ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 4

[HatesSociopaths]

Really, there is no way I can believe this woman is being truthful. She's probably not even a real ex-girlfriend.

They showed photos of them together, quite a few. He wrote her supposedly the day RG disappeared with no mention of RG. She called him and still no mention of it, only that he is dealing with something.

My opinion is she is in love with him and will lie for him. I think he may have emailed her to grease the connection, knowing she might come in handy.

AMEX should be asked if her info is true.

 

[CanManEh]

I don't quite understand the big deal weather he or she sighned those papers and I know your gonna say it sure does because that was a possible motive. But here's the thing How was he ever gonna get this money from the insurance company I mean is he gonna walk in and say hey guess what the girl i went to aruba with and sighned insurance papers with well guess what she 's dead . And then what you think there gonna just hand him a cheque Ummm No .You think there just taking his word on it and shelling over a million bucks of course not i guarantee you would need a confirmation of death and sighned by the aruban police and maybe the autopsy findings .and how is he gonna get one of those even right now if he wasn't a suspect and they believed his story it takes years for someone to be declared dead so there was no way he was ever gonna get that money reguardless if he forged her signature or not....

 

[Tugela]

His hair looks perfect also.

The video doesn't have enough resolution to say that, his hair is a blur.

 

[Tugela]

ABC is showing in today's video that a Change of Beneficiary Form was filled out again allegedly by RG on 7-27-11. So there are two forms: one in May, one in July.

Here are the two signatures for those Beneficiary Forms:

If you look at the top one the signature is in the space for the name of the person, and the name is in the signature space. Whoever did that was not paying any attention to what they were doing.

Also, with regard to you "dot" theory, pay attention to the straight line on the bottom signature. Even though it is a printed part of the form it is broken up and shows "dots" as well, indicating that what you are seeing is in fact a conbination of scanning and compression artefacts.

Neither signature spells out her name, in fact, the first one appears to be a form of the first name only. She may have multiple versions of her signature (full, partial and initials for example). To decide if one, both or neither were done by her you would need to look at multiple copies of signatures that you knew she had signed, such as other documents that are not related to GG (for example, passport etc).

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Criminal Profiler Pat Brown on what happened to Robyn Gardner - YouTube

Interesting. A couple weeks old but just found this. She has a similar theory to mine. What makes hers work better perhaps is if his taking insurance out on women he travelled with was a pattern and routine. I am still waiting for confirmation of that.

 

[annalia]

ABC would not have gotten this footage from ALE. They paid for it I bet from the owner. He may have tried to sweeten the deal with bogus footage.

The footage of GG is helpful though. It shows the earlier report by ABC of GG knocking on shutters st 6:02 was B.S. and that he does appear drunk. His hair looks perfect also.

I checked the other surveillance photo of the white Hyundai Getz that was released by authorities, to compare the time stamps. Sure enough the time stamp is off on that photo too.

Click on the photo of the surveillance video from the Hyundai in this report. The time stamp at the top says, 2:03 on August 7th. But it was supposed to be security video captured at 5:59 on August 2nd.

http://arubaherald.com/court/981-th...ossible-witness-in-missing-of-us-tourist.html

I think the top stamp may have more to do with police documentation.

 

[neesaki]

They showed photos of them together, quite a few. He wrote her supposedly the day RG disappeared with no mention of RG. She called him and still no mention of it, only that he is dealing with something.

Aha, thanks for the info. Where are these photos, would be curious to see them.

My opinion is she is in love with him and will lie for him. I think he may have emailed her to grease the connection, knowing she might come in handy.

Probably true since he's the type that is only interested in someone if they can be of use to him. I guess this particular girlfriend didn't get the deermask treatment , lol.

 

[neesaki]

Criminal Profiler Pat Brown on what happened to Robyn Gardner - YouTube

Interesting. A couple weeks old but just found this. She has a similar theory to mine. What makes hers work better perhaps is if his taking insurance out on women he travelled with was a pattern and routine. I am still waiting for confirmation of that.

I just don't know if I agree w/ Dr. Brown that there was no premeditation. Why spend the extra money for an insurance policy, especially since it's been reported he already had financial problems. If I remember correctly, in an earlier post that there was a theory that he couldn't get her into the water, and/or he went into a rage either out of jealousy or because he couldn't get her to do what he wanted or both, so he botched his premeditated plan. This makes more sense to me.

Maybe he operated with the idea that if his travel partners didn't give him what he wanted, he would then get rid of them thus the history of the life insurance policies. Maybe Robyn was the first travel companion who didn't cooperate.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

The video doesn't have enough resolution to say that, his hair is a blur.

Let's just take the fact we see he has his hair piece in. Would he not have removed that before going snorkeling?

I would love to hear input from someone with experience on this point.

 

[concentric]

Let's just take the fact we see he has his hair piece in. Would he not have removed that before going snorkeling?

I would love to hear input from someone with experience on this point.

I don't have a hairpiece, but I did make a post several weeks past on here that I'd be willing to bet that if he did go snorkeling, the salt water would seep under the toupee, turning it into a buoyancy device. Also, I think that if salt water got onto the glue, it would loosen it.

Another point for me here is that if Robyn had hair extensions glued in, and somehow she's in the ocean, wouldn't there be some sign of those detached hair extensions floating somewhere?

 

[annalia]

I'm a little fuzzy on the insurance policy.

https://www295.americanexpress.com/travel-insurance/home.do?aetiSource=G&extlink=pa-aeti-G#99

It was stated that he opted for the yearly plan at a cost of $598. But when I was looking at it, the very first option is Build-Your-Own Coverage

Clicking on that one and after going thru the steps putting in info as if I was GG and RG, and as if I was going to purchase it, it took me to a page that had the option for Accident Protection.


Clicking on coverage options under Travel Accident Protection it comes up with these numbers.

Coverage for an accident resulting in death or dismemberment while on your trip, starting from the moment you leave to the moment you arrive home.

24-HourCommon Carrier

Basic Up to $250,000 Up to $250,000 $22.00
Silver Up to $500,000 Up to $500,000 $38.00
Gold Up to $1,000,000 Up to $1,000,000 $54.00
Platinum Up to $1,500,000 Up to $1,500,000 $70.00

It says 1.5 mil is $70, only $48 more than the basic. Where did the $598 come from? Was that reported or something we deduced from looking at the AMEX site?

Or am I looking at the wrong thing? :waitasec:

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Found something online regarding hair pieces:

I wear a piece. You can swim in a hairpiece nowadays. I have even scuba-dived in mine; you just use special water-resistant glue. The only problem is that salt water shortens the life of the hair.
I wear my piece for 6-and-a-half days at a time. I take it off on Thursday night, sleep bald to give my scalp a rest, then reattach on Friday morning, good for the weekend. My impression is that most younger guys who wear a piece do something similar, although there are glues out there which would allow you to keep it on for up to a month.

http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/ajax.html?t=9699483#page:showThread,9699483

 

[HatesSociopaths]

I'm a little fuzzy on the insurance policy.

https://www295.americanexpress.com/travel-insurance/home.do?aetiSource=G&extlink=pa-aeti-G#99

It was stated that he opted for the yearly plan at a cost of $598. But when I was looking at it, the very first option is Build-Your-Own Coverage

Clicking on that one and after going thru the steps putting in info as if I was GG and RG, and as if I was going to purchase it, it took me to a page that had the option for Accident Protection.


Clicking on coverage options under Travel Accident Protection it comes up with these numbers.



It says 1.5 mil is $70, only $48 more than the basic. Where did the $598 come from? Was that reported or something we deduced from looking at the AMEX site?

Or am I looking at the wrong thing? :waitasec:

It was said he got the annual plan, which is how I got the $598 figure.

 

[concentric]

HatesSociopaths - In truth I have no idea what people with hairpieces or extensions do with them when they go snorkeling or scuba diving. I'm merely someone who had some certifications diving in various fresh/salt water conditions in different areas of the world.

I do know that salt water did some funky things to my skin (rash) and that if I ever wore a t-shirt, it would balloon up with the water trapped under it, especially: salt water.

So, I've been asking the same questions. Perhaps some brave souls who are hairpiece/snorkeling/scuba people will answer???

 

[Tugela]

Another point for me here is that if Robyn had hair extensions glued in, and somehow she's in the ocean, wouldn't there be some sign of those detached hair extensions floating somewhere?

If you do searches on extensions and swimming, there are sites promoting extensions and according to them you can do pretty much anything you would normally do, including swimming, if they have been properly bonded. That is why I don't get why everyone is so fixated on the hair extensions. Her BF was claiming she had them and consequently would never go into the water. That might have been what she told HIM (perhaps she didn't want to do those sorts of activities with him, and that was her excuse), but that is not what the people selling these things say (and you would think that they would know more about that than the BF).

 

[concentric]

There has to be a time limitation on how long those hairpiece glues will hold, especially in salt water.

 

[Dogface]

There has to be a time limitation on how long those hairpiece glues will hold, especially in salt water.

I agree, even the best glued/bonded in extensions can be pulled out, and fall out pretty easily, so I am sure the saltwater would have worked a number on them. And I wear permalashes(fake eyelashes that are individually glued on that are suppose to last several weeks) but still have to go in for touch ups because they fall out.

Also, as a fellow bleach blonde, I hate getting my hair in salt water just because its soo damaging...so she may have been more worried about damage to her real hair(which needs to be in decent shape to retain an extension), as opposed to just worrying about the extensions...especially because deep conditioning of your hair becomes an issue with glued in hair extensions(it can actually make them fall out).

Not sure what I think the likelihood of finding any of the extensions are, but its something that SHOULD be being looked for.

 

[neesaki]

I wonder if there have been reports from any witnesses that saw Robyn in the swimming pool, and if so if she got her hair wet nor not. I haven't heard of any, but if she did get her hair wet in the pool, she probably would not have minded getting it wet in the ocean.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I wonder if there have been reports from any witnesses that saw Robyn in the swimming pool, and if so if she got her hair wet nor not. I haven't heard of any, but if she did get her hair wet in the pool, she probably would not have minded getting it wet in the ocean.

Most hotels have fresh water pools, but there's a huge difference when getting your hair wet in salt water (ocean). I avoid it at all costs when I choose to go in the water on Caribbean beaches. If Robyn had hair extensions, she might have been advised to avoid salt water that can be damaging to hair.

 

[AngelFish]

I wonder if there have been reports from any witnesses that saw Robyn in the swimming pool, and if so if she got her hair wet nor not. I haven't heard of any, but if she did get her hair wet in the pool, she probably would not have minded getting it wet in the ocean.

That is an interesting thought; I've thought of it myself - where are the folks who saw them at the resort. Then I thought that...

I can't help but think that Tuesday was a perfect day; given they arrived on Sunday. It doesn't seem to be much time to interact with other vacationers.

They arrive Sunday. By the time you check in and get settled, it has to be going on close to 2-3pm, maybe later. Likely one of the first things you do is go out to dinner within a short time of being settled after a long day of travel.

Tuesday she goes missing, so that really leaves just Monday for fellow resort guests to observe their behavior.

It really is not much time for anyone to become familiar with a "norm" for her/him/them.

As far as the salt water ... at the resort they stayed, that property has it's own private Island that you reach by private boat. It's not like most resorts where your beach goers and pool patrons interact frequently though out the day; making the folks to observe them even that many fewer.

JMO of course.