*Arrest* Holly Bobo investigation- TBI press conference 5 March 2014

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  • #802
I kind of it took it to mean as a result of, or as a part of the kidnapping. Not sure how they could possibly know she died during the kidnapping?

Because the whole time he had her was during the kidnapping.
If he had her for three years and the police busted down his door and he shot and killed her, he would have still been charged with the same thing. A kidnapping doesn't stop, as long as the person is being held against their will, they are kidnapped.
 
  • #803
According to a prior article of an interview with ZA's neighbor that has known him since childhood. ZA's name was given to investigators two years ago. It seems obvious that ZA fit the profile and had a very violent history against women documented. Yet, ZA was not identified as a poi or suspect by Director Mark Gwyn, placing the community's safety at risk, imo..

When asked if this a serial investigation, and when asked if more arrests were coming, the questions were skirted by the TBI Director.

Considering how much information has come from ZA's arrest & MS Media coverage.
"How many citizen tips would have come in if the public was informed that Zachary Adams was a pio or suspect in the Holly Bobo abduction two years ago"?

"Imo, the public's safety was, and may still be, placed at risk due to the TBI's antiquated silence investigative strategy"..

They didn't have enough at the time to say he was a POI, IMO
 
  • #804
This bothers me so much...a dog has no idea why he is being hurt like that...he can't know that some people are just evil, monstrous f******....

Cruelty to animals is one of the strongest indicators of someone developing into a violent offender. It's part of the "triad" of behaviors that are found in serial killers. People who derive pleasure from hurting, torturing, killing animals don't see animals, or people for that matter, as anything more than disposable pawns. They are devoid of empathy or love or care. People should have never allowed him around pets. Or people, IMO...
 
  • #805
IMO There is a new mugshot released today and I swear it looks like there is a tear in his right eye. No smile. Looks like he is pouting. Hope so. I think it was ABC, I'm looking for the link now. It's hard to pick ine. It's on all networks, just different versions.

:loveyou::loveyou: Another "It's all about me" moment :floorlaugh::floorlaugh: I hope he is suffering in some way since he doesn't have remorse for anyone but himself.
 
  • #806
IMO There is a new mugshot released today and I swear it looks like there is a tear in his right eye. No smile. Looks like he is pouting. Hope so. I think it was ABC, I'm looking for the link now. It's hard to pick ine. It's on all networks, just different versions.

This one?
zach-adams-bobo-mug.jpg


http://wreg.com/2014/03/05/arrest-in-holly-bobo-case/
 
  • #807
Because the whole time he had her was during the kidnapping.
If he had her for three years and the police busted down his door and he shot and killed her, he would have still been charged with the same thing. A kidnapping doesn't stop, as long as the person is being held against their will, they are kidnapped.

That was my point. Other posters indicated that she died before he was able to assault her, but I do not believe that is necessarily the case. Just that she died (was murdered) while a captive. JMO
 
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Do we know what age ZA was when he started the violence? Drugs?
and why did he have access to guns at mothers?
Serial killers have certain traits, bed wetting, torture & killing animals.
JMOO and thoughts.............think ZA killed others that were never reported missing???

All good questions. Unless somebody talks I doubt we will ever know about his behavior as a Juvenile.
 
  • #810
Today's mugshot. I don't think that is a tear. I think it is just a reflection, and/or perhaps his rather glossy drug use eyes.

Let's not worry about what he did to Holly. She is safe now and no longer will care or be concerned with his actions of that time.

I do think he blabbed to some of his drug buddies. Ever hear a bunch of addicts in conversation? They cannot shut up! He may have added some things just for bravado (hopefully her family will not have to know), but hopefully he included location.
 
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Will Nunley ‏@willnunley · 4m
I'm just listening today. Listening to longtime friends, strangers, officers. Expressing heartbreak. Anger. Pleading for answers
 
  • #812
A beautiful young lady with her whole life ahead of her.
I think of the happiest days of my life... when I was married and later , the birth of my children. All of that she will never experience.
There are things I could say about this monster who stole her life and shattered her family...but others have said it already.

Rest in gentle peace, Holly. My utmost condolences to your family and I hope they can find healing.
 
  • #813
IMO There is a new mugshot released today and I swear it looks like there is a tear in his right eye. No smile. Looks like he is pouting. Hope so. I think it was ABC, I'm looking for the link now. It's hard to pick ine. It's on all networks, just different versions.

http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Sheriff-Zach-Adams-in-Solitary-Confinment-248874941.html

BBM

I thought the same thing. Trying to look sad and remorseful...comes of looking like a deranged B-movie actor.

Color me unimpressed.
 
  • #814
I am honestly very surprised by and proud of the TBI for all of this. Really didn't see it coming.

However - and I know it's a sticky subject, and you never want to jeopardize an investigation - but the one thing I guess that does bother me is that there WAS a dangerous predator on the loose in the community, and they really did nothing to let people know this at any time during the investigation. Keeping things close to the vest I can understand, and apparently it worked, but it's horrifying to think that this guy was out and about for 3 years. Even if they didn't have a person in mind, they didn't really give off the impression that there was any danger to the public, which I think is another reason many people assumed it to be domestic.
 
  • #815
A kidnapping isn't just the abduction itself - it's the whole thing because the law assumes the person is there against their will for fear of bodily harm.

In this case we know there was some type of bodily harm at the beginning plus obviously her demise at some point away from where Holly wanted to be.

From Tennessee Code: Definition of "Especially Aggravated Kidnapping"
http://www.tncrimlaw.com/TPI_Crim/08_03.htm

Any person who commits an especially aggravated kidnapping is guilty of a crime.
For you to find the defendant guilty of this offense, the state must have proven beyond a reasonable doubt the existence of the following essential elements:

[Part A:
(1) that the defendant removed or confined another unlawfully so as to interfere substantially with the other's liberty;
and
(2) that the confinement or removal was accomplished with a deadly weapon or by display of any article used or fashioned to lead the alleged victim to reasonably believe it was a deadly weapon
and
(3) that the defendant acted knowingly.]

or

[Part B:

(1) that the defendant removed or confined another unlawfully so as to interfere substantially with the other's liberty;
and
(2)that the alleged victim was under the age of thirteen (13) at the time of removal or confinement;2
and
(3) that the defendant acted knowingly.]

or

[Part C:

(1) that the defendant removed or confined another unlawfully so as to interfere substantially with the other's liberty;
and
(2) that the alleged victim was held for ransom or reward
and
(3) that the defendant acted knowingly.]

or

[Part D:

(1) that the defendant removed or confined another unlawfully so as to interfere substantially with the other's liberty;
and
(2) that the alleged victim was used as a shield or hostage
and
(3) that the defendant acted knowingly.]

or

[Part E:

(1) that the defendant removed or confined another unlawfully so as to interfere substantially with the other's liberty;
and
(2) that the alleged victim suffered serious bodily injury
and
(3) that the defendant acted knowingly.]

A removal or confinement is "unlawful" if it is accomplished by force, threat or fraud, or, in the case of a person who is under the age of thirteen (13), if it is accomplished without the consent of a parent, guardian or other person responsible for the general supervision of the minor's welfare.3

[ "Deadly weapon" means a firearm or anything manifestly designed, made or adapted for the purpose of inflicting death or serious bodily injury or anything that in the manner of its use or intended use is capable of causing death or serious bodily injury.]4

["Force" means compulsion by the use of physical power or violence.]5

["Fraud” is defined as the term is used in ordinary conversation and includes, but is not limited to, deceit, trickery, misrepresentation and subterfuge.]6

["Serious bodily injury" means bodily injury which involves a substantial risk of death; protracted unconsciousness; extreme physical pain; protracted or obvious disfigurement; or protracted loss or substantial impairment of a function of a bodily member, organ or mental faculty.]7

"Knowingly" means that a person acts knowingly with respect to the conduct or to circumstances surrounding the conduct when the person is aware of the nature of the conduct or that the circumstances exist. A person acts knowingly with respect to a result of the person's conduct when the person is aware that the conduct is reasonably certain to cause the result.8

The requirement of "knowingly" is also established if it is shown that the defendant acted intentionally.9

"Intentionally" means that a person acts intentionally with respect to the nature of the conduct or to a result of the conduct when it is the person's conscious objective or desire to engage in the conduct or cause the result.10
 
  • #816
I agree, but I thought they said they think she was killed during the kidnapping. I am hoping he never was able to do anything sexual to her.

kidnapping means being kept against your will/kept from leaving.. it does not have a time limit.:twocents:
 
  • #817
Sad we may not know a whole lot of the why's, we may not even know of the last hours/days of Holly's life and what occured in that time.

What we may know is this, that Zach Adams had no ounce of respect for anyone and his volitale make up is he would do anything to anyone that he thought was dissing or disrespecting him..... the history of this is all there.


Lyric, imo Zachary Adams, is a very narcissistic and sadistic psychopath who shows no remorse for the innocent victims of his past deviant crimes. Imo, and from my research, most sexual predators escalate from fantasy to reality during their adolescent years. Imo, ZA is a recidivist predator who began at a very young age and has honed his evil skills for over a decade.

~Lyric~, I think retired FBI BAU2 Roger L Depue, says it best in this excerpt from his novel; "Between Good & Evil" -

My work has given me a profound respect for what humans suffer at the hands of evil, and a particular sensitivity for what its victims endure. During every investigation that I participate in, there is always an invisible observer at my shoulder, whose presence I never forget. Regardless of the circumstances of a case, I am always giving voice to its silent victim.

What must this young girl’s final minutes have been like? Did she cry out while he was repeatedly stabbing her, or keep silent, breathing like a wounded animal, watching for the next glint of a blade?

Did her thoughts turn to her parents in those final seconds, when she was overwhelmed by the deepest loneliness she had ever known? Did she experience a dissociative response, the sense of drifting upward and watching her own death as if from above?

Or did she sink mercifully into unconsciousness, and feel nothing as her life ebbed away?

Roger Depue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
  • #818
Looking at the following accounting of only SOME of his history, maybe one of the most stunning items is at the bottom - the response of his family to all of this. Denial? Enablers? On some level, their reaction is almost criminal imo.

2004
Jordan Buie ‏@JordanBuie 2h
According to an arrest affidavit, Zach Adams shot his mother in the knee with 9mm pistol on Feb. 7 2004.2004

2004
Jordan Buie ‏@JordanBuie · 57m
“We are in fear of our lives,” said the order of protection Zach Adams' mother and step-dad filed against him in 2004.

2004
Jordan Buie ‏@JordanBuie · 57m
“He shot his mother point plank w/9mmglock," the order or protection said. A "danger to us and the community" the order said.

Katie Rufener ‏@KRufener_WREG3 37m
Zachary was also charged with threatening his stepfather with a shotgun in 2005. #HollyBobo

2005
Jordan Buie ‏@JordanBuie · 36m
In June 2005, Zach Adams threatened to shoot his grandparents Dick and Becky Adams with a shotgun, according to an affidavit

2011
Then three months after Holly Bobo disappeared in 2011, Adams was in trouble again for assaulting another young woman. Rebecca Earp claimed in court documents that Adams assaulted her "by gripping my neck and pushing me to the floor."

As she tried to get away, Adams "was threatening to shoot me so I turned back around," she said. That's when "Adams pushed me against the truck and got me on the ground and started hitting me again."

Later, as she sat on the front porch of the house that was just searched, Earp claimed, "When I didn't look at him, he would squeeze my head till I would look at him in the eyes. Then, he would punch me across the porch." She added, "Adams stated that he would shoot me just like he did his mom."

2013
released from prison - felony conviction - July 2013

2014
According to court documents, Adams caused Bray to fear for her safety "by holding a black revolver to her head and threatening to kill her."

"He also pulled a knife on her while threatening to 'gut' her.

2014
Adams' mother: "Zachary Adams is still incarcerated in the county jail with a minor assault charge and they have set his bail at $1 million." [Okay. Wait, what? "Minor"??]

"He got mixed up with drugs at an early age. It really changed his whole demeanor, but he is one of the sweetest people. I am not saying that either one of [my sons] is innocent. I am just saying that as their mother, I am going to believe my children until proven otherwise."

2014
Jordan Buie ‏@JordanBuie 21h
Zach Adams' grandfather Dick Adams said he had no comment about his grandson's indictment for the kidnapping and murder of #HollyBobo

2014
Adams said he needed to contact his grandfather to arrange to hire a lawyer
 
  • #819
we don't think she was sexually assualted because she died during the kidnapping...right?

I do think she was sexually assaulted and that was his motivation for kidnapping her in the first place.

The kidnapping would be continuous. From the time he took her against her will from her home .......then took her to another location and raped her repeatedly (IMO) and subsequently murdering her. The kidnapping would still be occurring through all of those phases.

They will not likely charge him with rape though because even if Holly is found after three years they would not have evidence of the rape due to the remains being skeletonized by now.

But yes sadly I do think she was raped and I think LE thinks so too but know they cant prove it.

IMO
 
  • #820
I am honestly very surprised by and proud of the TBI for all of this. Really didn't see it coming.

However - and I know it's a sticky subject, and you never want to jeopardize an investigation - but the one thing I guess that does bother me is that there WAS a dangerous predator on the loose in the community, and they really did nothing to let people know this at any time during the investigation. Keeping things close to the vest I can understand, and apparently it worked, but it's horrifying to think that this guy was out and about for 3 years. Even if they didn't have a person in mind, they didn't really give off the impression that there was any danger to the public, which I think is another reason many people assumed it to be domestic.

The scary part is how many more like him are out there.
 
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