OH - Spencer and Monique Tepe found shot to death at home 2 children unharmed, Columbus, 30 December 2025 *ex-husband arrested*

[Charlot123]

<modsnip> I'm sorry if he is an 'injustice collector", hopeless romantic still in love with his Ex, or just a plain psychopath, he gets not one ounce of consideration from me. We rarely, if ever, get the factual truth of why any of these killers do what they do. Millions of people involved in relationships that fail move on and continues their lives successfully.

JMO

You are right. Any prison may use a good doctor, not for the sake of MDM but for a lot of prisoners that do need better care. If it is a bad jail, people may wait for a doctor for a long time there.

For the reasons you mentioned, I think he is a mix of all three.

 

[Arkay]

Most areas do not allow convicted felons to hold a state license, unless they have had their rights restored. This is also true for non-medical jobs that require a license.

I can maybe see prison officials quizzing him about someone’s condition, tapping into his knowledge base, but I can’t imagine that he’d be able to prescribe medications. And obviously he isn’t going to be performing heart surgery.

Perhaps akin to the jailhouse lawyer types, who have some knowledge but cannot practice.

Just my speculation.

 

[acutename]

I can maybe see prison officials quizzing him about someone’s condition, tapping into his knowledge base, but I can’t imagine that he’d be able to prescribe medications. And obviously he isn’t going to be performing heart surgery.

Perhaps akin to the jailhouse lawyer types, who have some knowledge but cannot practice.

Just my speculation.

I do not see them handing him a set of scalpels. He tossed his training out with this.

 

[sunspun]

Burglary often involves theft, but it's legally distinct. Burglary is unlawful entry into a structure with the INTENT to commit ANY crime. You can be charged with burglary after breaking into a home and assaulting a person.

In fact, you don't even have to break in for it to be considered burglary. Just entering a place where you aren't supposed to be, or where you don't have permission to be, even if you just walked right in the door, without having to break in, with the Intent to commit a felony, you can be charged with burglary.

Oh and even if you leave without actually committing a felony, like if you change your mind or can't find anything to steal or anyone to murder, it can still be a burglary charge even if you walked in and back out. If they can prove you had intention to commit a felony. And you were in a place you weren't supposed to be in.

 

[nightowl1975]

Don't people normally take off a bulky watch like that before going to bed? I don't own one, but would take it off if I did. Asking folks who wear one what they do.

I wore mine 24/7, only taking it off to shower and to charge for a few hours before bed every 8-10 days. You get used to it. I traded it for an oura ring recently and still haven’t quite gotten used to not wearing it. YMMV.

 

[Charlot123]

He might never say a word, much like BK. Then we’ll never know. MOO

Sometimes people can’t explain the act, but at least can explain everything before and after it. With all serious mistakes that were made in my life, I can explain the thinking pattern, and the external advices I got, be it right or wrong. But there is one situation that I can never explain (cutting off my forelock when I was eleven). Kids do dumb things, but it was strange. I remember looking at myself in the mirror, I remember thinking of the coming-of-age-ceremony in old ages that I just read about, but the act itself was so momentously impulsive. It was not a blackout, just a flash of impulsivity and then the thought, hmm, even bangs won’t help.

So: I wonder if these guys’ acts, even with all preparations and thinking, were more or less impulsive. But one wishes that these murderers could explain what trail of thoughts and acts led them to this impulsive act.

Ted Bundy was able to explain his pattern of development (essentially, primed by pornography) shortly before the execution. (Before, he hoped to be spared, so he kept silent. One wishes he spoke before).

I suspect that dudes like BK or perhaps, MDM don’t/won’t talk because they are afraid of people thinking worse of them if we know. And then, they think, it will worsen their fate.

For example: we all suspect that MDM was stalking his ex’s social media, but I suspect the details may be more ugly.

However. In real life, perhaps, knowledge would help psychologists develop better CBT algorithms preventing people with similar obsessive tendencies from getting more destructive, be it of themselves and others. Also, I suspect that MDM’s obsessions came in waves, so it would be interesting to know what exacerbated the obsessions or, in contrary, distracted him from them.

But the problem is, these guys are lonely and unused to sharing their feelings. They could benefit from therapy, perhaps more than others, but they think they are above it. Until it is too late.

 

[Sadi]

Don't people normally take off a bulky watch like that before going to bed? I don't own one, but would take it off if I did. Asking folks who wear one what they do.

I don’t own one either, but have friends who do and they keep them on 24x7.

 

[nerosleuth]

Yes I agree, perhaps reality has not set in for MM. Maybe he is still living in a distorted fantasy running in his head. He thinks he can outsmart a judge and jury. And once he starts outlining his imagined grievances everyone will be sympathetic to him.

In that case his defense attorney likely would claim that MM is delusional or incompetent and thus ask that the trial be delayed due to competency issues concerning their client.

 

[Knitpicker]

In this photo it appears that they both wore smart watches.

So Sad. That photo had to be less than a month before the shooting. Maybe even less than a week if that was Christmas Day.

 

[iamshadow21]

Sometimes people can’t explain the act, but at least can explain everything before and after it. With all serious mistakes that were made in my life, I can explain the thinking pattern, and the external advices I got, be it right or wrong. But there is one situation that I can never explain (cutting off my forelock when I was eleven). Kids do dumb things, but it was strange. I remember looking at myself in the mirror, I remember thinking of the coming-of-age-ceremony in old ages that I just read about, but the act itself was so momentously impulsive. It was not a blackout, just a flash of impulsivity and then the thought, hmm, even bangs won’t help.

So: I wonder if these guys’ acts, even with all preparations and thinking, were more or less impulsive. But one wishes that these murderers could explain what trail of thoughts and acts led them to this impulsive act.

Ted Bundy was able to explain his pattern of development (essentially, primed by pornography) shortly before the execution. (Before, he hoped to be spared, so he kept silent. One wishes he spoke before).

I suspect that dudes like BK or perhaps, MDM don’t/won’t talk because they are afraid of people thinking worse of them if we know. And then, they think, it will worsen their fate.

For example: we all suspect that MDM was stalking his ex’s social media, but I suspect the details may be more ugly.

However. In real life, perhaps, knowledge would help psychologists develop better CBT algorithms preventing people with similar obsessive tendencies from getting more destructive, be it of themselves and others. Also, I suspect that MDM’s obsessions came in waves, so it would be interesting to know what exacerbated the obsessions or, in contrary, distracted him from them.

But the problem is, these guys are lonely and unused to sharing their feelings. They could benefit from therapy, perhaps more than others, but they think they are above it. Until it is too late.

I wouldn't take Bundy's claims about his development at face value. He was working an angle. It served him to hitch his wagon to the public antipornography movement to try and avoid execution. It didn't work.

MOO

 

[ttjo]

In that case his defense attorney likely would claim that MM is delusional or incompetent and thus ask that the trial be delayed due to competency issues concerning their client.

Is it true that he did a surgery the day before?

 

[girlhasnoname]

Hopefully they won't have him working in a prison infirmary.

I would think that the fact he had malpractice lawsuits and haven't obtained board certification in his field of medical practice would be a cause of concern.

I'm sorry @nerosleuth, I was being completely fictitious.

 

[Cassie P]

In that case his defense attorney likely would claim that MM is delusional or incompetent and thus ask that the trial be delayed due to competency issues concerning their client.

Narcissists often have grandiose fantasies that sound delusional, but they are not acute psychosis. And don't respond well to medication or therapy. Also MM cannot claim incompetence. The crime was well planned in advance.

 

[Cassie P]

I don’t own one either, but have friends who do and they keep them on 24x7.

I have younger friends who keep their watches on all night for the sleep information. And older friends who keep them on all night for the heart monitoring.

 

[Cassie P]

He strikes me as that kind of guy.

Regarding a plea deal, it would make sense for him to do that. But on the other hand, he's not going to walk away from this. His life is over in terms of ever walking free again. So why wouldn't he plead not guilty and go to trial? It's two less years he'll spend in prison. He has nothing to lose.

It is a gamble. If he loses he spends the rest of his life on death row which is housed in a jail with many "challenges" concerning the conditions there. And thinking about the possibility Ohio may decide to start executing prisoners again.

 

[maamager]

my boyfriend and i both have Oura rings, and his favorite thing to do when he wakes up in the morning is to see his sleep score and how that lines up with how he feels he slept. we both wear them 24/7 (aside from the ~30ish min charging takes every week or so). i think a smart watch/ring totally makes sense here!

 

[Charlot123]

I wouldn't take Bundy's claims about his development at face value. He was working an angle. It served him to hitch his wagon to the public antipornography movement to try and avoid execution. It didn't work.

MOO

But the whole idea, that his obsession developed much earlier and was pornography-based, makes sense.

(The fact that he hoped it might delay his execution did not. I mentioned it, too).

 

[iamshadow21]

But the whole idea, that his obsession developed much earlier and was pornography-based, makes sense.

(The fact that he hoped it might delay his execution did not. I mentioned it, too).

Except we have anecdotal stories from his family that he had very alarming behaviour by the age of three.

I think it's a mistake to play the nature-nurture debate with Bundy. I think yes, he did have a toxic home environment. But plenty have a toxic home environment and never harm anyone. Did he look at pornography? I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a male of his time period who didn't, and yet the vast, vast majority did not end up as necrophiliac, paederastic serial killers, who liked to dismember women and shampoo their hair and do their makeup as they decayed.

Bundy was wired wrong. Whether he could have lived a blameless life, we'll never know, but I strongly doubt it, and it is not as simple as cause=effect with pornography being the villain.

In my opinion, he chose pornography because it was a hot button topic at the time. He was the poster boy the antipornography people desperately wanted, the ultimate expression of the slippery slope. And Bundy knew that if he convinced enough people with enough power, they'd lobby to keep him alive so that he could evangelise for them.

With Bundy, as ever, it was always what they could do for HIM. The same reason he joined the LDS church when he was on a tear through Utah and its neighbouring states. He didn't change, he never had any intention of living the standards of the church, he just knew they were good camoflauge, and they were a good source of money and support when he inevitably got caught there.

The pornography angle was exactly the same thing. Using people to help himself avoid consequences.


MOO

 

[Charlot123]

Except we have anecdotal stories from his family that he had very alarming behaviour by the age of three.

I think it's a mistake to play the nature-nurture debate with Bundy. I think yes, he did have a toxic home environment. But plenty have a toxic home environment and never harm anyone. Did he look at pornography? I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a male of his time period who didn't, and yet the vast, vast majority did not end up as necrophiliac, paederastic serial killers, who liked to dismember women and shampoo their hair and do their makeup as they decayed.

Bundy was wired wrong. Whether he could have lived a blameless life, we'll never know, but I strongly doubt it, and it is not as simple as cause=effect with pornography being the villain.

In my opinion, he chose pornography because it was a hot button topic at the time. He was the poster boy the antipornography people desperately wanted, the ultimate expression of the slippery slope. And Bundy knew that if he convinced enough people with enough power, they'd lobby to keep him alive so that he could evangelise for them.

With Bundy, as ever, it was always what they could do for HIM. The same reason he joined the LDS church when he was on a tear through Utah and its neighbouring states. He didn't change, he never had any intention of living the standards of the church, he just knew they were good camoflauge, and they were a good source of money and support when he inevitably got caught there.

The pornography angle was exactly the same thing. Using people to help himself avoid consequences.

MOO

Agree. Wired wrong. But you know, like if you don’t become a school killer till 24, your risk drops almost to zero?

I always wonder till what age, and how, one can switch this flawed thinking to another line. So much has been studied and we still don’t know enough. Partially, because they never tell us.

Well, this guy doesn’t feel any guilt about the killings. He still may not like the fact that he orphaned the children…

About Bundy and LDS church…don’t you think that he joined LDS church because they are unusually kind and support their members?

(If my kids expressed any interest in religion I’d take them to LDS church for this very reason. But sadly, they don’t).

 

[iamshadow21]

Agree. Wired wrong. But you know, like if you don’t become a school killer till 24, your risk drops almost to zero?

I always wonder till what age, and how, one can switch this flawed thinking to another line. So much has been studied and we still don’t know enough. Partially, because they never tell us.

Well, this guy doesn’t feel any guilt about the killings. He still may not like the fact that he orphaned the children…

About Bundy and LDS church…don’t you think that he joined LDS church because they are unusually kind and support their members?

(If my kids expressed any interest in religion I’d take them to LDS church for this very reason. But sadly, they don’t).

I one hundred percent understand the LDS church. Born in, second generation. And I know how vulnerable members are to scams and conmen, because they take people at face value who turn up and say the right things and pretend to be genuine. He joined the church because it was the best camoflauge in Utah, and they turned out in force, funding his legal defence and proclaiming his innocence even though the woman he abducted was also a church member. Joining when he moved there was an investment in the best PR he could get in a state where if he got caught the jury was going to primarily be composed of active members of the church.

MOO

EDIT: I'd like to add that school shooters and serial sexual offenders aren't really comparable, yes, they both kill, but the pattern of development, behaviour and motivations are very, very different. While the risk of school shooting may decrease with age, serial sexual offenders begin with fantasies in childhood and adolescence and develop stalking and other behaviours as they age. Most commit their first homicide around the age of thirty after years of build up.