ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 4

[Tugela]

I don't understand anything about tides etc
How far out would a body have to be taken not to return?
How would he know that?
Where would he do it and not risk getting caught?
There seems to be a very short time period that is not accounted for
He seems certain she will not be found.

Things certainly don't add up here but its hard to figure out what I think given the fact that i have no idea what is true and what isn't anymore.

It's not the tide that determines if something comes ashore or not, it is the local currents and the wind/wave direction. Currents will move things about but to actually come onshore you need wave action or wind action. The sea looked pretty flat there (ie the wind was probably blowing offshore), and since it is the leeward side of the island the drift should be out to sea and then along the coast in response to the prevailing current.

 

[Tugela]

I think that the snorkeling incident was his actual plan all along. He was just going to hold her head under water, drowning her, then bring the body ashore, in grief. They went to the beach and he tried to talk her into going into the water, but she wasn't into it. He failed in his plan because he didn't understand her hair extensions. It was a variable he didn't account for. Frustrated, he drove off to a remote desert area and killed her, probably raped her first. It foiled his plan as there was now evidence of strangulation. He had to hide the body, and his story became sketchy. That's my theory.

Flaw in your theory: he had a hairpiece himself. How could he not understand them?

Why do you think that he "probably raped her" considering that there is no evidence of that while there is evidence of a more intimate relationship. What would be the point?

If he did take her "to a remote desert area and killed her", why would he say that she drowned (basically) when that would implicate him for sure if her body was subsequently found in "a remote desert area"? That makes no sense at all. If he did do what you claim in your theory, he would have said they had an argument, he left her and that was the last he saw of her. That way when the body was discovered it would be someone else that did it after he left her. When people do something wrong their cover is something that would exclude them as the prime suspect, not implicate them.

There is no question that she is out to sea in my mind and that was the last place he saw her. The only debate is what the exact circumstances were. The only other option would be that this is some sort of insurance scam and she is alive somewhere.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Flaw in your theory: he had a hairpiece himself. How could he not understand them?

Because he didn't know she had them.

From CJs (her stylist) website:

"Putting in extensions strand by strand is a tedious job, and it takes a lot of focus, she said. As a result, it takes a particular kind of person to do this work.
If the work's done right, though, the extensions should be undetectable, Jones said.
It's the most important thing,'' she said. ''That's like a stylist's trademark.''

Why do you think that he "probably raped her" considering that there is no evidence of that while there is evidence of a more intimate relationship. What would be the point?

Fulfilling a fantasy. He fits the profile of a sexual murderer. He had been drinking as well and this affected his execution of his plan. Both Robyn and Gary have huge tempers when alcohol is involved. Gary has a big control/power button and he became violent. He has photos of her and they slept in the same bed, but I suspect his fantasies were much more sadistic than what she was up for - for her it sucked.

If he did take her "to a remote desert area and killed her", why would he say that she drowned (basically) when that would implicate him for sure if her body was subsequently found in "a remote desert area"? That makes no sense at all. If he did do what you claim in your theory, he would have said they had an argument, he left her and that was the last he saw of her. That way when the body was discovered it would be someone else that did it after he left her. When people do something wrong their cover is something that would exclude them as the prime suspect, not implicate them.

If he gave the argument story, there would for sure be a search for her on land. Forensics would possibly implicate him when body found. Plus he was the last person she was seen with, so it hardly excludes him. The snorkeling story would put their attention on the water, and if he did say she cut her toe, he could put in their minds that sharks got to her. He already had the snorkeling story rehearsed, but had to modify it with no body. He thought they would buy it. Apparently they did for a little while.

There is no question that she is out to sea in my mind and that was the last place he saw her. The only debate is what the exact circumstances were. The only other option would be that this is some sort of insurance scam and she is alive somewhere.

The fact the body never washed ashore should at least create a doubt. And according to the fisherman he saw them both drive away.

Keep in mind also that in my theory he strangled her (history of choking women.) Putting her in the water is risky as it normally floats back to shore.

The insurance scam with Robyn involved is not a plausible scenario, in my opinion.

 

[neesaki]

The fact the body never washed ashore should at least create a doubt. And according to the fisherman he saw them both drive away.

Keep in mind also that in my theory he strangled her (history of choking women.) Putting her in the water is risky as it normally floats back to shore.

I agree with this, GG and Robyn left in the car and didn't return to that area together, and whatever he did to her was somewhere else. He most likely had no tools to bury her though, and how well does he know that island? I thought I read a report where this was his first trip to Aruba, but am not sure of this. Just still don't know if human trafficking isn't involved. I wonder if anyone saw him around the marina by the hotel.

Whatever he did, I think he's been thinking about doing it for a while because of the previous life insurance policies he had taken out on other women. It just took him a while to get to this point.

 

[Tugela]

If he was planning to drown her as you claim, he would have sounded out the plan to go swimming, so there is absolutely no question whatsoever that he would have known about them if it was an issue. After all, he had essentially the same thing and faced the same issues (whatever those might be). Now, I don't know much about hair extensions (my limited research shows that they either clip in or are bonded to the real hair, after which they can be treated like real hair - is that correct?), but it seems to me that unless she was planning on not washing her hair at all (unlikely) then she would have had some method to deal with them and water. In any case, what makes you think she had them on? Based on the word of some guy who wasn't even there and thought she was somewhere else?

Your argument about her being on land still doesnt hold water (excuse the pun). If he said she was lost at sea and she is found on land he is fried. Why on earth would anyone in their right mind take that risk? But if she was lost at sea and he says so, then she will be found there (if she is found) and his story is sound. And if she was lost on land then he would say that too, because if she was on land the chances are that she would be found quickly. He is not familiar enough with the island to know where to hide her so she wouldn't be found. Remember, for your theory to be correct, all of this would have to have happened in probably not more than an hour. That is kind of a tight schedule to be so unprepared and to take such a risk.

If she is on land his cover story would include that, because she would be found and his story would at least possibly be plausible.

Fit's the profile of a sexual murderer? Since when? That is wishful thinking on your part. On one hand you propose that he is doing this for financial reasons, then you throw the "sexual murderer" part in, apparently because he is allegedly involved in the swinger scene (not sure how that makes him a "sexual murderer", but it's your theory, not mine). So which is it? It can't be both.

The fisherman. Well, ok, how about this then. You say that this fisherman saw both of them drive away. Why on earth would he remember details like that? Do you remember the finer points of someone you saw in passing, of no apparent interest, a couple of days later? Who does that? Was there something particularly remarkable about them? You would think that he would be paying attention to whatever fishing he was doing, not paying close attention to the activities of all the tourists who wander by. And if he just had a vague recollection of someone being there, and then later someone driving away, what he saw could have been just about anything.

 

[neesaki]

According to witnesses, GG stared at his wrist watch and stated "she might be dead now". That sounds so strange to me. If he knew she had drowned there are no might or maybe's. If he's as drunk as they say, could he have actually been thinking out loud knowing she wasn't dead when he left her?

Maybe he put her some place where she would die slowly of oxygen deprivation, like someplace under ground.

Also, witnesses stated he was dripping with sweat. Would he be that hot and sweaty if he had just been in the water? What had he been doing and where had he been to get that hot? Maybe doing away with her in the desert?

 

[neesaki]

You say that this fisherman saw both of them drive away. Why on earth would he remember details like that? Do you remember the finer points of someone you saw in passing, of no apparent interest, a couple of days later? Who does that? Was there something particularly remarkable about them? You would think that he would be paying attention to whatever fishing he was doing, not paying close attention to the activities of all the tourists who wander by. And if he just had a vague recollection of someone being there, and then later someone driving away, what he saw could have been just about anything.

The fisherman stated his attention was drawn to them because they were driving "erratically" and in the wrong direction.

 

[neesaki]

Now, I don't know much about hair extensions (my limited research shows that they either clip in or are bonded to the real hair, after which they can be treated like real hair - is that correct?), but it seems to me that unless she was planning on not washing her hair at all (unlikely) then she would have had some method to deal with them and water. In any case, what makes you think she had them on? Based on the word of some guy who wasn't even there and thought she was somewhere else?

Her best friend (Christina) is her hairdresser and put her hair extensions on which is done w/ a special glue. She stated that salt water is not good for hair extensions.

 

[neesaki]

He is not familiar enough with the island to know where to hide her so she wouldn't be found. Remember, for your theory to be correct, all of this would have to have happened in probably not more than an hour. That is kind of a tight schedule to be so unprepared and to take such a risk.

I'm not sure how familiar he is w/ the island, have heard this was his first trip to Aruba but I'm not convinced that's the case. Or maybe they drove around "sightseeing" and he had a chance to scout out the island, perhaps guided by some previous online research . Agree there's a problem with the tight schedule. Regardless, any scenario posed quite a risk as is evident w/ where he is right now

 

[neesaki]

And as drunk as GG reportedly was, I think whatever he did couldn't have taken that much effort.

 

[neesaki]

Also, witnesses stated he was dripping with sweat. Would he be that hot and sweaty if he had just been in the water? What had he been doing and where had he been to get that hot? Maybe doing away with her in the desert?

Or, maybe meeting up w/ his human trafficking contact in the desert or in one of those deserted shacks.

 

[Dushi]

According to witnesses, GG stared at his wrist watch and stated "she might be dead now". That sounds so strange to me. If he knew she had drowned there are no might or maybe's. If he's as drunk as they say, could he have actually been thinking out loud knowing she wasn't dead when he left her?

Maybe he put her some place where she would die slowly of oxygen deprivation, like someplace under ground.

Also, witnesses stated he was dripping with sweat. Would he be that hot and sweaty if he had just been in the water? What had he been doing and where had he been to get that hot? Maybe doing away with her in the desert?

actually, he would dry quickly after leaving the water, his suit etc
And yes, he would be sweaty whether "doing away with her OR looking for her

 

[Dushi]

From what I have read, his suit was dry, his shoes were wet

How far is it from the spot he says they entered the water to the bar?

 

[annalia]

Or, maybe meeting up w/ his human trafficking contact in the desert or in one of those deserted shacks.

I didn't go back to check so I'm just going by my recollection, didn't the reports state that he was dripping with sweat at the airport, not at the beach?

 

[Dushi]

I didn't go back to check so I'm just going by my recollection, didn't the reports state that he was dripping with sweat at the airport, not at the beach?

That is very possible
It would be a more sensible comment and would draw attention
I remember someone asking about the temperature at the airport

 

[Dushi]

Taken with a grain of salt!!!



Police believe that GARY GIORDANO – the prime suspect in the disappear*ance of ROBYN GARDNER on the exotic island of Aruba – has secretly confessed to killing the blonde beauty!

An ENQUIRER investigation has discovered that cops have been told by guards at the squalid San Nicolas police station jail that Giordano was overheard moaning, weeping and banging his head and fists in his cell, while crying: “It’s all my fault!”

“Police are convinced these late-night mutterings by the murder suspect add up to a confession,” an insider revealed.


http://www.nationalenquirer.com/aruba-cops-suspect-giordano-secret-confession-gardner

 

[Dushi]

After 10 days, Gior*dano was moved to the KIA prison, where he shares a cell with two other inmates.

But before he left the San Nicolas jail, he made even more possibly incriminating comments.

“Inmates told police that Giordano asked, ‘How much of a sentence can I get if they suspect I killed her but they can’t find proof and can’t find her body?’ ” the source divulged



http://www.nationalenquirer.com/aruba-cops-suspect-giordano-secret-confession-gardner

 

[annalia]

I didn't go back to check so I'm just going by my recollection, didn't the reports state that he was dripping with sweat at the airport, not at the beach?

Quoting myself

I stand corrected. There was a report of a witness claiming that GG was sweating at the beach.

There was also a different report of him sweating at the airport.

 

[scapa]

(((Hypothesis Alert)))

I mean, they are no longer in it together because GG panicked and swam back to shore.

When I consider that fact that GG is most likely "underwater" on his home and behind on child support it makes the most sense that he would disappear himself. Problems solved. Mom gets a nice check. Perhaps she's even in on it and will send him some funds when able. She's avoided the media so far, correct?

RG just wants to get away too. Her support payments are drying up, she's lost her job. She inks GG's name as almost as a joke. Mom (who is her benficiary on her "real" life ins. policy) will get the major payout.

Only....When D-day comes Robyn is a strong swimmer (we have reports of this? yes? despite her hair extensions?) and GG...not so much.

It is much easier to tell a half truth than a full lie. GG did indeed panic and swim to shore w/o his companion. He really did look back and she was gone. Only, he might have an idea of what happened to her. He may also indeed be telling the truth that he didn't kill her. Without a body we will never know.

Soooo, that's wayyyyy out there, but until LE giives us something more to work with?

Poke some holes! :crazy:

I like this theory -- a little like Double Indemnity except they murder themselves...:innocent:

1. I agree about the half-lie. I think GG may well have looked back and seen that she was really gone.
2. I think the plan works just as well, even better maybe, if only one of them is in on it. So here's my modification:

GG's Masterplan

MOTIVE: escape swamp of debt and aggro, emerge at other end as sympathetic millionaire

1. Find and insure likely (and vulnerable) target
2. Take said target to pleasure island, ply with alcohol/prescription drugs
3. Swim in adventurous waters with target
4. Visbly come to aid of target as she begins to go under (whoops!) and perhaps nearly drown (or appear really drown) oneself
5. Grieve, wait out the insurance investigators, collect

I think the problem remains that there is no guarantee of collecting and that the incident is certain to be investigated. The same scenario on a cruise ship seems like a far surer thing. I wonder also if an established pattern of going on a trip and insuring, going on another trip and insuring, might have been more convincing if more expensive.

Given GG's history of wayward scams involving himself as an aggrieved party pursuing lost-cause cases (Costco, the HR firm) I think some version of the Plaidmom Scenario above makes more sense than a violent confrontation in which RG is sadistically assaulted and then murdered.

Although, for whatever reason, these two sorts of crimes, sexual violence and oddball scams, seem to form the two axes of GG's criminality. At any one time either could dominate or the two might even coincide, I suppose.

What other evidence do you think might turn up?

best,

s

 

[Dushi]

If he murdered Robyn, I believe it was all about money
I do not believe human trafficing, a sex crime/murder, a model contract gone bad.
All of the above are simply my opinions.

If he murdered her,money was the reason.

Its all about the insurance.. murder or insurance scam, I am still not sure
Either way, I don't think he counted on doing all of this time in Kia