Armchair Psych Profile and JH's Background

[Liz]

That was me thinking out loud. Reportedly JH took a vicodin before the shooting. The doctor was previously reprimanded for prescribing vicodin for anxiety/headaches to the employee.

Call me crazy but when one thinks outloud, while quoting my post, I just can't help but think that it's directed to me. :crazy:

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

FTLOG this guy has a history and who here is surprised? In the course of my life, I've met with shrinks and counselors to a positive result as have family members. Depression and similar issues are painful but they aren't typically indicative of psychosis. I've taught adjudicated youth and once after a particularly disturbing drawing was found, I relayed it to my supervisors. Point is,,,serious mental illness and HIPPA need to re-evaluate their goal. I said days ago there was either obscure or obvious issues with this man. We all struggle but what's sadder is he didn't get the care he needed. I really don't know where we go from here as there is NO doubt his shrink knew what he was capable of doing and I'd not want to be in her shoes.

 

[CajunSarah]

Call me crazy but when one thinks outloud, while quoting my post, I just can't help but think that it's directed to me. :crazy:

That's just crazy!!!

(and my lame attempt at humor!)

 

[jjenny]

History of what? We don't know what she was treating him for. What exactly makes anyone think she knew what he was capable of?

 

[Liz]

If people who have followed this case up until now aren't at least entertaining the possibility of JH having issues of schizophrenia .... well, then .... De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt.

 

[Curious Me]

Whoa, hold your horses please. (not anyone in particular) Many of us still feel extremely dubious of the media's assertions.

 

[jjenny]

If people who have followed this case up until now aren't at least entertaining the possibility of JH having issues of schizophrenia .... well, then .... De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt.

Well now I hope you find my response as perfectly appropriate:just because the shrink specializes in schizophrenia doesn't mean JH was there for that.

 

[Liz]

Whoa, hold your horses please. Many of feel still feel extremely dubious of the media's assertions.

That's okay. You have the right to feel however you do. I'm just sayin ...
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck ... then it might possibly be a duck. Then again, it might just be someone dressed as a duck, because they were thinking they were a duck.

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

History of what? We don't know what she was treating him for. What exactly makes anyone think she knew what he was capable of?

guessing your post is directed at mine, though i could be wrong. Mental illness comes with so many stigmas but there is a vast difference from depression and psychosis. The damaging factor is re HIPPA no one can talk regardless. There needs to be clarity.

 

[Liz]

Well now I hope you find my response as perfectly appropriate:just because the shrink specializes in schizophrenia doesn't mean JH was there for that.

No, I don't. I don't think it is ever appropriate to put words into peoples' mouths.

 

[jjenny]

guessing your post is directed at mine, though i could be wrong. Mental illness comes with so many stigmas but there is a vast difference from depression and psychosis. The damaging factor is re HIPPA no one can talk regardless. There needs to be clarity.

How would disposing of HIPAA help those with mental illness? I presume they don't want their doctors revealing their medical information.

 

[jjenny]

No, I don't. I don't think it is ever appropriate to put words into peoples' mouths.

So it's not appropriate to respond that we don't know that he has anything like schizophrenia even when you bring up the idea that he might? Isn't that what you are trying to say?

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

If people who have followed this case up until now aren't at least entertaining the possibility of JH having issues of schizophrenia .... well, then .... De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt.

exactly. Troubling factor is he was being treated and if he was remotely honest in treatment, the great unknown here, his counselor had a clue. If true, there are limited remedies out there re HIPPA and that may be the crux of the problem. JMO

 

[February]

That's okay. You have the right to feel however you do. I'm just sayin ...
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck ... then it might possibly be a duck. Then again, it might just be someone dressed as a duck, because they were thinking they were a duck.

:rollercoaster::rollercoaster::rollercoaster:


and when I see a bird that walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck

 

[jjenny]

exactly. Troubling factor is he was being treated and if he was remotely honest in treatment, the great unknown here, his counselor had a clue. If true, there are limited remedies out there re HIPPA and that may be the crux of the problem. JMO

Treated for what? None of us know. So, no, I don't think we have any information that she had a clue.

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

How would disposing of HIPAA help those with mental illness? I presume they don't want their doctors revealing their medical information.

huh? not disposing of HIPPA but if a doctor is concerned re a patient, there'd be a venue to discuss that. Not really that complex of an idea. People get Baker acted all the time but that's for fear of their safety but what about when others pose a threat?

 

[jjenny]

huh? not disposing of HIPPA but if a doctor is concerned re a patient, there'd be a venue to discuss that. Not really that complex of an idea. People get Baker acted all the time but that's for fear of their safety but what about when others pose a threat?

If doctor knows patient is thread to someone they are already able to report on that patient.

 

[February]

HIPAA!

http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/consumers/index.html
Examples of organizations that do not have to follow the Privacy and Security Rules include:

life insurers,
employers,
workers compensation carriers,
many schools and school districts,
many state agencies like child protective service agencies,
many law enforcement agencies,
many municipal offices.

 

[jjenny]

HIPAA!

http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/consumers/index.html
Examples of organizations that do not have to follow the Privacy and Security Rules include:

life insurers,
employers,
workers compensation carriers,
many schools and school districts,
many state agencies like child protective service agencies,
many law enforcement agencies,
many municipal offices.

But doctors have follow HIPAA.

 

[Liz]

exactly. Troubling factor is he was being treated and if he was remotely honest in treatment, the great unknown here, his counselor had a clue. If true, there are limited remedies out there re HIPPA and that may be the crux of the problem. JMO

HH, some people are just myopic and refuse to even entertain any possibility whatsoever that JH 'might' be suffering from mental illness. Not one of us knows for sure!

I think it might have to do with the thinking that he might 'get off scot-free', if he has MI. That is far from true. Especially in CO from what I've heard, if I understand correctly. JMO