Armchair Psych Profile and JH's Background

[~n/t~]

I agree that people had to see his odd behavior. May have just thought he was a quirk - OFTEN the illness begins to escalate in the 20's - JH may have seemed shy - but was in turmoil internally. They know something is not right and they DO hide it very well for as long as they can.
IMHO this gag order is not serving. While he has rights, gag order smells more like hiding information then revealing information. Yes I understand about laws, and rights.
But in my head gag order on a case like this stinks. ONLY J.H IS TO BLAME.
Not the school, or the movie, or the parents, but I am certain that people did see and see very questionable behavior long before he totally unraveled.

IMO, the fact that they also "gagged" his emails makes me think that there may have been some revealing information in them.

Also, according to the gag order it is the State that requested the order. Isn't that unusual? Isn't it usually the defense in an effort to give their client the right to a fair trial?

 

[~n/t~]

And to be afraid of someone from only a VM, IMO, sure must be bizairre huh?

A lot of people I know say "Cheers" . That in itself is not bizarre at all. People even sign their memos/letters/emails "cheers". As posted on a previous thread regarding the Gun Range Club, IMO, his signature would have raised more red flags than a "Cheers" in his VM.

 

[songline]

IMO, the fact that they also "gagged" his emails makes me think that there may have been some revealing information in them.

Also, according to the gag order it is the State that requested the order. Isn't that unusual? Isn't it usually the defense in an effort to give their client the right to a fair trial?

IMHO this judge should be removed. NOTHING should be hidden, all should be transparent.
While I can see not wanting to trial such a charged case in the public eye.
I think everything people know about JH should be open.

Ironically MI people hide all the time... hiding anything at this stage is enabling (not with intent to enable but it is) IMHO

I think putting all the information out so that JH can see he can no longer hide, would help on so many levels.
AGAIN: I would move to remove this judge, but I have no say

 

[rollinginit]

In response to the gun range mgr......IMO, my hubby goes to ranges all the time. They are usually pretty strict. The mgr's and members tend to keep a very close eye on everybody that is there. They (or the ones we have been to) also tend to be more leery of the younger adults unless you are the kid of a member or a known competition shooter. Any kind of assault weapon is going to be noticed. Gun members are nosey about what other members are shooting. LOL. I can't tell you how many times we have spent up there just talking to others about guns. My hubby could spend hours talking with a stranger over a gun or bow...or fishing...or hunting.:what:

When my hubby is going somewhere new to shoot (he did a competition shooting "golf" tournament in PA not to long ago)....if he doesn't talk to the mgr. that day he fills out his information or signs up......it's common for the mgr. or org. of the event to call him. I guess some people would call it "calling to shoot the breeze" but I think they call to see how knowledgeable my hubby is about guns. They usually ask him questions about where he usually shoots at, hunting, and they always ask what type of work he does. They always ask what type of guns does he plan on shooting at the range.

I can believe the mgr's statement about calling the shooter. It's possible the mgr. was busy or not there when the shooter applied.....or maybe you can apply online and submit your application. ???????? JMO.

 

[songline]

That to me is what it comes down to. Even with MI like your daughter's and mine, it comes down to intent. Your daughter is not evil, I am not evil. So to think because of our MI, we could do something like this is just APPALLING!


MI doesn't not equate to the acts JH perpetrated! He 'might' be MI, but just because he was MI, it doesn't mean that he isn't evil.

Your daughter, nor myself, who are both MI are not evil. The thought that either of us could do this type of HORRIFIC act, makes those around us APPALLED that anyone would suggest this man's evil acts could even come close to the reality her and I deal with on a regular basis.

If he gets off because someone thinks his actions are because of MI, then the ENTIRE MI community loses the ground we are trying to gain by saying MOST of us, are struggling hard NOT being this type of human. We WANT to NOT feel like this, we WANT to not be associated with this HORRENDOUS act. WE, as a WHOLE, in the MI community ARE NOT EVIL!

Giving this man this out! This,,,,, oh he's MI!..... disputes EVERYTHING the REAL MI community is trying to do.

Anyone in my shoes would do ANYTHING, just to be NORMAL. This man disputes EVERYTHING we want for ourselves in the MI community!

Sorry for your hardships ((((( big Hug )))))
HE will never get off, or see the light of day.
But in my opinion he is severely MI and functional. Yes he knew what he was doing, MI does not mean you have no clue what you are doing.
Most MI people struggle much, Many lead very healthy and successful lives when medicated.
There also exists an EVIL group within MI group, and we cannot deny that.

I think he will not get the DP because of it, but will get LWOP.
Furthermore it means to me that being able to walk into a store and buying ammunition should not be.
the laws should be edited to protect us from evil.

Blessings for your daughter.:beats:

 

[~n/t~]

In response to the gun range mgr......IMO, my hubby goes to ranges all the time. They are usually pretty strict. The mgr's and members tend to keep a very close eye on everybody that is there. They (or the ones we have been to) also tend to be more leery of the younger adults unless you are the kid of a member or a known competition shooter. Any kind of assault weapon is going to be noticed. Gun members are nosey about what other members are shooting. LOL. I can't tell you how many times we have spent up there just talking to others about guns. My hubby could spend hours talking with a stranger over a gun or bow...or fishing...or hunting.:what:

When my hubby is going somewhere new to shoot (he did a competition shooting "golf" tournament in PA not to long ago)....if he doesn't talk to the mgr. that day he fills out his information or signs up......it's common for the mgr. or org. of the event to call him. I guess some people would call it "calling to shoot the breeze" but I think they call to see how knowledgeable my hubby is about guns. They usually ask him questions about where he usually shoots at, hunting, and they always ask what type of work he does. They always ask what type of guns does he plan on shooting at the range.

I can believe the mgr's statement about calling the shooter. It's possible the mgr. was busy or not there when the shooter applied.....or maybe you can apply online and submit your application. ???????? JMO.

I think the suspect applied online and his signature is just a "font" based text from one of the options available in WORD. Not his signature.

BUT that did in itself is not what raised the red flag. The suspect's VM did. Because he said Cheers? :waitasec:

 

[songline]

Songline please don't think that I am of the opinion that MI is bs because I am not.. I've seen it up close and personal and dealt with it in many close friends as well as family members. I know it is alive and well and can make ones life a living hell for both the person suffering from it along with all those around them.. I know that you've had a rough go of it with your daughter.. Believe me tho I must admit I chuckled for a moment at how you described your once having called for help for her and that she was so good at hiding and conning medical professionals that you were the one that ended up being taken in..(and I mean no disrespect by laughing it was just the way you told you have me with a mental picture of you being strapped down and carted off..lol)..

So, I know that you have very first hand personal knowledge of MI.. But believe when I speak of bs I am not speaking of MI not existing because I very much know that it does.. I'm just not giving this monster that benefit of the doubt at this time that he in fact is MI to a degree that would matter or hold any bearing in a court of criminal law for his heinous crimes..

That's all.. So, I didnt want you to misunderstand and think that my opinion was that MI is bs.. Because that's not how I feel..

thanks, but I have to reply to this...While funny in some way, it really was not..LOL
I was not strapped down LOL But I DO know of several cases where it did happen. In-fact NAMI teaches those cases to family of the MI so that when or if it comes up they know how to handle it.
No - In my case, we got to emergency room and she got them to check me out, and latter apologize, but it was close. I almost saw myself in a hospital gown.


Since you do have knowledge of it. Can you see WHY those people would get LWOP instead of DP ????

 

[CARIIS]

A lot of people I know say "Cheers" . That in itself is not bizarre at all. People even sign their memos/letters/emails "cheers". As posted on a previous thread regarding the Gun Range Club, IMO, his signature would have raised more red flags than a "Cheers" in his VM.

This is funny! No I was not referring to cheers - responding to notion that there is huge data (regarding outward behaviors) in the fact that when the gun range guy called JH , his voice mail was so odd that he chose not to do business with him.

My notion - that there were overt easily discernable , overt, behavioial problems even from people who had never SEEN him.Indicates a bunch of severity to me!

THe notion IMO, that he had ONE bad day and is shopping for machine guns that afternoon, IMO, is kind of ludicrious!

 

[rollinginit]

I think the suspect applied online and his signature is just a "font" based text from one of the options available in WORD. Not his signature.

BUT that did in itself is not what raised the red flag. The suspect's VM did. Because he said Cheers? :waitasec:

HAHA. Okay, I see what you mean. Maybe the mgr. is an older kind of guy. Maybe he just thought it was freaky to say cheers. I can see my grandpa looking at me strange if I said cheers. I still say yes sir and no sir/mam to adults and get strange looks.

 

[21merc7]

IMO, the fact that they also "gagged" his emails makes me think that there may have been some revealing information in them.

Also, according to the gag order it is the State that requested the order. Isn't that unusual? Isn't it usually the defense in an effort to give their client the right to a fair trial?

It is not unusual for the State to ask for a Gag Order. They have "the burden of proof" in Court. I think they wanted a lid on this fast b.c it went worldwide within seconds of the incident beginning. They want a fair and impartial jury as much as the defense does.

In light of that case I don't speak of, lol, I am happy that the Order is in place. This defendant already has a lot of sympathizers, as evidenced by people thinking he is "hot", and any inside info will just make it harder for an impartial jury to truly be found, or one that isn't just there for the money to come afterward. (As we have seen in the past.)

 

[songline]

please review andrea yates' case

Andrea Yates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

She never claimed she was innocent. Ever. She confessed from the get go.

Do you remember her husband standing by her side at first?
He supported her in the very beginning until the pieces came to light.

Yes another classic MI case but different and she did get LWOP.

 

[Sonya610]

Plus, there's con jobs even within MI. Did JH not stop himself from killing because he knew he could fake a MI? I don't know.

Okay even if he is "faking" MI what is the benefit? It isn't like they are going to let him off because of it! He is going to be locked up for the rest of his life anyway. It wasn't like he had a plan to get away with this BUT if that failed plan B was to take MI!

Holmes had no hope of getting away with this, he didn't even try! He made sure his own apartment would be messed up (or blown up) so he didn't even have anywhere to go! Compare that to McDaniel, totally different, McDaniel had a very good plan and he came within minutes of succeeding and getting away with it scott free! If McDaniel was pretending to be MI that was plan B, in the event plan A (the perfect murder) failed.

 

[songline]

HAHA. Okay, I see what you mean. Maybe the mgr. is an older kind of guy. Maybe he just thought it was freaky to say cheers. I can see my grandpa looking at me strange if I said cheers. I still say yes sir and no sir/mam to adults and get strange looks.

I am not so sure he was reacting only to the "cheers" part.
sometimes people sound creepy in some way, don’t know.
But he did sense something and he wanted to talk to him.

 

[21merc7]

Okay even if he is "faking" MI what is the benefit? It isn't like they are going to let him off because of it! He is going to be locked up for the rest of his life anyway. It wasn't like he had a plan to get away with this BUT if that failed plan B was to take MI!

Holmes had no hope of getting away with this, he didn't even try! He made sure his own apartment would be messed up (or blown up) so he didn't even have anywhere to go! He apparently didn't even try to come up with a plan to avoid punishment, and getting arrested then acting MI does not seem like any sort of plan at all. Compare that to McDaniel, totally different, McDaniel had a very good plan and he came within minutes of succeeding and getting away with it scott free! If McDaniel was pretending to be MI that was plan B, plan A was the perfect murder.

My best guess would be he thinks he is "out smarting" everyone. I don't think it will work, if he is faking, the Forensic Psychologists for BOTH sides will know. Perhaps he also thinks it would spare him the death penalty. I have no idea really, just guessing.

 

[songline]

Okay even if he is "faking" MI what is the benefit? It isn't like they are going to let him off because of it! He is going to be locked up for the rest of his life anyway. It wasn't like he had a plan to get away with this BUT if that failed plan B was to take MI!

Holmes had no hope of getting away with this, he didn't even try! He made sure his own apartment would be messed up (or blown up) so he didn't even have anywhere to go! He apparently didn't even try to come up with a plan to avoid punishment, and getting arrested then acting MI does not seem like any sort of plan at all. Compare that to McDaniel, totally different, McDaniel had a very good plan and he came within minutes of succeeding and getting away with it scott free! If McDaniel was pretending to be MI that was plan B, plan A was the perfect murder.

ITA... I do not think he is acting.


I think he will be there for life with no chance of getting out, I think he will get a degree in jail - I think he will look for a GF while in prison.

It is all to insane - I can see why some people rather see him get the DP because he will still have some kind of life while his victims will not. But because he is MI he will not get the DP.

 

[Padua]

Do you remember her husband standing by her side at first?
He supported her in the very beginning until the pieces came to light.

Yes another classic MI case but different and she did get LWOP.

I'm confused. It says she was found NGRI and was transferred to a state psych hospital.

 

[joe2857]

the next date on the school calendar is May 23 which is the deadline of grades. I am still doubting about the date of June 7 oral exam. They started their summer semester on June 4 already so all the grades before June 4 should be posted

Sorry for jumping in late, and I don't want to beat a dead horse, but there is nothing odd at all about JH taking his prelim exam after the semester is over. These exams are tough to schedule because they are oral exams and you need to find a time when everyone can meet -- the student and the faculty members on his/her committee. Of course, each school and each program is different, but these types of exams are often scheduled after the semester is over and people's schedules aren't as busy. In many graduate programs, the only requirement is that you have to take your "prelims" within a certain number of weeks or months after finishing your coursework. They are not like the "final exams" you take at the end of a class. They don't show up as "grades" on your transcript. They don't have to follow the university calendar.

And yes, I am speaking from personal experience.

 

[CARIIS]

Exactly!

And Meryl Streep is awesome. I have never seen (even the Academy Award winners) physically, have the ability to MAKE their eyes go vacant and disconnected! Their EYES (psychotic/decisions) clusters of MI) appear disengaged, off, not present, and distant.

If that is not an accurate description of the world saw, in court, then I must be disconnected with reality!!!!!!

There are clusters in M, I think Baskin Robbins (!) on a cone. You can mix and match flavors.

Delusions:

Delusion of inflated worth, power, knowledge, identity or believes he/she to be a famous person – nothing need be said!

A person with delusional disorder may be high functioning in daily life as this disorder bears disorder bears no relation to one's IQ.

It is an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force - joker. [3

That idea appears to exert an undue influence on the patient's life – relentless focus on obtaining an arsenal for months – 50 orders pretty intense!

Emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of their psyche. Grad degree

The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal – shooting 70 human beings qualifies!

The delusions do not interfere with general logical reasoning capacity ; at some point perform admirably academically



The symptoms expressed by a delusional disorder can also be part of a much more serious problemDelusional disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JBean]

PLease do not point to the university at this time. There is nothing to support a claim of impropriety on their part that was a factor in Holmes shooting innocent people.
If it comes out they knew he would do this and did not tell anyone- then things could change. But until such time it is not a founded accusation. Let's wait for more info.
Thanks.

Had some questions. You can discuss the University and any action taken by them! Just be careful to not accuse them of being responsible for this crime. Let's see what info comes out. But discussing what they have or have not done, as we know it, is totally fine.
This is the psych profile thread so careful not to take it OT.Thanks and sorry for the confusion.


Also please remember to use MSM links for your information. Most blogs cannot be used to substantiate facts-some can. If a link comes out with ***** it cannot be posted here so please find another link for the information. If you cannot find another link for the info that please don't post it.
Thanks sorry for all the nagging first thing in the morning.

 

[jjenny]

I'm confused. It says she was found NGRI and was transferred to a state psych hospital.

Yes, Yates is in a mental hospital. She had two trials. In first trial she was found guilty. In second trial she was found not guilty by reason of insanity. Now they are talking about her getting released into society one of these days.