woman's boyfriend/pimp came looking for her, he shot and killed Montoya. Although the murders stopped after that, police have unfortunately not been able to say without a doubt that Montoya was the serial killer known as the West Mesa Bone Collector.

Is it a coincidence Montoya just happened to live only 2 miles away from the dump site where the 11 victims were found?

Another coincidence would be how the murders stopped after Montoya was shot dead in his home after he had choked to death a sex worker.

Without hard evidence, like DNA, etc. its gonna be tough to point to a suspect, especially if they're dead.

 

[Taurus13]

I lived in the “warzone” growing up. In 06 I was about 15-16 and I was out and about at a friends house. If you are a female walking down central or zuni expect to get honked at , rides offered etc. Normally you just say no and the person drives off. Well this particular night it was a little past 10 PM, my friends brother refused to give me a ride home. So I decided to just walk home before it got any later. It was about a good 7-8 blocks away but of course at that age I felt invincible. As soon as I got on central a male pulled over and asked how much? I said no and he proceeded to drive away. Moments later a cop flashed his lights on me and asked what are you doing I told him I was walking home and it was a school night and I didn’t have a ride to get home since I was at my friends doing a project. He asked how old I was and I told him 15. He asked what the car had asked me and I told him oh yeah he was asking how much and basically trying to pick me up. The cop proceeded to turn on his lights and go after the car. I proceeded my walk and I walked past the officer who pulled over that vehicle. I remember seeing the lights fading in the distance and then suddenly this new car appears and just stops. I was walking west and the car was driving east. And something about this freaked me out because this car by now should’ve shouted at me or asked me how much. So the vehicle proceeded the route very slowly and made a right turn, and came back to make a left turn to drive west, the same direction I was headed. Once I saw him coming back to Zuni to make a left turn I crossed the street and he did the same thing again made a right turn just to get back on Zuni to be on the same side of the road as me. So we did the zig zag dance for about a couple more times. I knew this was bad, he hadnt spoken to me but he was like hunting me. He finally pulled over at a stop light parked his vehicle and he got out. He was a tall man looked white or maybe even like Joseph blea. I ran back and turned into this road and ran through some townhomes into an apartment complex and hid behind some vehicles. He drove around for a good 20 minutes looking for me. To avoid detection I was on my knees hiding behind tires so my shadow wouldn’t reflect from the street lights. After 10 minutes of no longer seeing his vehicle I ran home like crazy. It has always sat on my mind if this was the west mesa bone collector.

 

[Bose]

I lived in the “warzone” growing up. In 06 I was about 15-16 and I was out and about at a friends house. If you are a female walking down central or zuni expect to get honked at , rides offered etc. Normally you just say no and the person drives off. Well this particular night it was a little past 10 PM, my friends brother refused to give me a ride home. So I decided to just walk home before it got any later. It was about a good 7-8 blocks away but of course at that age I felt invincible. As soon as I got on central a male pulled over and asked how much? I said no and he proceeded to drive away. Moments later a cop flashed his lights on me and asked what are you doing I told him I was walking home and it was a school night and I didn’t have a ride to get home since I was at my friends doing a project. He asked how old I was and I told him 15. He asked what the car had asked me and I told him oh yeah he was asking how much and basically trying to pick me up. The cop proceeded to turn on his lights and go after the car. I proceeded my walk and I walked past the officer who pulled over that vehicle. I remember seeing the lights fading in the distance and then suddenly this new car appears and just stops. I was walking west and the car was driving east. And something about this freaked me out because this car by now should’ve shouted at me or asked me how much. So the vehicle proceeded the route very slowly and made a right turn, and came back to make a left turn to drive west, the same direction I was headed. Once I saw him coming back to Zuni to make a left turn I crossed the street and he did the same thing again made a right turn just to get back on Zuni to be on the same side of the road as me. So we did the zig zag dance for about a couple more times. I knew this was bad, he hadnt spoken to me but he was like hunting me. He finally pulled over at a stop light parked his vehicle and he got out. He was a tall man looked white or maybe even like Joseph blea. I ran back and turned into this road and ran through some townhomes into an apartment complex and hid behind some vehicles. He drove around for a good 20 minutes looking for me. To avoid detection I was on my knees hiding behind tires so my shadow wouldn’t reflect from the street lights. After 10 minutes of no longer seeing his vehicle I ran home like crazy. It has always sat on my mind if this was the west mesa bone collector.

That is crazy. I'm so sorry you went through that! Glad you are ok.

 

[Girlwdgntattoo]

I lived in the “warzone” growing up. In 06 I was about 15-16 and I was out and about at a friends house. If you are a female walking down central or zuni expect to get honked at , rides offered etc. Normally you just say no and the person drives off. Well this particular night it was a little past 10 PM, my friends brother refused to give me a ride home. So I decided to just walk home before it got any later. It was about a good 7-8 blocks away but of course at that age I felt invincible. As soon as I got on central a male pulled over and asked how much? I said no and he proceeded to drive away. Moments later a cop flashed his lights on me and asked what are you doing I told him I was walking home and it was a school night and I didn’t have a ride to get home since I was at my friends doing a project. He asked how old I was and I told him 15. He asked what the car had asked me and I told him oh yeah he was asking how much and basically trying to pick me up. The cop proceeded to turn on his lights and go after the car. I proceeded my walk and I walked past the officer who pulled over that vehicle. I remember seeing the lights fading in the distance and then suddenly this new car appears and just stops. I was walking west and the car was driving east. And something about this freaked me out because this car by now should’ve shouted at me or asked me how much. So the vehicle proceeded the route very slowly and made a right turn, and came back to make a left turn to drive west, the same direction I was headed. Once I saw him coming back to Zuni to make a left turn I crossed the street and he did the same thing again made a right turn just to get back on Zuni to be on the same side of the road as me. So we did the zig zag dance for about a couple more times. I knew this was bad, he hadnt spoken to me but he was like hunting me. He finally pulled over at a stop light parked his vehicle and he got out. He was a tall man looked white or maybe even like Joseph blea. I ran back and turned into this road and ran through some townhomes into an apartment complex and hid behind some vehicles. He drove around for a good 20 minutes looking for me. To avoid detection I was on my knees hiding behind tires so my shadow wouldn’t reflect from the street lights. After 10 minutes of no longer seeing his vehicle I ran home like crazy. It has always sat on my mind if this was the west mesa bone collector.

Thank you for sharing your frightening, and harrowing experience with us. I’m sorry you had to live this. I am grateful you are alive. This could have ended so differently for you. You must have been so scared. Especially, being all by yourself. Your encounter with this individual shows the reality of terror experienced by those who did not survive, also. How awful. I hope you have a good support system around you; both now, and during the time this occurred. I am proud of you for having the courage to share your trauma, and provide awareness about your experience.

 

[Girlwdgntattoo]

Thank you for liking my post about West Mesa & LI. I really appreciate it; ) I hope you enjoy your weekend FromGermany1!

 

[Blueeyedbrowngirl]

Nope.

 

[ThatBlondeGirl1993]

I lived in the “warzone” growing up. In 06 I was about 15-16 and I was out and about at a friends house. If you are a female walking down central or zuni expect to get honked at , rides offered etc. Normally you just say no and the person drives off. Well this particular night it was a little past 10 PM, my friends brother refused to give me a ride home. So I decided to just walk home before it got any later. It was about a good 7-8 blocks away but of course at that age I felt invincible. As soon as I got on central a male pulled over and asked how much? I said no and he proceeded to drive away. Moments later a cop flashed his lights on me and asked what are you doing I told him I was walking home and it was a school night and I didn’t have a ride to get home since I was at my friends doing a project. He asked how old I was and I told him 15. He asked what the car had asked me and I told him oh yeah he was asking how much and basically trying to pick me up. The cop proceeded to turn on his lights and go after the car. I proceeded my walk and I walked past the officer who pulled over that vehicle. I remember seeing the lights fading in the distance and then suddenly this new car appears and just stops. I was walking west and the car was driving east. And something about this freaked me out because this car by now should’ve shouted at me or asked me how much. So the vehicle proceeded the route very slowly and made a right turn, and came back to make a left turn to drive west, the same direction I was headed. Once I saw him coming back to Zuni to make a left turn I crossed the street and he did the same thing again made a right turn just to get back on Zuni to be on the same side of the road as me. So we did the zig zag dance for about a couple more times. I knew this was bad, he hadnt spoken to me but he was like hunting me. He finally pulled over at a stop light parked his vehicle and he got out. He was a tall man looked white or maybe even like Joseph blea. I ran back and turned into this road and ran through some townhomes into an apartment complex and hid behind some vehicles. He drove around for a good 20 minutes looking for me. To avoid detection I was on my knees hiding behind tires so my shadow wouldn’t reflect from the street lights. After 10 minutes of no longer seeing his vehicle I ran home like crazy. It has always sat on my mind if this was the west mesa bone collector.

Do you remember/were able to see anything else specific? Like…
-Body type like slender? Average? Heavy set?
-approximate type of vehicle? Like older towncar? SUV? Truck? Etc.
-any facial hair or distinctive markings you could see?
-maybe a rough age even if it’s like youngish, young adult, middle aged, older?
- was he wearing anything distinctive that you could see like a hat or certain type of shoes etc?

Sorry for all the questions. I do believe there may be a connection.

 

[snooptroop88]

Are West Mesa & LI related? While unlikely, it's not impossible. If you have an SK traveling east-west through to Las Vegas with relative frequency, I-40 cuts right through the area. The burials occurred 2001-2005 (some have more narrow estimation 2003-2005). There were 11 victims buried there.

"The site, which was fenced off, has a commanding view of downtown Albuquerque in the distance and stretches over an arroyo, which is why some of the remains were found in graves that varied in depth from 8 to 18 inches. No clothing or personal belongings, such a purse, were found on the remains."

Families offer clues in Albuquerque's "crime of the century"

ALBUQUERQUE - Five years have passed since the bodies of 11 young women were found buried in shallow graves in the...

www.elpasotimes.com

"Of the 11 girls and women discovered at West Mesa, the only one who wasn’t a sex worker or sex trafficking victim was 15-year-old Jamie Barela. She was last seen with her 27-year-old cousin Evelyn Salazar, whose remains were also discovered at West Mesa. In addition to Barela, investigators discovered the remains of another 15-year-old named Syllannia Edwards, the only Black girl identified at the West Mesa site."

Is the West Mesa Bone Collector Serial Killer Still Roaming Free?

In the mid-2000s, girls and women started disappearing. A few years later, their bones turned up in a grave—but some are still missing.

www.aetv.com

Authorities suspect the victims were murdered by strangulation. Mutilation appeared to be involved in at least one case (implied more) per ""Killing Season." I've seen posters on related WS threads noting the New Mexico State Fair held in Albuquerque as a factor, I wonder about this as well. And I'm seeing that sex workers do frequent this fair in big numbers.

Out-of-state sex workers expected to be in Albuquerque for state fair

Authorities, as well as outreach pastor Shelley Repp, are expecting out-of-state sex workers to come to Albuquerque, in search of new clientele.

www.koat.com

People have speculated for years this was an SK from out of town. You just never know.

 

[snooptroop88]

Seeing something of interest as I'm researching. About fifteen minutes north, I believe, of the murder site is a structure of great architectural interest, the West Mesa House designed by Antoine Predock, 2001, very modern structure, seeing this in a source: "Located on Albuquerque’s West Mesa, the residence takes advantage of the topographical features particular to its location. By opening to the east, the Rio Grande foregrounds the city and the Sandia Mountains beyond. This siting allows the house to turn its back to the western desert sun, dust and wind." Someone en route to Las Vegas could easily incorporate a visit to that location into the trip, and it appears to be quite close to the murder site.

 

[Keekdasneak1314]

Seeing something of interest as I'm researching. About fifteen minutes north, I believe, of the murder site is a structure of great architectural interest, the West Mesa House designed by Antoine Predock, 2001, very modern structure, seeing this in a source: "Located on Albuquerque’s West Mesa, the residence takes advantage of the topographical features particular to its location. By opening to the east, the Rio Grande foregrounds the city and the Sandia Mountains beyond. This siting allows the house to turn its back to the western desert sun, dust and wind." Someone en route to Las Vegas could easily incorporate a visit to that location into the trip, and it appears to be quite close to the murder site.

I think the more we dive the more connections to different areas we didn't even think were apart of his "killing field". I also wonder if he ever actually went dormant. Did he just kill in different states? countries? cant wait to find out more.